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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-31 04:31:43
March 31 2017 04:31 GMT
#144681
Hmm, could've sworn I read that exact story like 4-5 days ago, yet it's dated Mar 30. Odd. Republish?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
March 31 2017 05:18 GMT
#144682
I really want to hear what Flynn has to say, I'm 99% sure he's done some illegal shit but there is a small chance he's actually done something not explicitly illegal and is just trying to cover his ass
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 31 2017 05:22 GMT
#144683
I don't find anything explicitly suspicious about wanting immunity to testify. Pretty normal thing to want. I'd seek immunity too in his shoes.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
March 31 2017 06:02 GMT
#144684
Can they not make the immunity contingent on him taking down someone higher than him? We're only giving you immunity if you've got shit on the drug kingpin.


As a Minnesotan this gives me hope. Other American's, call your state legislators, try and protect your shit because its very obvious the Federal Republicans will never do anything to safeguard you! Seriously, start calling, get this passed in your states people.

In a surprise move, the Minnesota Senate on Wednesday voted to bar internet service providers from selling their users’ personal data without express written consent.

The move was a reaction to a Tuesday vote in Congress to lift a ban on that practice imposed in 2016 by the Federal Communication Commission.

Sen. Ron Latz, DFL-St. Louis Park, offered the amendment onto the Senate’s economic development budget bill, saying it was urgently needed to protect Minnesotans’ privacy after the congressional vote.


www.twincities.com
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23488 Posts
March 31 2017 06:47 GMT
#144685
On March 31 2017 15:02 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Can they not make the immunity contingent on him taking down someone higher than him? We're only giving you immunity if you've got shit on the drug kingpin.


As a Minnesotan this gives me hope. Other American's, call your state legislators, try and protect your shit because its very obvious the Federal Republicans will never do anything to safeguard you! Seriously, start calling, get this passed in your states people.

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In a surprise move, the Minnesota Senate on Wednesday voted to bar internet service providers from selling their users’ personal data without express written consent.

The move was a reaction to a Tuesday vote in Congress to lift a ban on that practice imposed in 2016 by the Federal Communication Commission.

Sen. Ron Latz, DFL-St. Louis Park, offered the amendment onto the Senate’s economic development budget bill, saying it was urgently needed to protect Minnesotans’ privacy after the congressional vote.


www.twincities.com


They already have him quoted as talking about how wanting immunity means you did something wrong. And no they don't and likely wouldn't just like all the immunity passed around to Hillary folks didn't mean they were getting anything of value for giving them immunity.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 31 2017 07:03 GMT
#144686
On March 31 2017 11:58 Ghostcom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2017 11:54 xDaunt wrote:
On March 31 2017 11:25 Danglars wrote:
On March 31 2017 11:11 LegalLord wrote:
European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker hit back atDonald Trump’s support for the U.K.’s withdrawal from the European Union, joking that he would champion American states that wanted to secede from the union.

“The newly elected U.S. president was happy thatBrexit was taking place and was asking other countries to do the same,” Juncker told delegates from his pan-EU Christian Democrat group in Malta. “If he goes on like that, I’m going to promote the independence of Ohio and Austin, Texas, in the United States.”

More from Bloomberg.com: Wealthy Trump Donors Rush to Back Him With a Media Blitz

Behind the humor, there’s real anger among EU chiefs that President Trump has stoked the Brexit fire and, with it, egged on other countries to follow the U.K.’s lead.
Leaders from the European People’s Party, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel and EU President Tusk, were meeting a day after Prime Minister Theresa May officially notified the bloc that Britain is withdrawing, starting two years of negotiations.

Source

Double down, Trumpman, double down. It's a double win.

Nobody told me Juncker was trying to out-clown Trump. He's firing back about Brexit by threatening American secessions? Ohio and Austin are absolutely going to love this European's support rofl.

I thought it was fucking hilarious that he listed Ohio as one of the states that would secede.


I kinda hope it was to send a message that talks of further EU splintering is as ridiculous as talks of Ohio seceding. But it is Juncker, so who knows?


preeeeetty sure he's just joking around since he does that kind of thing a lot in interviews. And made me laugh tbh
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7917 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-31 09:27:11
March 31 2017 09:11 GMT
#144687
On March 31 2017 11:54 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2017 11:25 Danglars wrote:
On March 31 2017 11:11 LegalLord wrote:
European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker hit back atDonald Trump’s support for the U.K.’s withdrawal from the European Union, joking that he would champion American states that wanted to secede from the union.

“The newly elected U.S. president was happy thatBrexit was taking place and was asking other countries to do the same,” Juncker told delegates from his pan-EU Christian Democrat group in Malta. “If he goes on like that, I’m going to promote the independence of Ohio and Austin, Texas, in the United States.”

More from Bloomberg.com: Wealthy Trump Donors Rush to Back Him With a Media Blitz

Behind the humor, there’s real anger among EU chiefs that President Trump has stoked the Brexit fire and, with it, egged on other countries to follow the U.K.’s lead.
Leaders from the European People’s Party, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel and EU President Tusk, were meeting a day after Prime Minister Theresa May officially notified the bloc that Britain is withdrawing, starting two years of negotiations.

Source

Double down, Trumpman, double down. It's a double win.

Nobody told me Juncker was trying to out-clown Trump. He's firing back about Brexit by threatening American secessions? Ohio and Austin are absolutely going to love this European's support rofl.

I thought it was fucking hilarious that he listed Ohio as one of the states that would secede.

You guys have an understanding problem.

He's basically saying that the POTUS supporting Brexit is like himself supporting the desintegration of the US: a supremely unfriendly gesture that damages a key alliance. Even the article noted that "supporting the secession of Texas or Ohio" was tongue and cheek. I know Trump is stupid as hell and says ridiculous things, and that it would be less embarassing for you to have put a clown like that in office if everyone was as retarded, but that's not the case.

You guys are so eager to find stuff that fits your narrative (like EU official being dummies so that you are not the only ones here to have gone for the full retard option) that it makes you really a bit thick sometimes. Sorry to say.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4358 Posts
March 31 2017 09:37 GMT
#144688
Of course Juncker and the other Eurocrats hate Trump for promoting Brexit.
The EU breaks up they're out of their cushy 200,000 Euro yearly salaries.
Around 10,000 EU officials earn more than the UK Prime Minister.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
March 31 2017 09:45 GMT
#144689
I think it was in this thread or the EU one where the same guy supported brexit but insisted that a secession of a state is absolutely unthinkable, wasn't it? I think Trump fairly deserves some heat from EU for encouraging its disruption and the humorous form is appropriate - it might become the only appropriate reaction to any Trump's attempt on international politics: just let him say things, make fun of them and don't let them cloud your relationship with the US in the long term (assuming a sane president will follow eventually).
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7917 Posts
March 31 2017 11:46 GMT
#144690
On March 31 2017 18:37 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Of course Juncker and the other Eurocrats hate Trump for promoting Brexit.
The EU breaks up they're out of their cushy 200,000 Euro yearly salaries.
Around 10,000 EU officials earn more than the UK Prime Minister.

EU is all about the salary of its top officials. That's all that is at stake and that's clearly all people in charge care about.

Any other enlightening contribution of yours?
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 31 2017 12:52 GMT
#144691
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39435786

The BBC has learned that US officials "verified" a key claim in a report about Kremlin involvement in Donald Trump's election - that a Russian diplomat in Washington was in fact a spy.
So far, no single piece of evidence has been made public proving that the Trump campaign joined with Russia to steal the US presidency - nothing.
But the FBI Director, James Comey, told a hushed committee room in Congress last week that this is precisely what his agents are investigating.
Life?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
March 31 2017 13:06 GMT
#144692
On March 31 2017 21:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39435786

Show nested quote +
The BBC has learned that US officials "verified" a key claim in a report about Kremlin involvement in Donald Trump's election - that a Russian diplomat in Washington was in fact a spy.
So far, no single piece of evidence has been made public proving that the Trump campaign joined with Russia to steal the US presidency - nothing.
But the FBI Director, James Comey, told a hushed committee room in Congress last week that this is precisely what his agents are investigating.


If only I had a nickel for every time someone posts an article I already posted .
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1884 Posts
March 31 2017 13:06 GMT
#144693
Does anybody still think the whole Russian investigation is just a big waste of time? Sounds like every day we're one step closer to getting a smoking gun.

I'm gonna take some sick pleasure in watching some posters here eat their crow if (when?) it happens.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
March 31 2017 13:08 GMT
#144694
Former National Security Adviser Mike Flynn, who is in discussions with lawmakers to receive immunity in exchange for questioning about potential ties between Russia and officials in President Trump’s campaign, once said being “given immunity” mean “you probably committed a crime."

The Washington Post reported Flynn made the comments during an interview on “Meet the Press” in Sept. 2016. He was asked at the time about Hillary Clinton’s aides being granted immunity during the FBI probe into her private email server.


Fox News
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 31 2017 13:21 GMT
#144695
On March 31 2017 22:06 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2017 21:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39435786

The BBC has learned that US officials "verified" a key claim in a report about Kremlin involvement in Donald Trump's election - that a Russian diplomat in Washington was in fact a spy.
So far, no single piece of evidence has been made public proving that the Trump campaign joined with Russia to steal the US presidency - nothing.
But the FBI Director, James Comey, told a hushed committee room in Congress last week that this is precisely what his agents are investigating.


If only I had a nickel for every time someone posts an article I already posted .


Did you? Didn't notice.
Life?
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
March 31 2017 13:24 GMT
#144696
On March 31 2017 22:06 LightSpectra wrote:
Does anybody still think the whole Russian investigation is just a big waste of time? Sounds like every day we're one step closer to getting a smoking gun.

I'm gonna take some sick pleasure in watching some posters here eat their crow if (when?) it happens.

I think I'm about to have a big meal of well-done LightSpectra.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 31 2017 13:27 GMT
#144697
President Trump escalated a Twitter war with lawmakers in his own party on Thursday evening, calling out three members of the Freedom Caucus by name.

"If @RepMarkMeadows, @Jim_Jordan and @Raul_Labrador would get on board we would have both great healthcare and massive tax cuts & reform," he tweeted.

The attack follows an earlier 140-character missive aimed at both the Freedom Caucus and Democrats. It's a curious tactic, given that Trump's only two options to pass his agenda through Congress are to either unite the fractured GOP or to form new alliances across the aisle.

"The Freedom Caucus will hurt the entire Republican agenda if they don't get on the team, & fast. We must fight them, & Dems, in 2018!" Trump tweeted on Thursday morning.

It did not change hearts or minds.

"Freedom Caucus stood with u when others ran. Remember who your real friends are. We're trying to help u succeed," replied Rep. Raúl Labrador, R-Idaho, a member of the group of conservatives who helped take down the GOP health care bill.

The public and personal feuding among Republicans percolated throughout the U.S. Capitol this week as GOP confidence in their party's ability to govern alongside the Trump administration is shaken.

"It's clear that tensions are running high," said Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas. "I believe we can come together, and the only way for us to govern and deliver on our promises is for Republicans not to turn the cannons on each other, but stand united behind shared principles, and that's what I hope all of us do."

The White House has provoked congressional Republicans further in recent days by suggesting he'll just go around them and cut deals with Democrats instead.

House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., tried to head off any potential alliance, telling CBS: "I don't want that to happen." Ryan's reasoning — correctly — is that if the president needs Democrats to pass major legislation, it will be a lot less conservative than anything the speaker hopes to enact in the next two years.

Ryan was more conciliatory toward the president than Labrador.

"This is a can-do president, who's a business guy, who wants to get things done, and I know that he wants to get things done with a Republican Congress," Ryan told CBS. "But if this Republican Congress allows the perfect to be the enemy of the good, I worry we'll push the president into working with the Democrats. He's suggested as much."

Across the Capitol, Ryan's argument did not impress at least one prominent fellow Republican. Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker, R-Tenn. called out Ryan, again on Twitter: "We have come a long way in our country when the speaker of one party urges a president NOT to work with the other party to solve a problem."

House Republicans' health care failure has left Senate Republicans wondering if they need to shoulder more of the legislative burden. In that event, Democrats will be integral to the process because of the 60-vote hurdle to do most of the legislating in the Senate.

For their part, Democrats say they are ready — if not exactly excited — to work with the president. "We say, 'any time, anywhere,' " House Minority Leader Pelosi, D-Calif., told reporters on Thursday. "We never stand in the way of anyone meeting with a Democratic or a Republican president."

Rep. Jim Himes, D-Conn., chairs the New Democrat Coalition, a faction of about four dozen business-friendly Democrats that, in theory, stand ready to work with the president on certain agenda items, like infrastructure spending. But Himes hasn't heard from the president. "No, the White House has not reached out," he said. "We're totally willing to engage in that, provided that it's consistent with our values."

Himes also said the burden to extend the olive branch rests on the other side of the aisle. "Look, these guys run the show now. They've got the Oval Office, they've got the Senate and the House. If they're interesting in having our support, it's kind of on them to come to us."

At least in the short term, Republicans have decided they need to work with Democrats to keep the government open. The federal government faces a shutdown on April 28 unless Congress enacts another stopgap spending bill or passes the remaining annual spending bills.

Seeking to head off another shutdown fight, GOP leaders and the appropriations committees are working behind the scenes on a bill to enact the remaining 11 spending bills at previously agreed to spending levels that conservatives opposed in the past. They are also looking to separate out the president's funding request to start building a U.S.-Mexico border wall, and the speaker has indicated Republicans will not add in "poison pill" policy riders on things like defunding Planned Parenthood.

All of those concessions are intended to bring Democrats on board to make sure Congress can pass the legislation. The end result is a less conservative vision of how Congress should spend the nation's money. If it works, it might also provide a framework for how this Congress will work going forward.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43258 Posts
March 31 2017 14:20 GMT
#144698
On March 31 2017 11:54 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2017 11:25 Danglars wrote:
On March 31 2017 11:11 LegalLord wrote:
European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker hit back atDonald Trump’s support for the U.K.’s withdrawal from the European Union, joking that he would champion American states that wanted to secede from the union.

“The newly elected U.S. president was happy thatBrexit was taking place and was asking other countries to do the same,” Juncker told delegates from his pan-EU Christian Democrat group in Malta. “If he goes on like that, I’m going to promote the independence of Ohio and Austin, Texas, in the United States.”

More from Bloomberg.com: Wealthy Trump Donors Rush to Back Him With a Media Blitz

Behind the humor, there’s real anger among EU chiefs that President Trump has stoked the Brexit fire and, with it, egged on other countries to follow the U.K.’s lead.
Leaders from the European People’s Party, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel and EU President Tusk, were meeting a day after Prime Minister Theresa May officially notified the bloc that Britain is withdrawing, starting two years of negotiations.

Source

Double down, Trumpman, double down. It's a double win.

Nobody told me Juncker was trying to out-clown Trump. He's firing back about Brexit by threatening American secessions? Ohio and Austin are absolutely going to love this European's support rofl.

I thought it was fucking hilarious that he listed Ohio as one of the states that would secede.

It was fairly obviously a joke.
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LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1884 Posts
March 31 2017 14:47 GMT
#144699
'Verified' Is Now a Derogatory Term on Twitter

Since 2009, Twitter has added a blue checkmark symbol to certain accounts that have been deemed "verified," which means "that an account of public interest is authentic," according to Twitter. For some, the verified distinction is coveted. For others, it's become a dirty word. "Verifieds" or "blue checks" are the elite, the establishment. Since many members of the media are verified, they have also become associated, for some, with the perceived liberal bias of the fourth estate. Conservatives, alt-righters, and Donald Trump fans have noticed that when Trump tweets, there is invariably a flood of "blue check liberals" responding in a negative way. There is also the perception that Twitter, a California company, is biased toward liberals.


Source
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 31 2017 14:57 GMT
#144700
President Donald Trump shouldn’t talk about whether former national security adviser Michael Flynn should be granted immunity, a top House Republican advised Friday.

The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday evening that Flynn has informed the FBI and House and Senate Intelligence Committees – which are investigating Russia’s alleged meddling in the U.S. presidential election – that he will agree to be interviewed if granted immunity from prosecution. Flynn was asked to resign last month after misleading Vice President Mike Pence and others about his conversations with the Russian ambassador to the U.S. during the transition.

Trump tweeted Friday morning that “Flynn should ask for immunity in that this is a witch hunt (excuse for big election loss), by media & Dems, of historic proportion!”

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) told Fox News he disagrees with the president’s characterization of the Russia investigation, as well as the commander in chief’s decision to comment on it.

“No, I don’t think it’s a witch hunt,” Chaffetz said. “Look, it’s very mysterious to me, though, why all of a sudden General Flynn is suddenly out there saying he wants immunity. A, I don’t think Congress should give him immunity. If there’s an open investigation by the FBI, that should not happen. I also don’t believe that actually that the president should be weighing in on this. They’re the ones that actually would prosecute something.”

Chaffetz suggested he was being just as critical of Trump as he was of former President Barack Obama, specifically, he said, when Obama commented on the IRS targeting scandal before he had all the facts.

“And I don’t think Donald Trump should be weighing in on this at this point,” he said. “But I don’t think there should be given immunity, either. I mean, immunity from what? We don’t know what that is.”

Flynn’s past comments about immunity resurfaced soon after the Wall Street Journal report. The former Trump campaign adviser said in a September “Meet the Press” interview with host Chuck Todd, “When you are given immunity, that means you have probably committed a crime.”

Asked if Flynn’s request for immunity indicated that he may be guilty of something, Chaffetz conceded that “it doesn’t look good.”

“If all of a sudden you have somebody stand up and say, ‘Hey, I need immunity,’ you know, it kinda raises your eyebrows,” he said. “Even General Flynn back in the day said and used that same thing against Hillary Clinton. So, you know, it comes around to bite you, and I just think they need to get to the facts.”

“There are some swirling things that need to be answered,” he added.


Source
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