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{CC}StealthBlue
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Nevuk
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LightSpectra
United States3526 Posts
Just fire Spicer and replace him with al-Sahhaf. C'mon. You know you want to. | ||
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LegalLord
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
He brings the rhetoric on illegality back to the real world. There aren't a lot of avenues here. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On March 29 2017 03:00 Danglars wrote: https://youtu.be/Pjo16QamjIc He brings the rhetoric on illegality back to the real world. There aren't a lot of avenues here. I've never thought there would be much there, there, but all they have to do is get Trump to testify under oath and getting him to perjure himself would be like taking candy from a baby with no appendages. On March 29 2017 03:09 xDaunt wrote: Hey, you have to admire the tenacity of the left in light of its perpetual failure to create a real scandal. And we all know Republicans take perjuring oneself very seriously, even if it's about a non-scandal  | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 29 2017 03:00 Danglars wrote: https://youtu.be/Pjo16QamjIc He brings the rhetoric on illegality back to the real world. There aren't a lot of avenues here. Hey, you have to admire the tenacity of the left in light of its perpetual failure to create a real scandal. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On March 29 2017 03:09 xDaunt wrote: Hey, you have to admire the tenacity of the left in light of its perpetual failure to create a real scandal. Does the left even need to do anything? Trump and his administration seem to be doing the work themselves at making everything they do ineffective. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On March 29 2017 03:12 Slaughter wrote: Does the left even need to do anything? Trump and his administration seem to be doing the work themselves at making everything they do ineffective. They don't - but they perhaps legitimize Trump to some degree by making themselves look like fools too. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3526 Posts
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KwarK
United States44440 Posts
On March 29 2017 03:09 xDaunt wrote: Hey, you have to admire the tenacity of the left in light of its perpetual failure to create a real scandal. .... birtherism .... emailghazi .... benghazi .... pizzaghazi .... cashghazi .... | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On March 29 2017 03:18 LightSpectra wrote: What's "the left"? Are we talking about the left from a global perspective, in which case there's not many of those visible in the media spotlight to even try to kindle a scandal to begin with. Or are we talking like "left of Donald Trump," which is essentially every American who's ever lived except for Murray Rothbard and Nathan Bedford Forrest. Trump is not particularly right-wing, honestly. Being far-right and being a buffoon are not the same thing. And Trump is a more politically moderate buffoon. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 29 2017 03:19 KwarK wrote: .... birtherism .... emailghazi .... benghazi .... pizzaghazi .... cashghazi .... email and ben both did some serious work though. They tossed everything they had, just like we did, but their stuff was done a lot better. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10989 Posts
Calling trump "not really right wing", is a joke. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On March 29 2017 03:09 xDaunt wrote: Hey, you have to admire the tenacity of the left in light of its perpetual failure to create a real scandal. Let an independent investigation finish without interference and we can stop. Instead they keep fanning the smoke up by stumbling around trying to stop the investigation. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On March 29 2017 03:00 Danglars wrote: https://youtu.be/Pjo16QamjIc He brings the rhetoric on illegality back to the real world. There aren't a lot of avenues here. This a good piece on why just pure illegality is not the problem https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/the-critical-questions-on-russia/2017/03/26/0be96e7c-10ae-11e7-9b0d-d27c98455440_story.html?tid=ss_tw Just like Deripaska’s payments to Manafort, the “disproportionate” Russian investments in Trump’s businesses, which Trump still owns, weren’t bribes. They didn’t involve the KGB, and they probably didn’t include any secret payments either. The question now is whether our political system is capable of grappling with this particular form of modern Russian corruption at all. Congress cannot simply ask the question “was this all legal,” because it probably was. Congress, or an independent investigator, needs to find a way to ask, “was this moral,” because it surely wasn’t, and “does it constitute undue influence,” which it surely does. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3526 Posts
On March 29 2017 03:21 LegalLord wrote: Trump is not particularly right-wing, honestly. Being far-right and being a buffoon are not the same thing. And Trump is a more politically moderate buffoon. Depends on how you want to define the far-right really. I would say his selective xenophobic ethno-nationalism and isolationism fits exactly where Le Pen, Wilders, Petry, and Salvini are, and there's little hesitation (except among their supporters) to call them all far-right. If you mean far-right on an economic scale, then no, he's not a full anarcho-capitalist. Just a nepotist out for his own ego and pocket. However the policies that he does endorse are social Darwinist and corporatist, which are often considered to be far-right for social reasons instead of economic. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On March 29 2017 03:39 LightSpectra wrote: Depends on how you want to define the far-right really. I would say his selective xenophobic ethno-nationalism and isolationism fits exactly where Le Pen, Wilders, Petry, and Salvini are, and there's little hesitation (except among their supporters) to call them all far-right. If you mean far-right on an economic scale, then no, he's not a full anarcho-capitalist. Just a nepotist out for his own ego and pocket. However the policies that he does endorse are social Darwinist and corporatist, which are often considered to be far-right for social reasons instead of economic. A hardline on immigration is not particularly outside the Republican norm. It's outside the European norm so Euros will scream and foam at the mouth, but it's standard right wing fare here. He's said stuff supporting Planned Parenthood and the like in the past, even if he has toned it down for his own benefit. He isn't far-right by American standards, really. Just bumbling and incompetent. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On March 29 2017 03:38 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: This a good piece on why just pure illegality is not the problem https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/the-critical-questions-on-russia/2017/03/26/0be96e7c-10ae-11e7-9b0d-d27c98455440_story.html?tid=ss_tw Sounds very similar to the Clinton accusations of corruption. I'm personally inclined to agree that these are grave accusations, but the legal system and most of the people in this thread seem to be willing to dismiss those types of accusations quite easily. It's unfortunate, really. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On March 29 2017 03:43 a_flayer wrote: Sounds very similar to the Clinton accusations of corruption. I'm personally inclined to agree that these are grave accusations, but the legal system and most of the people in this thread seem to be willing to dismiss those types of accusations quite easily. It's unfortunate, really. I think what most people keep skimming over is the fact that Trump's team and associates keep lying about this stuff. I'm sure if it actually is all innocuous, and all the involved people said "yes, I met with X on this date" it would blow over and be reduced the same marginal conspiracy theories. But they didn't, and now other parties are forced to investigate deeper to see if there's anything else they lied about. | ||
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