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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 24 2017 18:11 GMT
#139221
I'm not willing to put it past them. There are a bunch of them that want to defund the ACA and watch it all burn. Ending NAFTA without other trade deals worked out would do some real damage to a bunch of state economies, so I'm not sure it would happen.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21655 Posts
February 24 2017 18:17 GMT
#139222
On February 25 2017 03:08 TheYango wrote:
Trump and the congressional Republicans have already demonstrated their willingness to employ the "break things before we actually have plans to implement a replacement" approach to building government systems though.

A minority does. The fact that the ACA has not yet been repealed gives the hope that logic will prevail
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 24 2017 18:18 GMT
#139223
Their options for the ACA are limited at best. Nothing is getting through the Senate for a while.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
February 24 2017 18:25 GMT
#139224
On February 25 2017 03:17 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2017 03:08 TheYango wrote:
Trump and the congressional Republicans have already demonstrated their willingness to employ the "break things before we actually have plans to implement a replacement" approach to building government systems though.

A minority does. The fact that the ACA has not yet been repealed gives the hope that logic will prevail

Hasn't Mitch McConnell gone from constantly parroting "repeal and replace" to now advocating for a "keep and fix" approach to the ACA?
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9617 Posts
February 24 2017 18:27 GMT
#139225
On February 25 2017 01:55 a_flayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2017 01:53 LegalLord wrote:
Dunno why those flags would be taken away, looks pretty flattering to me.

Can you hear the Motherland calling you?

this post and the trump flags have made my day. both top quality trolling.

that those people don't know it's the russian flag is hilarious. sad, but hilarious. we have the best voters.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 24 2017 18:30 GMT
#139226
I love that they didn’t notice it was the Russian flag or think it was weird.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
February 24 2017 18:33 GMT
#139227
On February 25 2017 03:30 Plansix wrote:
I love that they didn’t notice it was the Russian flag or think it was weird.

I can't tell if the trolls were both the audience and the people handing out the flags or just the latter. It's pretty funny.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 24 2017 18:35 GMT
#139228
That is the magic of the entire thing. No matter reality to subscribe to, it is all hilarious.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-24 18:44:58
February 24 2017 18:44 GMT
#139229
On February 25 2017 03:25 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2017 03:17 Gorsameth wrote:
On February 25 2017 03:08 TheYango wrote:
Trump and the congressional Republicans have already demonstrated their willingness to employ the "break things before we actually have plans to implement a replacement" approach to building government systems though.

A minority does. The fact that the ACA has not yet been repealed gives the hope that logic will prevail

Hasn't Mitch McConnell gone from constantly parroting "repeal and replace" to now advocating for a "keep and fix" approach to the ACA?


The entire Republican approach to the ACA has dissolved into the ether, it's totally unclear what they're going to do (Trump's statements on it, even though his own plan didn't actually exist despite his saying it was nearly done, fucked them over severely). Which is why they keep getting BBQ'd at town halls.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 24 2017 18:51 GMT
#139230
I am liking today's news reports on how relying on anonymous sources is what Trump did and how it was bad. Hmm so relying on unnamed sources can spin false narratives and conspiracies, you don't say??
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 24 2017 18:57 GMT
#139231
Unnamed sources have been the cornerstone of journalism since the start of the profession. It is nothing new. If they named sources, those sources would not release information.

The reason people like Trump want the sources named is so he can use the power of the office to go after them and silence them. And future potential leaks. Journalist have gone to jail numerous times to protect a source. Trump’s team is just to chicken shit to go that route, so he whines instead.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 24 2017 19:05 GMT
#139232
The Mexican government made clear to visiting US emissaries that it will not accept deportees from third countries under any circumstances, the interior secretary said on Friday.

Miguel Angel Osorio Chong said in an interview with Radio Formula that the US secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, and the homeland security secretary, John Kelly, asked Mexican officials during their Thursday visit if they would host deportees from other countries while their immigration cases are processed in the US.

“They can’t leave them here on the border because we have to reject them. There is no chance they would be received by Mexico,” he said.

“They asked us that while their legal process is happening there if they could be here,” Osorio Chong said. “And we told them that there’s no way we can have them here during that process.”

The visit by the US secretaries came at a tense moment in US-Mexico relations. Donald Trump has carried his tough campaign talk about immigrants and factory jobs that moved to Mexico into the White House, ordering the building of a border wall, stepped-up deportations and a renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement.

A memo published by the Department of Homeland Security earlier this week suggested that US immigration officials could deport immigrants in the country illegally to the contiguous country they had entered from, which in the vast majority of cases would be Mexico. Most of the immigrants crossing the US-Mexico border in recent years have been Central Americans.

Osorio Chong also said on Friday that if the US government tries to pressure Mexico by threatening to withdraw funding from the nearly $2.5bn Mérida Initiative to fight organized crime, Mexico will let that money go.

The initiative that was started in 2008 is winding down with most remaining funding going to Mexican states implementing reforms to the justice system, Osorio Chong said. In its early years, Mérida outfitted Mexico’s military with helicopters and trained its security forces.

“If that resource could be an issue for pressure or if they want to pressure the government, honestly, we have no problem, none, if they withdraw it,” he said.

The US embassy in Mexico City did not immediately respond to a request for comment.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
February 24 2017 19:11 GMT
#139233
On February 25 2017 03:51 Danglars wrote:
I am liking today's news reports on how relying on anonymous sources is what Trump did and how it was bad. Hmm so relying on unnamed sources can spin false narratives and conspiracies, you don't say??

Downside of entering the Tyson Zone is that any story about you is believable.

And while they may not be true, the fact that a person does not have the credibility to instantly dispel dumb stories is bad enough.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 24 2017 19:11 GMT
#139234
A Senate Intelligence Committee investigation of Russia’s effort to influence last year’s U.S. election is shaping up as an unexpectedly bipartisan effort that could take months to complete as it explores the most significant controversy shadowing the new Trump administration.

The investigation, which will involve scouring highly classified material, is still in its early stages, but Republicans are so far joining Democrats on the panel in pledging to conduct it in a serious manner.

The committee will examine the extent of contacts that President Donald Trump’s associates had with Russian officials before and after the Nov. 8 vote. In particular, it plans to look into conversations that Michael Flynn, who was ousted last week as Trump’s national security adviser, had with the Russian ambassador during the presidential transition.

Negotiations are under way with spy agencies including the CIA over how much access committee aides will get to highly classified material, according to U.S. intelligence officials. It’s not unusual for the agencies and committees to work out approval for aides to review material that’s classified beyond their normal security clearance levels, as well as what material they can have access to.

Senate Republicans don’t want to be seen engaging in a cover-up -- especially if leaks about additional contacts between Russians and people in Trump’s orbit continue to trickle out. But they also don’t want investigations to mushroom the way GOP efforts to probe the Benghazi attacks did during the Obama administration.

Source

Longer than average article describing the logistics of it all. If this is the focus of the next year or so then we will probably have significantly fewer laws being passed. And I guess deadlock is better than the alternative?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 24 2017 19:14 GMT
#139235
On February 25 2017 04:11 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
A Senate Intelligence Committee investigation of Russia’s effort to influence last year’s U.S. election is shaping up as an unexpectedly bipartisan effort that could take months to complete as it explores the most significant controversy shadowing the new Trump administration.

The investigation, which will involve scouring highly classified material, is still in its early stages, but Republicans are so far joining Democrats on the panel in pledging to conduct it in a serious manner.

The committee will examine the extent of contacts that President Donald Trump’s associates had with Russian officials before and after the Nov. 8 vote. In particular, it plans to look into conversations that Michael Flynn, who was ousted last week as Trump’s national security adviser, had with the Russian ambassador during the presidential transition.

Negotiations are under way with spy agencies including the CIA over how much access committee aides will get to highly classified material, according to U.S. intelligence officials. It’s not unusual for the agencies and committees to work out approval for aides to review material that’s classified beyond their normal security clearance levels, as well as what material they can have access to.

Senate Republicans don’t want to be seen engaging in a cover-up -- especially if leaks about additional contacts between Russians and people in Trump’s orbit continue to trickle out. But they also don’t want investigations to mushroom the way GOP efforts to probe the Benghazi attacks did during the Obama administration.

Source

Longer than average article describing the logistics of it all. If this is the focus of the next year or so then we will probably have significantly fewer laws being passed. And I guess deadlock is better than the alternative?


How unfortunate that the Benghazi probes mushroomed, that must have been so unintentional LOL.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 24 2017 19:16 GMT
#139236
On February 25 2017 04:14 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2017 04:11 LegalLord wrote:
A Senate Intelligence Committee investigation of Russia’s effort to influence last year’s U.S. election is shaping up as an unexpectedly bipartisan effort that could take months to complete as it explores the most significant controversy shadowing the new Trump administration.

The investigation, which will involve scouring highly classified material, is still in its early stages, but Republicans are so far joining Democrats on the panel in pledging to conduct it in a serious manner.

The committee will examine the extent of contacts that President Donald Trump’s associates had with Russian officials before and after the Nov. 8 vote. In particular, it plans to look into conversations that Michael Flynn, who was ousted last week as Trump’s national security adviser, had with the Russian ambassador during the presidential transition.

Negotiations are under way with spy agencies including the CIA over how much access committee aides will get to highly classified material, according to U.S. intelligence officials. It’s not unusual for the agencies and committees to work out approval for aides to review material that’s classified beyond their normal security clearance levels, as well as what material they can have access to.

Senate Republicans don’t want to be seen engaging in a cover-up -- especially if leaks about additional contacts between Russians and people in Trump’s orbit continue to trickle out. But they also don’t want investigations to mushroom the way GOP efforts to probe the Benghazi attacks did during the Obama administration.

Source

Longer than average article describing the logistics of it all. If this is the focus of the next year or so then we will probably have significantly fewer laws being passed. And I guess deadlock is better than the alternative?


How unfortunate that the Benghazi probes mushroomed, that must have been so unintentional LOL.

The aftermath of the Trump victory is in large part a giant illustration of the phrase "you reap what you sow."
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 24 2017 19:24 GMT
#139237
Pro-Kremlin politicians warn Trump could unleash new arms race

U.S. President Donald Trump pauses at the Dr. Ben Carson exhibit at the National Museum of African American History and Culture in Washington, U.S., February 21, 2017. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst
Russian politicians close to the Kremlin said on Friday U.S. President Donald Trump's declared aim of putting the U.S. nuclear arsenal "at the top of the pack" risked triggering a new Cold War-style arms race between Washington and Moscow.

In an interview with Reuters, Trump said the United States had fallen behind in its nuclear weapons capacity, a situation he said he would reverse, and he said a treaty limiting Russian and U.S. nuclear arsenals was a bad deal for Washington.

Russian officials issued no reaction, with Friday a public holiday, but pro-Kremlin politicians expressed consternation about the comments from Trump, who Moscow had hoped would usher in new, friendlier relations between the two countries.

"Trump's campaign slogan 'Make America great again', if that means nuclear supremacy, will return the world to the worst times of the arms race in the '50s and '60s," said Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of the international affairs committee in the upper house of the Russian parliament.

The president's remarks in the interview with Reuters were, Kosachev said in a post on his Facebook page, "arguably Trump's most alarming statement on the subject of relations with Russia".

Over the course of the Cold War, the Soviet Union and the United States realized that achieving supremacy was dangerous, and accepted the doctrine of parity as the best way to ensure peace, Kosachev wrote on his Facebook page.

"Are we entering a new era? In my view we need an answer to that question as soon as possible."

During the U.S. presidential race, Trump said he would try to end the enmity that broke out between the Kremlin and Washington during Barack Obama's presidency. Russian officials looked forward to re-setting relations.

But just over a month into the Trump presidency, that prospect has receded, especially with the sacking of Michael Flynn, a leading proponent of warmer ties with Moscow, from his job as national security adviser.

Another pro-Kremlin lawmaker, Alexei Pushkov, wrote on Twitter that Trump's comments on increasing U.S. nuclear capacity "put in doubt the agreement on limiting strategic arms, returning the world to the 20th century".

He said a Cold War arms treaty laid the foundation for nuclear stability between Moscow and Washington. "That needs to be preserved. And the United States cannot achieve decisive superiority."

"Instead of trying to achieve an illusory nuclear supremacy over Russia, the U.S. administration should find a solution to the exceptionally complicated nuclear problem of North Korea," wrote Pushkov, a member of the defense and security committee in Russia's upper house of parliament.

Pushkov and Kosachev are not directly involved in decision-making on Russian defense and foreign policy, but they generally reflect the Kremlin position.

Source

I dunno, I guess we're gonna keep up Trump's nuke-baiting? I doubt Russia is going to play along too much (there is no reason to) but the optics are going to make Trump look really really stupid.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 24 2017 19:27 GMT
#139238
On February 25 2017 04:24 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
Pro-Kremlin politicians warn Trump could unleash new arms race

U.S. President Donald Trump pauses at the Dr. Ben Carson exhibit at the National Museum of African American History and Culture in Washington, U.S., February 21, 2017. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst
Russian politicians close to the Kremlin said on Friday U.S. President Donald Trump's declared aim of putting the U.S. nuclear arsenal "at the top of the pack" risked triggering a new Cold War-style arms race between Washington and Moscow.

In an interview with Reuters, Trump said the United States had fallen behind in its nuclear weapons capacity, a situation he said he would reverse, and he said a treaty limiting Russian and U.S. nuclear arsenals was a bad deal for Washington.

Russian officials issued no reaction, with Friday a public holiday, but pro-Kremlin politicians expressed consternation about the comments from Trump, who Moscow had hoped would usher in new, friendlier relations between the two countries.

"Trump's campaign slogan 'Make America great again', if that means nuclear supremacy, will return the world to the worst times of the arms race in the '50s and '60s," said Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of the international affairs committee in the upper house of the Russian parliament.

The president's remarks in the interview with Reuters were, Kosachev said in a post on his Facebook page, "arguably Trump's most alarming statement on the subject of relations with Russia".

Over the course of the Cold War, the Soviet Union and the United States realized that achieving supremacy was dangerous, and accepted the doctrine of parity as the best way to ensure peace, Kosachev wrote on his Facebook page.

"Are we entering a new era? In my view we need an answer to that question as soon as possible."

During the U.S. presidential race, Trump said he would try to end the enmity that broke out between the Kremlin and Washington during Barack Obama's presidency. Russian officials looked forward to re-setting relations.

But just over a month into the Trump presidency, that prospect has receded, especially with the sacking of Michael Flynn, a leading proponent of warmer ties with Moscow, from his job as national security adviser.

Another pro-Kremlin lawmaker, Alexei Pushkov, wrote on Twitter that Trump's comments on increasing U.S. nuclear capacity "put in doubt the agreement on limiting strategic arms, returning the world to the 20th century".

He said a Cold War arms treaty laid the foundation for nuclear stability between Moscow and Washington. "That needs to be preserved. And the United States cannot achieve decisive superiority."

"Instead of trying to achieve an illusory nuclear supremacy over Russia, the U.S. administration should find a solution to the exceptionally complicated nuclear problem of North Korea," wrote Pushkov, a member of the defense and security committee in Russia's upper house of parliament.

Pushkov and Kosachev are not directly involved in decision-making on Russian defense and foreign policy, but they generally reflect the Kremlin position.

Source

I dunno, I guess we're gonna keep up Trump's nuke-baiting? I doubt Russia is going to play along too much (there is no reason to) but the optics are going to make Trump look really really stupid.


Not just the optics - it's just a really really stupid thing for Trump to do.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 24 2017 19:29 GMT
#139239
CNN and other news organizations were blocked Friday from a White House press briefing.

There was no immediate explanation from the White House.

The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and Politico were also excluded from the meeting, which is known as a gaggle and is less formal than the televised Q-and-A session in the White House briefing room.


CNN
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 24 2017 19:29 GMT
#139240
Here's a more light-hearted one just for the funsies.

It’s not just a political battle anymore. It’s spiritual warfare now.

Exorcists, witches and occultists “in a number of magical groups” are announcing plans for a ritual designed to “bind Donald Trump and all who abet him.”

It’s to happen Friday at midnight at a variety of locations across the nation, and again every month until Donald Trump is no longer in office.

The rite, requiring a stub of a candle, a pin, salt, matches, a tarot card, a feather and other odds and ends, calls on spirits to ensure President Trump will “fail utterly.” It also includes burning a picture of the commander in chief, visualizing him “blowing apart into dust or ash.”

Participants apparently have the option of using a baby carrot instead of an orange candle.

Among the various spirits invoked are the “demons of the infernal realms.”

There is even a Facebook page networking those who want to participate in the ritual. Some media outlets are also looking to film whatever happens.

It’s not the first time anti-Trump occultists have tried to use black magic against the president.

The far-left feminist blog Jezebel, named after the biblical queen who mandated the worship of Baal and Asherah instead of God, published a gushing story in September 2015 about “Brooklyn Witches” of immigrant descent cursing Trump because they “wholeheartedly believe that Trump and the rest of the GOP are garbage.”

Trump evidently overcame the curse, along with everything else in his way, to win the presidency a year later.

Still, Christian leaders believe these kinds of spiritual threats should be taken seriously, condemned and countered.

Jan Markell of Olive Tree Ministries said the left’s open embrace of demonic imagery is revealing.

“It shows that the level of hatred against Donald Trump is generated by Satan himself,” she said. “Donald Trump is not a perfect man. But he is trying to stop the runaway freight train of evil that has existed for eight years emanating out of Washington and the Democratic Party.

Source
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