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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 24 2017 16:51 GMT
#139201
If someone pranked the attendees with an incorrect flag, did they break any actual laws in doing so?
I can't think of any criminal laws that would violate; whether it would be a civil tort, idunno, feels kinda borderline, might be.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-24 16:52:59
February 24 2017 16:52 GMT
#139202
On February 25 2017 01:49 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2017 01:46 Danglars wrote:
On February 25 2017 01:34 Nevuk wrote:
On February 25 2017 00:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Trump starting his speech at CPAC.

EDIT #1:



EDIT #2:

Okay...


Someone pranked the attendees. Told people they were pro Trump flags. Apparently they were labeled Trump on one side.

Best kind of prank too. Maybe we can all have a laugh without some dude pulling out a "deeply disturbing" hot take (and this is including if protestors snuck in and pulled them out.)


The flags don't seem to have trump anywhere on there, unless the russian flag is trumps new symbol?

Nah, they had Trump written on them

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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 24 2017 16:53 GMT
#139203
On February 25 2017 01:51 zlefin wrote:
If someone pranked the attendees with an incorrect flag, did they break any actual laws in doing so?
I can't think of any criminal laws that would violate; whether it would be a civil tort, idunno, feels kinda borderline, might be.

You would need to prove harm of some sort, which would be a feat of legal reasoning. But this has never slowed anyone down before.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 24 2017 16:53 GMT
#139204
Dunno why those flags would be taken away, looks pretty flattering to me.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
February 24 2017 16:55 GMT
#139205
On February 25 2017 01:53 LegalLord wrote:
Dunno why those flags would be taken away, looks pretty flattering to me.

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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
February 24 2017 16:55 GMT
#139206
On February 25 2017 01:53 LegalLord wrote:
Dunno why those flags would be taken away, looks pretty flattering to me.


I think we all know that you would think that though. Most normal people I think would find it disturbing. I find either possibility disturbing, the possibility that people there were legitimately waving the russia flags, and the possibility that the attendees could be tricked into the the russia flags by writing trump on them.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 24 2017 16:58 GMT
#139207
On February 25 2017 01:53 LegalLord wrote:
Dunno why those flags would be taken away, looks pretty flattering to me.

With all the sinister Russia-Trump stories out there, I think you could get away with a proud ironic play right now.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28892 Posts
February 24 2017 16:58 GMT
#139208
I honestly think most people who waved those flags did not know they were russian flags and just waved them cuz it said Trump.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 24 2017 16:58 GMT
#139209
Maybe they let them in because someone thought it was funny. I certainly got a laugh out of them. Obviously some stiff at CPAC could overreact and be upset by them though.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44286 Posts
February 24 2017 17:02 GMT
#139210
On February 25 2017 01:58 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I honestly think most people who waved those flags did not know they were russian flags and just waved them cuz it said Trump.

That's the prank bro.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
February 24 2017 17:03 GMT
#139211
On February 25 2017 01:26 mustaju wrote:
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Police charged a 51-year-old white man with first-degree murder after he allegedly shot and killed an Indian man and wounded another Indian man and a white bystander at a bar in Olathe, Kansas, Wednesday night. Federal prosecutors are investigating the incident as a possible hate crime.

Witnesses at the Austins Bar and Grill told local media they thought the attack was racially motivated. The suspect, Adam Purinton, reportedly used “racial slurs” before opening fire on two patrons of Indian nationality as they watched a basketball game on television.
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One of the victims, Srinivas Kuchibhotla, 32, worked as an engineer for a local aviation technology company. He died at the hospital, police said. His friend, Alok Madasani, 32, also reportedly an engineer, was hospitalized and has since been released. The third victim, Ian Grillot, 24, was wounded as he tried to intervene on behalf of Kuchibhotla and Madasani, police said. He is also reported to be hospitalized in stable condition.

A witness told the Kansas City Star that the suspect shouted, “Get out of my country” before shooting Kuchibhotla and Madasani, and then fled from the bar on foot. Later that night, the newspaper reported, the suspect told a bartender at an Applebee’s in Clinton, Missouri — about 75 miles from the crime scene — that he had just murdered two Middle Eastern men and needed somewhere to hide out.

Indian news media covered the attack extensively, and Indian lawmakers and state officials took to Twitter to convey their shock and sadness. “The vicious racism unleashed in some quarters in the U.S. claims more innocent victims, who happen to be Indian,” wrote Shashi Tharoor, an Indian lawmaker, on Twitter. India’s foreign minister Sushma Swaraj wrote on Twitter that she was “shocked” by the incident. “My heartfelt condolences to bereaved family.”

Madasani Jaganmohan Reddy, father of the wounded victim, told the Hindustan Times that he wants his son to quit his job and return home. “The situation seems to be pretty bad after Trump took over as the U.S. President,” Reddy said. “I appeal to all the parents in India not to send their children to the U.S. in the present circumstances.”

A local man named Brian Ford set up a GoFundMe fund to support the victims. Ford says he lives about 15 minutes away from the bar where the attack took place and has a close friend who worked at Garmin, the company that employed the two Indian victims. As of Friday morning, Ford had raised nearly $45,000 of his $50,000 target, which he said would go to cover medical and funeral expenses for the victims.


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I am afraid this will not be the last such attack.

Not the first time of an attack in America for mistaken identity. Reminds of when a Chinese man was mistaken as Japanese and got beaten and killed by disgruntled unemployed auto-workers who were mad at Japanese auto-makers for ultimately causing them to get laid off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Vincent_Chin

It's always disappointing when innocents accidentally get caught in incidents of racial tension. I just hope every incident wakes up the public enough that they become less and less common.
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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9245 Posts
February 24 2017 17:14 GMT
#139212
On February 25 2017 00:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

Hopefully you'll make it through his term without molotovs starting to fly at media buildings, this rhetoric is beyond stupid
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 24 2017 17:20 GMT
#139213
Trump has never been one for understanding what the consequences of his off-hand remarks would be. This media remark is par for the course.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 24 2017 17:28 GMT
#139214
On February 25 2017 02:14 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2017 00:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/835151221270904833

Hopefully you'll make it through his term without molotovs starting to fly at media buildings, this rhetoric is beyond stupid

It is really just a matter of time before this rhetoric gets some poor reporter attacked.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-24 17:35:57
February 24 2017 17:35 GMT
#139215
On February 25 2017 01:52 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2017 01:49 hunts wrote:
On February 25 2017 01:46 Danglars wrote:
On February 25 2017 01:34 Nevuk wrote:
On February 25 2017 00:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Trump starting his speech at CPAC.

EDIT #1:

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/835149237058859008

EDIT #2:

Okay...

https://twitter.com/TimAlberta/status/835149059610591232

Someone pranked the attendees. Told people they were pro Trump flags. Apparently they were labeled Trump on one side.

Best kind of prank too. Maybe we can all have a laugh without some dude pulling out a "deeply disturbing" hot take (and this is including if protestors snuck in and pulled them out.)


The flags don't seem to have trump anywhere on there, unless the russian flag is trumps new symbol?

Nah, they had Trump written on them

https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz/status/835147339442569218

This is some top quality trolling
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28892 Posts
February 24 2017 17:51 GMT
#139216
On February 25 2017 02:02 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2017 01:58 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I honestly think most people who waved those flags did not know they were russian flags and just waved them cuz it said Trump.

That's the prank bro.


I figured, was replying to hunts.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17794 Posts
February 24 2017 18:00 GMT
#139217
i just heard Trump give a big speech about only doing 1-on-1 trade deals with individual countries.

any one know how quickly Trump can pull out of NAFTA if he wants to do so?
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-24 18:07:07
February 24 2017 18:06 GMT
#139218
On February 25 2017 03:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i just heard Trump give a big speech about only doing 1-on-1 trade deals with individual countries.

any one know how quickly Trump can pull out of NAFTA if he wants to do so?

That would take a while. He would need Congressional approval.

Or more specifically, it would have to go through Congress; he can't do it by executive order like with the TPP.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-24 18:06:58
February 24 2017 18:06 GMT
#139219
Without upending the economy as we know it and throwing us into a deep recession? Not very fast. If he doesn't give a shit about that part, very quickly. But the quickly part requires that he break the agreement without anything else in place.

But removing NAFTA and keeping our economy functioning would require years of negotiation and congressional approval for the new deal.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 24 2017 18:08 GMT
#139220
Trump and the congressional Republicans have already demonstrated their willingness to employ the "break things before we actually have plans to implement a replacement" approach to building government systems though.
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