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Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 18:32:02
December 05 2013 18:16 GMT
#13721
On December 06 2013 02:21 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 00:24 Roe wrote:
On December 05 2013 15:22 xDaunt wrote:
What, do you guys really want to have a battle of the retards from both sides of the aisle?




you call sarah palin a retard...sounds like you're the one who's lost his common decency.


Really, now. We're going to equate calling someone a retard to advocating that someone should take a shit in someone else's mouth? That sounds pretty retarded to me.


when did i do that? all i'm saying is you've lost your common decency by calling Palin a retard. and you lamented the loss of common decency in america, so i'd think you would be ashamed of yourself for propagating it. how about both you and bashir are acting indecent? this has already gone on too long, just accept your error.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
December 05 2013 18:41 GMT
#13722
On December 06 2013 03:16 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 02:21 xDaunt wrote:
On December 06 2013 00:24 Roe wrote:
On December 05 2013 15:22 xDaunt wrote:
What, do you guys really want to have a battle of the retards from both sides of the aisle?




you call sarah palin a retard...sounds like you're the one who's lost his common decency.


Really, now. We're going to equate calling someone a retard to advocating that someone should take a shit in someone else's mouth? That sounds pretty retarded to me.


when did i do that? all i'm saying is you've lost your common decency by calling Palin a retard. and you lamented the loss of common decency in america, so i'd think you would be ashamed of yourself for propagating it. how about both you and bashir are acting indecent? this has already gone on too long, just accept your error.

He didn't lost common decency, he made a judgement. And that judgement doesn't seem quite wrong at that.

Criticizing, and more than that, being hard with politicians is always right. You need to bring those people down in a democracy, because their powers and their positions is at the same time a problem for democracy and a necessity. It's always good to question and criticize power, even if sometime the way you criticize something is not morally unquestionable.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 05 2013 18:44 GMT
#13723
WASHINGTON -- House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said Thursday that he believes Republicans are making progress toward appealing to women voters, but they still have work to do.

"[We're] trying to get them to be a little more sensitive," Boehner said of fellow Republicans at a press conference. "You know, you look around the Congress, there are a lot more females in the Democratic caucus than there are in the Republican conference. And some of our members just aren't as sensitive as they ought to be."

Some Republican members are receiving training from the National Republican Congressional Committee on how to run against female candidates in an effort to stop the GOP's trend of poor performance among women voters.

Then-Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney lost to President Barack Obama among women voters in 2012, and the party was harmed in congressional races by several candidates' missteps on women's issues. One of the biggest examples was failed Senate candidate Todd Akin, who drew criticism from outside and inside the party for saying victims of "legitimate rape" rarely get pregnant.

There are at least 10 races in which male House Republican incumbents are being challenged by Democratic women.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21969 Posts
December 05 2013 18:54 GMT
#13724
On December 06 2013 03:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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WASHINGTON -- House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said Thursday that he believes Republicans are making progress toward appealing to women voters, but they still have work to do.

"[We're] trying to get them to be a little more sensitive," Boehner said of fellow Republicans at a press conference. "You know, you look around the Congress, there are a lot more females in the Democratic caucus than there are in the Republican conference. And some of our members just aren't as sensitive as they ought to be."

Some Republican members are receiving training from the National Republican Congressional Committee on how to run against female candidates in an effort to stop the GOP's trend of poor performance among women voters.

Then-Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney lost to President Barack Obama among women voters in 2012, and the party was harmed in congressional races by several candidates' missteps on women's issues. One of the biggest examples was failed Senate candidate Todd Akin, who drew criticism from outside and inside the party for saying victims of "legitimate rape" rarely get pregnant.

There are at least 10 races in which male House Republican incumbents are being challenged by Democratic women.


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Yeah cause its totally about them being insensitive and not at all about there position on women issues...
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
December 05 2013 18:59 GMT
#13725
On December 06 2013 03:16 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 02:21 xDaunt wrote:
On December 06 2013 00:24 Roe wrote:
On December 05 2013 15:22 xDaunt wrote:
What, do you guys really want to have a battle of the retards from both sides of the aisle?




you call sarah palin a retard...sounds like you're the one who's lost his common decency.


Really, now. We're going to equate calling someone a retard to advocating that someone should take a shit in someone else's mouth? That sounds pretty retarded to me.


when did i do that? all i'm saying is you've lost your common decency by calling Palin a retard. and you lamented the loss of common decency in america, so i'd think you would be ashamed of yourself for propagating it. how about both you and bashir are acting indecent? this has already gone on too long, just accept your error.


There are some differences between us calling someone names here or amongst our peers and someone going on TV and saying those things in a supposed professional atmosphere for the world to see. I think daunt has a point even if he didn't make it clearly.
dude bro.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
December 05 2013 19:14 GMT
#13726
McKinsey weighing in on who benefits from central bank QE programs and ultra low interest rates in general:

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 05 2013 19:20 GMT
#13727
Dec 4 (Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives passed a bill on Wednesday that would largely spare private equity fund advisers from federal regulations enacted after the 2007-2009 financial crisis.

The bill would exempt many private equity fund advisers from a provision in the 2010 Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform law which required advisers with more than $150 million in assets under management to register with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

Any firm that registers with the SEC is also subject to reporting rules and is required to open its books to agency examiners for routine compliance inspections.

Dodd-Frank also imposed more extensive confidential reporting requirements on larger private equity and hedge fund advisers in an effort to help U.S. regulators monitor possible broader systemic market risks.

In a 254-159 vote Wednesday, the Republican-controlled House passed the bill with more than 30 Democrats also voting in favor. It does not stand a strong chance of becoming law, however, because there is no likely action in the Democratic-controlled U.S. Senate after President Barack Obama threatened to veto the bill.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 19:39:51
December 05 2013 19:22 GMT
#13728
On December 06 2013 03:16 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 02:21 xDaunt wrote:
On December 06 2013 00:24 Roe wrote:
On December 05 2013 15:22 xDaunt wrote:
What, do you guys really want to have a battle of the retards from both sides of the aisle?




you call sarah palin a retard...sounds like you're the one who's lost his common decency.


Really, now. We're going to equate calling someone a retard to advocating that someone should take a shit in someone else's mouth? That sounds pretty retarded to me.


when did i do that? all i'm saying is you've lost your common decency by calling Palin a retard. and you lamented the loss of common decency in america, so i'd think you would be ashamed of yourself for propagating it. how about both you and bashir are acting indecent? this has already gone on too long, just accept your error.

What error? Calling someone "retarded" (as opposed to just "stupid") is obviously politically incorrect, but if nothing else, you guys should know that I really don't give two shits about being politically correct. If anything, I revel in being politically incorrect.

What you did and what you are persisting in doing is equating my comment to Bashir's, which is absolutely ludicrous as others have pointed out. Saying that someone should shit in Palin's mouth goes beyond being politically incorrect. It is outright offensive (not that I personally care). That Bashir said it on national TV is simply outrageous by any metric.

Also, I find it funny that you are saying that "this has gone on too long" when you're the one who is insisting upon making this retarded point by baselessly extrapolating from what I already referred to as a "throwaway line."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 05 2013 19:51 GMT
#13729
House Republican leaders are eying a vote on a stopgap spending bill as a fallback to avert another government shutdown next month in case budget negotiations break down between House Budget Chair Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Senate Budget Chair Patty Murray (D-WA).

Funding expires on Jan. 15, at which point there will be another shutdown unless Congress acts. The continuing resolution planned by Republicans would set spending at the level called for under sequestration cuts: $967 billion, which includes an additional $20 billion in automatic cuts to defense programs that are required under current law starting Jan. 15.

But pushing to continue those painful spending cuts would risk another shutdown as Democrats and numerous key Republicans strongly oppose spending at sequester levels.

"[I]f Ryan and Murray fail to get an agreement, we'll be ready to move a short-term CR at the Budget Control Act number," said a House GOP leadership aide. "No decision has been made on the duration of such a CR, or the timing of a potential vote."

The deal being negotiated by Ryan and Murray would set spending levels for the next few years and mitigate the pain of the sequester by replacing it with a mix of targeted spending cuts and non-tax revenues from government fees. The two met on Wednesday. They're zeroing in on a spending level of roughly $1 trillion, but talks remain fluid and the deal could yet fall apart. They have until Dec. 13 to reach an agreement.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 19:56:01
December 05 2013 19:55 GMT
#13730
On December 06 2013 04:22 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 03:16 Roe wrote:
On December 06 2013 02:21 xDaunt wrote:
On December 06 2013 00:24 Roe wrote:
On December 05 2013 15:22 xDaunt wrote:
What, do you guys really want to have a battle of the retards from both sides of the aisle?




you call sarah palin a retard...sounds like you're the one who's lost his common decency.


Really, now. We're going to equate calling someone a retard to advocating that someone should take a shit in someone else's mouth? That sounds pretty retarded to me.


when did i do that? all i'm saying is you've lost your common decency by calling Palin a retard. and you lamented the loss of common decency in america, so i'd think you would be ashamed of yourself for propagating it. how about both you and bashir are acting indecent? this has already gone on too long, just accept your error.

What error? Calling someone "retarded" (as opposed to just "stupid") is obviously politically incorrect, but if nothing else, you guys should know that I really don't give two shits about being politically correct. If anything, I revel in being politically incorrect.

What you did and what you are persisting in doing is equating my comment to Bashir's, which is absolutely ludicrous as others have pointed out. Saying that someone should shit in Palin's mouth goes beyond being politically incorrect. It is outright offensive (not that I personally care). That Bashir said it on national TV is simply outrageous by any metric.

Also, I find it funny that you are saying that "this has gone on too long" when you're the one who is insisting upon making this retarded point by baselessly extrapolating from what I already referred to as a "throwaway line."



Technically he said, "If anyone truly qualified for a dose of discipline from Thomas Thistlewood, then she would be the outstanding candidate."

You guys didn't watch the clip did you?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43283 Posts
December 05 2013 19:56 GMT
#13731
On December 05 2013 13:08 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
“Our free stuff today is being paid for by taking money from our children, and borrowing from China. When that note comes due — and this isn’t racist, so try it. Try it anyway. This isn’t racist. But it’s going to be like slavery when that note is due.”


-Sarah Palin

What a buffoon.

I was thinking about this today. What gets me is that she's trying to say "American kids will be born with a debt and will therefore have to forfeit some of their productive surplus" which is, strictly speaking, like slavery (where an individual loses all rights to their labour) but that she couldn't think of a more apt comparison than "slavery, but I'm not racist". If you really want to be super dictionary specific about it then she's not completely wrong, only mostly wrong (slavery is more than just losing control of economic output, the people were owned, they lost all control over every aspect of their lives) but slavery has a huge historical, social and emotional legacy with which no comparison can be made. Sending a small portion of your income to China is in no way comparable to the experience of the slaves in America and attempting to hijack that experience and that history to make a cheap political point is at the very least insulting to the subject. Sorry Palin, you're either racist, a moron of the highest order or both.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 05 2013 19:58 GMT
#13732
On December 06 2013 04:55 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 04:22 xDaunt wrote:
On December 06 2013 03:16 Roe wrote:
On December 06 2013 02:21 xDaunt wrote:
On December 06 2013 00:24 Roe wrote:
On December 05 2013 15:22 xDaunt wrote:
What, do you guys really want to have a battle of the retards from both sides of the aisle?




you call sarah palin a retard...sounds like you're the one who's lost his common decency.


Really, now. We're going to equate calling someone a retard to advocating that someone should take a shit in someone else's mouth? That sounds pretty retarded to me.


when did i do that? all i'm saying is you've lost your common decency by calling Palin a retard. and you lamented the loss of common decency in america, so i'd think you would be ashamed of yourself for propagating it. how about both you and bashir are acting indecent? this has already gone on too long, just accept your error.

What error? Calling someone "retarded" (as opposed to just "stupid") is obviously politically incorrect, but if nothing else, you guys should know that I really don't give two shits about being politically correct. If anything, I revel in being politically incorrect.

What you did and what you are persisting in doing is equating my comment to Bashir's, which is absolutely ludicrous as others have pointed out. Saying that someone should shit in Palin's mouth goes beyond being politically incorrect. It is outright offensive (not that I personally care). That Bashir said it on national TV is simply outrageous by any metric.

Also, I find it funny that you are saying that "this has gone on too long" when you're the one who is insisting upon making this retarded point by baselessly extrapolating from what I already referred to as a "throwaway line."



Technically he said, "If anyone truly qualified for a dose of discipline from Thomas Thistlewood, then she would be the outstanding candidate."

You guys didn't watch the clip did you?


Yeah, and what was the discipline to which he was referring?
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
December 05 2013 20:04 GMT
#13733
On December 06 2013 04:58 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 04:55 IgnE wrote:
On December 06 2013 04:22 xDaunt wrote:
On December 06 2013 03:16 Roe wrote:
On December 06 2013 02:21 xDaunt wrote:
On December 06 2013 00:24 Roe wrote:
On December 05 2013 15:22 xDaunt wrote:
What, do you guys really want to have a battle of the retards from both sides of the aisle?




you call sarah palin a retard...sounds like you're the one who's lost his common decency.


Really, now. We're going to equate calling someone a retard to advocating that someone should take a shit in someone else's mouth? That sounds pretty retarded to me.


when did i do that? all i'm saying is you've lost your common decency by calling Palin a retard. and you lamented the loss of common decency in america, so i'd think you would be ashamed of yourself for propagating it. how about both you and bashir are acting indecent? this has already gone on too long, just accept your error.

What error? Calling someone "retarded" (as opposed to just "stupid") is obviously politically incorrect, but if nothing else, you guys should know that I really don't give two shits about being politically correct. If anything, I revel in being politically incorrect.

What you did and what you are persisting in doing is equating my comment to Bashir's, which is absolutely ludicrous as others have pointed out. Saying that someone should shit in Palin's mouth goes beyond being politically incorrect. It is outright offensive (not that I personally care). That Bashir said it on national TV is simply outrageous by any metric.

Also, I find it funny that you are saying that "this has gone on too long" when you're the one who is insisting upon making this retarded point by baselessly extrapolating from what I already referred to as a "throwaway line."



Technically he said, "If anyone truly qualified for a dose of discipline from Thomas Thistlewood, then she would be the outstanding candidate."

You guys didn't watch the clip did you?


Yeah, and what was the discipline to which he was referring?


I believe he was skilled at pissing in slaves eyes and pooping into their mouth.
dude bro.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
December 05 2013 20:16 GMT
#13734
But he just got through saying that no one is truly qualified for a dose of that discipline. And that slavery qua slavery is different from debt peonage, because at least it is unlikely you will get your mouth shitted in when you are merely a debt slave.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 05 2013 20:50 GMT
#13735
On December 06 2013 05:16 IgnE wrote:
But he just got through saying that no one is truly qualified for a dose of that discipline. And that slavery qua slavery is different from debt peonage, because at least it is unlikely you will get your mouth shitted in when you are merely a debt slave.

If you really want to parse it that fine, go ahead. However, he very clearly had a specific juxtaposition in mind with his comments, and that's what got him into trouble.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
December 05 2013 21:14 GMT
#13736
On December 06 2013 04:56 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 13:08 IgnE wrote:
“Our free stuff today is being paid for by taking money from our children, and borrowing from China. When that note comes due — and this isn’t racist, so try it. Try it anyway. This isn’t racist. But it’s going to be like slavery when that note is due.”


-Sarah Palin

What a buffoon.

I was thinking about this today. What gets me is that she's trying to say "American kids will be born with a debt and will therefore have to forfeit some of their productive surplus" which is, strictly speaking, like slavery (where an individual loses all rights to their labour) but that she couldn't think of a more apt comparison than "slavery, but I'm not racist". If you really want to be super dictionary specific about it then she's not completely wrong, only mostly wrong (slavery is more than just losing control of economic output, the people were owned, they lost all control over every aspect of their lives) but slavery has a huge historical, social and emotional legacy with which no comparison can be made. Sending a small portion of your income to China is in no way comparable to the experience of the slaves in America and attempting to hijack that experience and that history to make a cheap political point is at the very least insulting to the subject. Sorry Palin, you're either racist, a moron of the highest order or both.

You'll find as diverse an organization as the UN calling debt bondage a modern day form of slavery. You can make the case that slavery ought to go farther, but there are more similarities than differences in its literal form. You're arguing the matter of degrees makes no comparison, but I'm afraid it falls flat. Moral crusaders make no qualms about it. Heck, the modern day left loves going even further in the comparisons. I remember distinctly Hillary calling the Republican house a plantation, in her "When you look at the way the House of Representatives has been run, it has been run like a plantation, and you know what I'm talking about."

I consider the current size of the debt, amounting to $140,000 per household, and just the big 3 federal programs will exceed the entirety of tax revenue in 75 years with no current plans for reform. "Sending a small portion of your income to China" is pretty offensive in diluting the matter of degree present here.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 05 2013 21:32 GMT
#13737
Workers walked off their jobs at fast-food restaurants across the country Thursday as part of a national protest against low wages, a day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for a minimum wage hike.

The action is part of a growing movement against what workers say are substandard working conditions and wages too low for employees to make ends meet. Thousands of labor activists and workers, who were scheduled to start their shifts early Thursday morning, did not show at their jobs and chose to protest instead.

Workers and their supporters are expected to strike at the nation's major national fast-food restaurants, organizers said, including McDonald’s, Burger King, Wendy’s and KFC. Protesters in cities such as Charleston, S.C., Providence, R.I., and Pittsburgh will join the action for the first time, along with clergy, elected officials and community supporters.

About 150 fast food workers, community organizers and union members staged a rally outside of a Wendy's burger joint in Brooklyn, New York City, at noon on Thursday.

Carrying signs and placards calling for a $15 dollar wage, up from $7.25 right now, they marched in front of the restaurant, which had "voluntarily closed," a police officer present said. Security guards stood inside the doors watching rally chant slogans.

"Getting paid $7.25 for work, it makes me feel like a slave really. My back hurts and I'm in pain. I call out and I don't get paid for the day. If I hurt myself I can't leave or I get written up, said Adam Haynie, 21, who has been working at the Wendy's for six months.

Haynie also described having his hours cut at his manager's whim. Sometimes he will only get five hours of work per shift, he said.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 05 2013 21:38 GMT
#13738
It'll be kinda sweet when jacking up the minimum wage results in companies replacing all of those minimum wage workers with various kinds of automatons. I'm a huge of fan of being able to self-checkout at the grocery store as opposed fucking around in checkout lines.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
December 05 2013 21:42 GMT
#13739
I do rather like self-checkout myself. But there are limits to how many they can cut; oddly, a lot of low-wage jobs are rather hard to automate.
Higher minimum wages do seem necessary in some places; but it should really be done at the state or local level, not federal, because of the disparities in cost of living around the country.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
December 05 2013 21:51 GMT
#13740
On December 06 2013 04:22 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 03:16 Roe wrote:
On December 06 2013 02:21 xDaunt wrote:
On December 06 2013 00:24 Roe wrote:
On December 05 2013 15:22 xDaunt wrote:
What, do you guys really want to have a battle of the retards from both sides of the aisle?




you call sarah palin a retard...sounds like you're the one who's lost his common decency.


Really, now. We're going to equate calling someone a retard to advocating that someone should take a shit in someone else's mouth? That sounds pretty retarded to me.


when did i do that? all i'm saying is you've lost your common decency by calling Palin a retard. and you lamented the loss of common decency in america, so i'd think you would be ashamed of yourself for propagating it. how about both you and bashir are acting indecent? this has already gone on too long, just accept your error.

What error? Calling someone "retarded" (as opposed to just "stupid") is obviously politically incorrect, but if nothing else, you guys should know that I really don't give two shits about being politically correct. If anything, I revel in being politically incorrect.

What you did and what you are persisting in doing is equating my comment to Bashir's, which is absolutely ludicrous as others have pointed out. Saying that someone should shit in Palin's mouth goes beyond being politically incorrect. It is outright offensive (not that I personally care). That Bashir said it on national TV is simply outrageous by any metric.


Calling someone retarded is obviously offensive. It should be easy to realize that. But if you don't care about being politically correct or offending, you shouldn't care if Bashir does it either. Being on national TV doesn't make a difference. I'm not going to accept an argument that we should shield the country from bad words on TV. Being outrageous isn't anything wrong either.
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