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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 01 2017 17:53 GMT
#134621
On February 02 2017 02:32 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2017 00:49 Logo wrote:

Also I asked yesterday if Sean Spicer was bad at his job or if the administration had changed their mind on targeting US civilians. Some people said it was the latter, so I'm sorry to let you know that Sean Spicer is just *really* *really* bad at his job:


White House press secretary Sean Spicer told reporters earlier in the day that “no American citizen will ever be targeted” when asked whether the Trump administration would deliberately go after U.S.-born people with ties to extremists.

The statement represented a break with policy set under the Obama administration.

But a White House official later clarified that “U.S. policy regarding the possible targeting of American citizens has not changed.”


http://thehill.com/policy/defense/317234-white-house-walks-back-assertion-military-wont-target-us-civilians-overseas


Does it surprise anyone that a guy who said we shouldn't call it a ban after himself publicly calling it a ban is totally incompetent at his job? There's pretty much no reason to believe anything Spicer says is representative of the administration at this point without waiting to see if he corrects himself.

he does seem bad at his job, unless they're simply using spicer as a distraction: i.e. they know their message is terrible, so they put up someone terrible and incompetent to tell the message so people shoot the messenger instead of being angry about the message.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 01 2017 17:53 GMT
#134622
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2584 Posts
February 01 2017 17:58 GMT
#134623
On February 02 2017 02:33 Nyxisto wrote:
The annual cap for H1b visas seems to be 65k. Sorry but how does that even warrant an abuse discussion? That's virtually nothing.


Source? Even so, that's 65,000 jobs in California/Washington that's being replaced by slave labor by another name; not something to scoff at.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 01 2017 17:58 GMT
#134624
“We’re going to war in the South China Sea in five to 10 years, aren’t we?” Mr Bannon said on his radio show in March 2016. “There’s no doubt about that. They’re taking their sandbars and making basically stationary aircraft carriers and putting missiles on those. They come here to the United States in front of our face — and you understand how important face is — and say it’s an ancient territorial sea.”

...

Last week a senior Chinese military official said that war with the US is "not just a slogan" and that it was becoming a "practical reality". The same official called for increased military deployments in the East and South China Seas to guard the area, according to the South China Morning Post.

...

The ex-head of Breitbart has in the past likened himself to Lenin, for instance. The Russian leader "wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment," he told a reporter from The Daily Beast.


The Independent
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-01 17:59:11
February 01 2017 17:58 GMT
#134625
You don't have to keep listing all the African Americans that supported you on the campaign trail, Donald, we've heard the list plenty of times. Maybe more time spent talking about other people would do you some good.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
February 01 2017 18:00 GMT
#134626
On February 02 2017 02:58 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2017 02:33 Nyxisto wrote:
The annual cap for H1b visas seems to be 65k. Sorry but how does that even warrant an abuse discussion? That's virtually nothing.


Source? Even so, that's 65,000 jobs in California/Washington that's being replaced by slave labor by another name; not something to scoff at.


https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-workers/h-1b-specialty-occupations-and-fashion-models/h-1b-fiscal-year-fy-2017-cap-season

Is unemployment really a thing in California or Washington? This is another problem with this discussion, the people that suffer from mass unemployment don't even remotely live in regions in which H1B visas are being issued. What are you going to do, just put the Rust Belt construction worker into a software startup company at the other end of the country?

This is literally just "they took our jerbs"
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2584 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-01 18:08:40
February 01 2017 18:08 GMT
#134627
So you think it's no big deal to lose your health insurance, get your home re-possessed, have to uproot and move your family elsewhere because your employer decided to replace you with slave labor?

This isn't even people becoming unemployed due to automatization, this is just moving jobs from Americans to more desperate people so tech companies can lower the wage floor and ignore labor regulations. That's bad for everybody.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-01 18:27:18
February 01 2017 18:26 GMT
#134628
Sure it's a big deal, but the problem is the lack of a social welfare net to train and put the people back into different jobs, not to lock anybody else out. You're going to lose a lot more jobs in the future as the information economy moves forward that are never coming back, so you might as well start preparing now.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
February 01 2017 18:29 GMT
#134629
People in here are like "65,000 a year is nothing" and I'm over here in Virginia making a fraction of that and hoping to maybe one day get to 80,000. >.>
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
February 01 2017 18:29 GMT
#134630
On February 02 2017 02:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/826822342961745922


Kill me now. I'm sure my son can write a more coherent speech in 5 years time, and he's only 2 now.
Envy fan since NTH.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-01 18:30:23
February 01 2017 18:30 GMT
#134631
On February 02 2017 01:47 Danglars wrote:
I'm interested to see if Tillerson has what it takes to head an agency openly opposed to his boss's aims.

Tillerson and Trump are both private sector executives who are accustomed to firing anyone who is openly disobedient. I fully expect Tillerson to continue the bureaucratic purges in the State Department.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2584 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-01 18:31:08
February 01 2017 18:30 GMT
#134632
On February 02 2017 03:29 Zambrah wrote:
People in here are like "65,000 a year is nothing" and I'm over here in Virginia making a fraction of that and hoping to maybe one day get to 80,000. >.>


No, it means they're only issuing 65,000 H1B visas. Not that their salary is capped at $65k.

Of course I wonder if that means an ADDITIONAL 65,000 per year, in which case this has been going on for over a decade so the number is much higher than 65k.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 01 2017 18:34 GMT
#134633
On February 02 2017 02:14 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2017 02:02 LegalLord wrote:
The other problem is that a "minimum salary" favors absurd COL areas like SV (where COL is double that of sane normal cities) and making it hard for anyone else.

I feel that the solution is on the "legal status" side rather than on the "how much they are paid" side. If immigrant workers are entitled to the same legal rights and can switch jobs the same as locals, then they won't really be a problem.


But you see, that's also a problem; that's basically opening the doors to globalized race-to-the-bottom salaries.

Not if the quantity is properly limited. It's no different than if a few more people graduate from our own universities.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 01 2017 18:37 GMT
#134634
On February 02 2017 02:33 Nyxisto wrote:
The annual cap for H1b visas seems to be 65k. Sorry but how does that even warrant an abuse discussion? That's virtually nothing.

What's the (oil economic) problem with ISIS selling oil at $20 a barrel? They don't have that much.

Same issue. It doesn't take much to undercut.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-01 18:45:16
February 01 2017 18:38 GMT
#134635
On February 02 2017 03:30 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2017 03:29 Zambrah wrote:
People in here are like "65,000 a year is nothing" and I'm over here in Virginia making a fraction of that and hoping to maybe one day get to 80,000. >.>


No, it means they're only issuing 65,000 H1B visas. Not that their salary is capped at $65k.

Of course I wonder if that means an ADDITIONAL 65,000 per year, in which case this has been going on for over a decade so the number is much higher than 65k.


I'm not saying that their salary is capped, just that 65,000 is more money than I'd consider nothing.

I'd also like to bring up once more than industries other than tech use H1B visas (such as the art industry, y'know the people that make video games and all of those great things we enjoy) that would probably be shat all over with some of the salary minimums people in here are talkin' about

EDIT: I'm not reading well my bad :D
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
February 01 2017 18:39 GMT
#134636
On February 02 2017 03:38 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2017 03:30 LightSpectra wrote:
On February 02 2017 03:29 Zambrah wrote:
People in here are like "65,000 a year is nothing" and I'm over here in Virginia making a fraction of that and hoping to maybe one day get to 80,000. >.>


No, it means they're only issuing 65,000 H1B visas. Not that their salary is capped at $65k.

Of course I wonder if that means an ADDITIONAL 65,000 per year, in which case this has been going on for over a decade so the number is much higher than 65k.


I'm not saying that their salary is capped, just that 65,000 is more money than I'd consider nothing.

65,000 is not a dollar figure.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
February 01 2017 18:40 GMT
#134637
On February 02 2017 03:39 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2017 03:38 Zambrah wrote:
On February 02 2017 03:30 LightSpectra wrote:
On February 02 2017 03:29 Zambrah wrote:
People in here are like "65,000 a year is nothing" and I'm over here in Virginia making a fraction of that and hoping to maybe one day get to 80,000. >.>


No, it means they're only issuing 65,000 H1B visas. Not that their salary is capped at $65k.

Of course I wonder if that means an ADDITIONAL 65,000 per year, in which case this has been going on for over a decade so the number is much higher than 65k.


I'm not saying that their salary is capped, just that 65,000 is more money than I'd consider nothing.

65,000 is not a dollar figure.


Its confusing because, $65,000 is also the current salary floor for H1B employees. Thats the minimum they have to be paid to be eligible to apply for H1B.
Envy fan since NTH.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
February 01 2017 18:57 GMT
#134638
Someone break this down for me, the only first hand experience I have with H1B visas is how hard they are to get for anyone working within the entertainment industry (at least before they've had tremendous first hand studio experience)

If the minimum salary for an H1B visa was 200,000 you'd effectively obliterate any and all foreign artists who work at tons and tons of game studios in the US because they certainly arent making 200,000 a year. For the tech industry this might be a viable solution but H1B visas apply to other industries that would make these sorts of salary limitations tricky to really implement without gutting, at least, game studios.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
February 01 2017 18:59 GMT
#134639
On February 01 2017 10:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
So this Neil Gorsuch fellow doesn't sound that bad. ... is that why nobody is discussing him?

Just some cursory reading but he sounds reasonable?


The main controversy I see about him is his concurrence with this statement in Hobby Lobby v Sebelius
the government has given us no persuasive reason to think
that Congress meant “person” in RFRA to mean anything other than its default
meaning in the Dictionary Act

(source) (RFRA = Religious Freedom Restoration Act)


Meaning that corporations that can demonstrate a religious objection to a government mandate are generally exempt from that mandate.

Those criticisms tend to overlook his concurring opinion, in which he explains why the corporation's owners can also sue in their own capacities to block enforcement of the same rule, finessing the controversial portion of the decision.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-01 19:19:14
February 01 2017 19:10 GMT
#134640
I'm highly amused by the fact that Gorsuch uses contractions in his opinions. And I also can see why people say that his opinions are highly accessible. I can't imagine a legal opinion being easier to read than his Hobby Lobby concurrence.

EDIT: Also, I think that it is foregone conclusion that Gorsuch is going to be confirmed to the Court. There are already 7 democrat senators who have indicated that they won't support a filibuster. The writing is on the wall for Schumer.
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