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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-18 20:16:23
January 18 2017 19:46 GMT
#131781


mod edit:
On January 19 2017 04:53 Nevuk wrote:
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On January 19 2017 04:48 LegalLord wrote:
Context? Who is this guy and why should we care what his rather conspiratorial statements here are?

Sorry, that's roger stone, one of trumps advisors and he's claiming it was polonium.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 18 2017 19:48 GMT
#131782
Context? Who is this guy and why should we care what his rather conspiratorial statements here are?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-18 19:50:01
January 18 2017 19:49 GMT
#131783
I don't know which DeVos bit was funnier.

Grizzly bears as an excuse for guns in schools or being the VP of a board for 13 years was just a "clerical error".
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44817 Posts
January 18 2017 19:50 GMT
#131784
On January 19 2017 04:43 Nevuk wrote:
They played just a few clips of her responses on NPR and it was pretty cringeworthy. Did she answer literally any of the questions competently?


Zero, imo.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-18 19:54:29
January 18 2017 19:53 GMT
#131785
On January 19 2017 04:48 LegalLord wrote:
Context? Who is this guy and why should we care what his rather conspiratorial statements here are?

Sorry, that's roger stone, one of trumps advisors and he's claiming it was polonium.

On Tuesday, Roger Stone, best known as one of Donald Trump’s advisors, made quite the mammoth claim: That recently, he had been poisoned with polonium, the radioactive agent best known for being used to kill Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko in 2006. Stone made the announcement on Alex Jones’ InfoWars and also tweeted about his alleged diagnosis

"I became extremely ill. This manifested itself in over 14 days of high fever, delirium, night sweats, I had lesions on my chest and my face,” Stone explained to Jones. “The general consensus is I was poisoned. I was poisoned with polonium or a substance that has the characteristics of polonium and this made me exceedingly ill.” Stone’s theory is that someone poisoned him because he has proof that Russia was not behind the hacks of the Democratic National Committee and John Podesta, “This is about stopping the Trump agenda,” he said. “I would blow the whistle on this whole bogus Russian narrative that they just won’t let go of.”

However, Stone is also pushing that said debunking is central to his new book, “The Making of the President 2016: How Donald Trump Orchestrated a Revolution,” which comes out on January 31st. It’s not clear how, in Stone’s theory, his death would stop the book from debunking Russian hacking allegations, especially since it would likely give the release more publicity.


http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-advisor-roger-stone-claims-he-was-poisoned-with-radioactive-polonium/

The important part here is that this is a person who has Trump's ear.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
January 18 2017 19:56 GMT
#131786
It’s not clear how, in Stone’s theory, his death would stop the book from debunking Russian hacking allegations, especially since it would likely give the release more publicity.


Pure Gold.
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4844 Posts
January 18 2017 20:12 GMT
#131787
On January 19 2017 04:46 Mohdoo wrote:
Are any republicans around here skeptical of Devos? She seems blatantly and hugely inexperienced. I am assuming there are plenty of republicans that support many of the same things while also being people who are at least involved in this type of thing.


Danglars might know the most, but he's gone for a few months.

Howevet from what I've read and seen most of this is partisan or ideological gnashing of teeth. These hearings are useless anyways. Don't make waves and coast by. I've seen no evidence of any competency issue and I'm not going to trust NPR snippets to find out.

DPB's horror is par the course in this thread so I can't say more :p

And finally there shouldn't be too much worry about competence, Trump has stacked this thing with GS and long time politicos! They'll be fine.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23410 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-18 21:42:27
January 18 2017 20:26 GMT
#131788
On January 18 2017 22:45 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 22:38 Scarecrow wrote:
On January 18 2017 22:35 xDaunt wrote:
On January 18 2017 22:29 Scarecrow wrote:
On January 18 2017 21:29 xDaunt wrote:
On January 18 2017 14:30 Wegandi wrote:
On January 18 2017 12:37 Nyxisto wrote:
On January 18 2017 12:34 xDaunt wrote:
On January 18 2017 12:22 Nyxisto wrote:
I still don't understand why anybody gives this Milo guy a public platform, he is a troll

Because he is smart, media-attractive, and has a compelling message.


What compelling message? "The jews run everything and gay people should get back into the closet" is compelling to you? The guy is a walking version of 4chan, are you serious?


Gay people should get back in the closest? Milo? LOL. You know Milo is gay right? People don't like Milo because he's militantly anti-feminist and anti-PC. I actually find it sort of hilarious that the people who like Milo are the ones stereotyped as gay haters. The LBQT uber-alles crowd loathes him, yet he is "one of them" so to speak. It's interesting to me anyways.

Edit: Sort of like Camille Paglia. Other feminists can't stand her (she's not man-hating enough), and me, as someone who is not, agrees on many of her points. Go figure.

The LGBQT crowd and its allies don't like Milo because he exposes the contradictions and insanity of their arguments

Sorry, but a guy who says "Like all feminists, they can only survive by sucking on the teat of Big Government" seems better at expressing insane arguments than exposing them.

I don't get how being an asshole to various groups, rather than learning to stfu when you don't like someone on a superficial level, is a cause worth championing. You seem to be a product of the media you're consuming xDaunt, with all this 'regressive left' talk and trying to conflate the left with fascism. Is it really that hard living in a post-highschool world where it's not socially acceptable to be a dick to people because of someone's gender, philosophy, body shape or orientation? I feel like most of Milo's followers must be just angry white guys who want to express hateful opinions instead of keeping them to themselves.


You have it backwards. People like me don't wake up in the morning looking for opportunities to be a dick to various minorities. We'd rather just be left alone. However, various elements of the regressive left won't afford us that opportunity. They have an agenda to push. And for as much as I may agree or disagree with various elements of the agenda, what I particularly object to is the manner in which it's pushed.

Can you give me an example of this agenda being pushed so hard that you aren't given the opportunity to ignore it?

LightSpectra provided a good example. Perhaps the best one is BLM, where the argument from the Left is basically "it's okay for black people to riot and break shit because they're not going to be able to get the attention of anyone through peaceful means." That's a pretty fucked message if you ask me.


Bruh, You're a lawyer (who regularly digs into the minutia of SC cases) who complains more about BLM than the police who have been found to habitually violate Black peoples constitutional rights. You want to be left alone? Ha! You have the whole thing ass backwards. Also, this whole "but the violence!?!" thing isn't new either.

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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
January 18 2017 20:28 GMT
#131789
On January 19 2017 05:12 Introvert wrote:
Howevet from what I've read and seen most of this is partisan or ideological gnashing of teeth. These hearings are useless anyways. Don't make waves and coast by. I've seen no evidence of any competency issue and I'm not going to trust NPR snippets to find out..


She flat out lied about being on the board of her parent's foundation during the confirmation hearing.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44817 Posts
January 18 2017 20:34 GMT
#131790
On January 19 2017 05:12 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2017 04:46 Mohdoo wrote:
Are any republicans around here skeptical of Devos? She seems blatantly and hugely inexperienced. I am assuming there are plenty of republicans that support many of the same things while also being people who are at least involved in this type of thing.


Danglars might know the most, but he's gone for a few months.

Howevet from what I've read and seen most of this is partisan or ideological gnashing of teeth. These hearings are useless anyways. Don't make waves and coast by. I've seen no evidence of any competency issue and I'm not going to trust NPR snippets to find out.


Her answers aren't partisan, and the questions aren't biased either. Here's the perfect example... that she has absolutely no idea that a huge issue in education (and assessment of learning) is related to the Proficiency vs. Growth argument.

Question is asked around 1:30.



What's partisan about that? She doesn't know the difference between educational proficiency and educational growth, and it's not like liberals prefer one while conservatives prefer the other o.O Al Franken is spot on about how important this is in education.

DPB's horror is par the course in this thread so I can't say more :p


What's that mean
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23410 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-18 20:46:42
January 18 2017 20:35 GMT
#131791
On January 19 2017 05:28 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2017 05:12 Introvert wrote:
Howevet from what I've read and seen most of this is partisan or ideological gnashing of teeth. These hearings are useless anyways. Don't make waves and coast by. I've seen no evidence of any competency issue and I'm not going to trust NPR snippets to find out..


She flat out lied about being on the board of her parent's foundation during the confirmation hearing.

No it was just the mother of all clerical errors of course. DeVos is wholly unqualified by any measure *(unless the measurement is political contributions) to be in such a position.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-18 20:46:21
January 18 2017 20:42 GMT
#131792
On January 19 2017 05:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2017 05:28 Logo wrote:
On January 19 2017 05:12 Introvert wrote:
Howevet from what I've read and seen most of this is partisan or ideological gnashing of teeth. These hearings are useless anyways. Don't make waves and coast by. I've seen no evidence of any competency issue and I'm not going to trust NPR snippets to find out..


She flat out lied about being on the board of her parent's foundation during the confirmation hearing.

No it was just the mother of all clerical errors of course. DeVos is wholly unqualified by any measure to be in such a position.


The humor isn't lost on me that her excuses are about as good as "The dog ate my homework"
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4844 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-18 20:54:38
January 18 2017 20:53 GMT
#131793
On January 19 2017 05:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2017 05:12 Introvert wrote:
On January 19 2017 04:46 Mohdoo wrote:
Are any republicans around here skeptical of Devos? She seems blatantly and hugely inexperienced. I am assuming there are plenty of republicans that support many of the same things while also being people who are at least involved in this type of thing.


Danglars might know the most, but he's gone for a few months.

Howevet from what I've read and seen most of this is partisan or ideological gnashing of teeth. These hearings are useless anyways. Don't make waves and coast by. I've seen no evidence of any competency issue and I'm not going to trust NPR snippets to find out.


Her answers aren't partisan, and the questions aren't biased either. Here's the perfect example... that she has absolutely no idea that a huge issue in education (and assessment of learning) is related to the Proficiency vs. Growth argument.

Question is asked around 1:30.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF8wEH2ixak

What's partisan about that? She doesn't know the difference between educational proficiency and educational growth, and it's not like liberals prefer one while conservatives prefer the other o.O Al Franken is spot on about how important this is in education.

Show nested quote +
DPB's horror is par the course in this thread so I can't say more :p


What's that mean


I was talking about the questions from Senators are usually partisan and often irrelevent.

From the clip I saw her speaking for all of 20 seconds, which is why I give very little weight to these things.

And that last comment is a remark on the fact that often times when you come into this thread you talk as if the worst thing in the world has just happened

Now full disclosure, I don't have 3.5 hours to watch even one hearing, normally if there is a competency issue it will be pointed out by more than just a political or ideological contigent. Though that's obviously just a general rule.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23410 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-18 21:00:55
January 18 2017 20:58 GMT
#131794
On January 19 2017 05:53 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2017 05:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 19 2017 05:12 Introvert wrote:
On January 19 2017 04:46 Mohdoo wrote:
Are any republicans around here skeptical of Devos? She seems blatantly and hugely inexperienced. I am assuming there are plenty of republicans that support many of the same things while also being people who are at least involved in this type of thing.


Danglars might know the most, but he's gone for a few months.

Howevet from what I've read and seen most of this is partisan or ideological gnashing of teeth. These hearings are useless anyways. Don't make waves and coast by. I've seen no evidence of any competency issue and I'm not going to trust NPR snippets to find out.


Her answers aren't partisan, and the questions aren't biased either. Here's the perfect example... that she has absolutely no idea that a huge issue in education (and assessment of learning) is related to the Proficiency vs. Growth argument.

Question is asked around 1:30.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF8wEH2ixak

What's partisan about that? She doesn't know the difference between educational proficiency and educational growth, and it's not like liberals prefer one while conservatives prefer the other o.O Al Franken is spot on about how important this is in education.

DPB's horror is par the course in this thread so I can't say more :p


What's that mean


I was talking about the questions from Senators are usually partisan and often irrelevent.

From the clip I saw her speaking for all of 20 seconds, which is why I give very little weight to these things.

And that last comment is a remark on the fact that often times when you come into this thread you talk as if the worst thing in the world has just happened

Now full disclosure, I don't have 3.5 hours to watch even one hearing, normally if there is a competency issue it will be pointed out by more than just a political or ideological contigent. Though that's obviously just a general rule.


There's practically no one that isn't ideologically to the right/involved in privatizing schools that thinks she's remotely competent in the subject matter.

She has never worked in a school in any capacity, and does not hold a degree in education (nor did she or her children ever attend a public school) and you're still not sure whether she should be SoEd?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
January 18 2017 21:01 GMT
#131795
On January 19 2017 05:53 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2017 05:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 19 2017 05:12 Introvert wrote:
On January 19 2017 04:46 Mohdoo wrote:
Are any republicans around here skeptical of Devos? She seems blatantly and hugely inexperienced. I am assuming there are plenty of republicans that support many of the same things while also being people who are at least involved in this type of thing.


Danglars might know the most, but he's gone for a few months.

Howevet from what I've read and seen most of this is partisan or ideological gnashing of teeth. These hearings are useless anyways. Don't make waves and coast by. I've seen no evidence of any competency issue and I'm not going to trust NPR snippets to find out.


Her answers aren't partisan, and the questions aren't biased either. Here's the perfect example... that she has absolutely no idea that a huge issue in education (and assessment of learning) is related to the Proficiency vs. Growth argument.

Question is asked around 1:30.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF8wEH2ixak

What's partisan about that? She doesn't know the difference between educational proficiency and educational growth, and it's not like liberals prefer one while conservatives prefer the other o.O Al Franken is spot on about how important this is in education.

DPB's horror is par the course in this thread so I can't say more :p


What's that mean


I was talking about the questions from Senators are usually partisan and often irrelevent.

From the clip I saw her speaking for all of 20 seconds, which is why I give very little weight to these things.

And that last comment is a remark on the fact that often times when you come into this thread you talk as if the worst thing in the world has just happened

Now full disclosure, I don't have 3.5 hours to watch even one hearing, normally if there is a competency issue it will be pointed out by more than just a political or ideological contigent. Though that's obviously just a general rule.


"Blatant incompetence can't be exposed in 20 seconds"

(it can)

"Conservative news would point out incompetence in Trump's cabinet"

(it wouldn't)

"Anything from the media or this thread questioning Trump's competence is just hysteria"

(try thinking critically about individual issues)
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
January 18 2017 21:03 GMT
#131796
i only caught a fragment of her hearing, but when i heard a female committee member say "will you commit to us right now that education wont be privatized and you wont take anything out of the current budget?". her answer was rambling horseshit and the lady asking the question goes "so i take it thats a no". i wasnt sure whether to weep or laugh. its like everything is being done to fuck up the environment, the economy, education, etc, but its being done discreetly through cabinet picks. its head scratching to say the least.
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11367 Posts
January 18 2017 21:12 GMT
#131797
On January 19 2017 04:48 LegalLord wrote:
Context? Who is this guy and why should we care what his rather conspiratorial statements here are?

He's a bit of political attack dog, going all the way back to Nixon's Watergate scandal- literally. Mind you, he just played a bit part in the Watergate scandal. He has his own set of rules for politicking: "Attack, attack, attack—never defend” and “Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattack".

I don't know if it was proven exactly, but Stone had to step down from his position with the State Senate Republicans, when private investigators traced a message threatening Eliot Spitzer's father to Stone's wife.

Trump didn't much care for him at the time.
“They caught Roger red-handed lying,” Donald Trump said. “What he did was ridiculous and stupid. I lost respect for Eliot Spitzer when he didn’t sue Roger Stone for doing that to his father, who is a wonderful man.”


Source:
The New Yorker
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/06/02/the-dirty-trickster
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23410 Posts
January 18 2017 21:26 GMT
#131798
On January 19 2017 06:03 Ayaz2810 wrote:
i only caught a fragment of her hearing, but when i heard a female committee member say "will you commit to us right now that education wont be privatized and you wont take anything out of the current budget?". her answer was rambling horseshit and the lady asking the question goes "so i take it thats a no". i wasnt sure whether to weep or laugh. its like everything is being done to fuck up the environment, the economy, education, etc, but its being done discreetly through cabinet picks. its head scratching to say the least.


Well by doing it through cabinet picks Trump's tying his administration to Republicans, whatever disasters he stirs up can be attributed to the Republicans that nominated him AND the Republicans that confirmed his picks.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 18 2017 21:35 GMT
#131799
His picks look a lot like a pretty standard Republican lot anyways. I think I'll be able to survive four years of this shit.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 18 2017 22:31 GMT
#131800
Elder Bush and wife hospitalized, Trump reports.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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