EPTWho boasts on Camera about breaking international treaties and building illegal settlements, who has bombed every neighboring country despite promising Europe and the US. Who has even sabotaged R&D of allies, Israel. Hell Iran even offered to patrol and try and seal it's border with Afghanistan, and even share intelligence to try and find OBL. Wasn't Israel.
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Who boasts on Camera about breaking international treaties and building illegal settlements, who has bombed every neighboring country despite promising Europe and the US. Who has even sabotaged R&D of allies, Israel. Hell Iran even offered to patrol and try and seal it's border with Afghanistan, and even share intelligence to try and find OBL. Wasn't Israel. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On November 24 2013 12:39 itsjustatank wrote: There is no good and evil in international relations. There is threat, and dealing with threat. And there is self-interest, and acting in self-interest. i'm not international relations, I'm sam, and I'm a communist, which means I have a somewhat different normative worldview than a) you b) people who conduct international relations. | ||
itsjustatank
Hong Kong9176 Posts
Actually even they acted in self-interest termed as power. | ||
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sam!zdat
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jacevedo
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On November 24 2013 12:54 sam!zdat wrote: i'm not international relations, I'm sam, and I'm a communist, which means I have a somewhat different normative worldview than a) you b) people who conduct international relations. Does your communist utopia have something like a one-child policy? Just curious  | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On November 24 2013 12:59 jacevedo wrote: Does your communist utopia have something like a one-child policy? Just curious population has to a) regulate itself or b) be regulated. (a) isn't happening so far. either you need to find a way to change other sufficient structural conditions for (a) to occur, or (b). I'm open to suggestions. the wuwei solution is obviously preferable. if you've got some bright ideas, let's hear them | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On November 24 2013 12:59 jacevedo wrote: Does your communist utopia have something like a one-child policy? Just curious I cant fault a country with 1.2 Billion people that is roughly the size of the US for saying they needed to not have people having 5 and 6 kids because otherwise they would run out of land and food. | ||
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itsjustatank
Hong Kong9176 Posts
On November 24 2013 13:01 Adreme wrote: I cant fault a country with 1.2 Billion people that is roughly the size of the US for saying they needed to not have people having 5 and 6 kids because otherwise they would run out of land and food. it has caused a different problem entirely for them though | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
edit: re above, blaming me for stuff marxists-leninists did is like blaming protestants for shit the pope did | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On November 24 2013 13:03 itsjustatank wrote: it has caused a different problem entirely for them though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrQDcxGJqmc I see the issue but if China ever actually started to have serious population declines (and I mean to an actual serious degree not the numbers in this video) they could very easily lift the policy and while as the video pointed out many would not change enough probably would out of the Billion+ population to fix any long term population issues. | ||
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Introvert
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Adreme
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jacevedo
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I keep going back to the problem posed in Brave New World. Does a sense of well being trump everything else? | ||
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sam!zdat
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 24 2013 12:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Who boasts on Camera about breaking international treaties and building illegal settlements, who has bombed every neighboring country despite promising Europe and the US. Who has even sabotaged R&D of allies, Israel. Hell Iran even offered to patrol and try and seal it's border with Afghanistan, and even share intelligence to try and find OBL. Wasn't Israel. You're insane if you think Israel is a "geopolitical adversary" of the US in the way that Iran is. I'll just leave it at that. | ||
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Mindcrime
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Sub40APM
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On November 24 2013 13:26 Mindcrime wrote: Yeah, being an "ally," Israel's bellicosity has the potential to cause a whole lot more trouble for the US than Iran could ever hope to. Certainly if geopolitics was about 'realism' the US would have abandoned its support for Israel as soon as the USSR collapsed. Easiest political move in the history of the world. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14115 Posts
you can trust Isreal to be Isreal. Arabs get treated better there then in actual arab countries. | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
On November 24 2013 12:37 xDaunt wrote: It's not about good and evil. They're a geopolitical adversary. I'm honestly curious, what is your solution to the Iranian nuclear problem? I'm going to assume that you think whatever Obama did is terrible, I'm wondering what your alternative solution is. | ||
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