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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18855 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 03:00:53
November 24 2013 03:00 GMT
#12981
I don't think Israel will do anything too drastic; I feel as though they saw this coming, and as has been pointed out, Netanyahu would have acted by now if he thought that Israel could get away with more escalation.

Edit: Sanctions relief, interesting.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
jacevedo
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
31 Posts
November 24 2013 03:02 GMT
#12982
On November 24 2013 11:56 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 11:52 sam!zdat wrote:
On November 24 2013 11:51 Sub40APM wrote:
On November 24 2013 11:49 jacevedo wrote:
On November 24 2013 10:53 sam!zdat wrote:
i can't believe you guys are still talking about this

can we change the subject? here: http://www.sfgate.com/business/networth/article/Stock-market-gains-fuel-speculation-about-bubble-5006443.php

thesis: everything is fine, the recovery is underway and the job market will pick up any moment now. because the busyness cycle

antithesis: this is the final crisis of the capitalist system. we have nothing to lose but our chains. time to get the red flags out of storage

discuss

Thesis: This cycle has nothing to do with the capitalist system. A bubble has been manufactured by the Federal Reserve and Congress to rush us out of the previous bubble recession, which the Federal Reserve and Congress also manufactured to rush us out of the 2001 recession...

Krugman and Summers have been writing about this recently. That starting since the mid 80s the US has entered into a 'secular stagnation' where the natural state of the economy is a mild recession and that the only way to achieve 'full employment' is a series of bubbles.


yessir. yessir. that's what postmodernity is ABOUT
nice of them to finally realize.
economists need to read more lit theory OBVIOUSLY

do you have a source. is it like a blog or smth lame like that

Summers: http://equitablegrowth.org/2013/11/16/759/this-mornings-must-watch-larry-summers-on-the-danger-of-a-japan-like-generation-of-secular-stagnation-here-in-the-north-atlantic
Krugman:
Some responses: http://blogs.ft.com/gavyndavies/2013/11/17/the-implications-of-secular-stagnation/
http://crookedtimber.org/2013/11/21/if-this-is-secular-stagnation-i-want-my-old-job-back/

I found a brilliant comment in the first link:
All of human civilization is a bubble.

Ain't that the truth.
"Freedom is overrated anyway." -Kwark
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 24 2013 03:03 GMT
#12983
Israel has already burned a number of bridges thanks to it's settlements, it has even caught fire it's, what it believes, the self described indestructible bridge. The US and Israeli special relationship. India will move towards more economic relations with Iran as will Russia, China and even Europe it seems.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 24 2013 03:15 GMT
#12984
Obama about to speak,
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 03:19:27
November 24 2013 03:18 GMT
#12985
Nevermind, found one.
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9169 Posts
November 24 2013 03:27 GMT
#12986
I'm waiting to be assured that this deal assures peace in our time via live stream.
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18855 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 03:30:56
November 24 2013 03:30 GMT
#12987
Are you of the opinion that Iran is to be regarded like Nazi Germany? I can see the parallels but that figure of speech seems rather hyperbolic given what we know so far.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9169 Posts
November 24 2013 03:31 GMT
#12988
We are lifting sanctions based on assurances and trust in the hope of peace. This is empirically how rogue states take advantage of great powers.
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
November 24 2013 03:32 GMT
#12989
On November 24 2013 12:30 farvacola wrote:
Are you of the opinion that Iran is to be regarded like Nazi Germany? I can see the parallels but that figure of speech seems rather hyperbolic given what we know so far.

well, if you want to start a war with someone it helps to be hyperbolic. And comparing them to the Soviet Union implies that there is no need for a bombing campaign at behest of Israel and Saudi Arabia but rather a prolonged cold war that will eventually be won because theocracies are by their nature less efficient.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4908 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 03:36:26
November 24 2013 03:32 GMT
#12990
I don't hold much for the deal, but we can always hope. That's what the president has told me to do for all these years, anyway.

This president is a really big fan of being late. Late starts, late speeches, etc etc. I'll just catch it later. Maybe it will be several minutes shorter even; they may edit out of the "uh" and "um" bits.

edit: as I go for the close button, he appears! I forgot he has a teleprompter. Phew, at least we don't get the um parts.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 24 2013 03:35 GMT
#12991
Obama speaking.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 24 2013 03:36 GMT
#12992
On November 24 2013 12:31 itsjustatank wrote:
We are lifting sanctions based on assurances and trust in the hope of peace. This is empirically how rogue states take advantage of great powers.

This is what I'm afraid of. It'll probably take 6 months or so to know how this will shake out. If it works, great. I'm just not expecting it.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 03:37:41
November 24 2013 03:36 GMT
#12993
Iran is a lot less evil than you've been led to believe. Israel is more evil than Iran, when it comes down to it
shikata ga nai
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 24 2013 03:37 GMT
#12994
Fact Sheet: First Step Understandings Regarding the Islamic Republic of Iran’s Nuclear Program:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A9QCW8eoZ4jScgiyOWAgm0XiJ4Pd0AfdSoW20mkkffs/preview?sle=true#heading=h.ggj9nwbtjtxa
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 24 2013 03:37 GMT
#12995
On November 24 2013 12:36 sam!zdat wrote:
Iran is a lot less evil than you've been led to believe

It's not about good and evil. They're a geopolitical adversary.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 03:39:08
November 24 2013 03:38 GMT
#12996
On November 24 2013 12:37 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 12:36 sam!zdat wrote:
Iran is a lot less evil than you've been led to believe

It's not about good and evil. They're a geopolitical adversary.


so good. hopefully they can establish a regional hegemony. they aren't wahhabists
shikata ga nai
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 03:39:07
November 24 2013 03:38 GMT
#12997
On November 24 2013 12:37 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 12:36 sam!zdat wrote:
Iran is a lot less evil than you've been led to believe

It's not about good and evil. They're a geopolitical adversary.


By that logic Israel is a far bigger threat.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9169 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 03:40:16
November 24 2013 03:39 GMT
#12998
On November 24 2013 12:36 sam!zdat wrote:
Iran is a lot less evil than you've been led to believe. Israel is more evil than Iran, when it comes down to it


There is no good and evil in international relations. There is threat, and dealing with threat. And there is self-interest, and acting in self-interest.
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
November 24 2013 03:40 GMT
#12999
On November 24 2013 12:37 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 12:36 sam!zdat wrote:
Iran is a lot less evil than you've been led to believe

It's not about good and evil. They're a geopolitical adversary.

bogged down in what soon to be a 3 front guerrilla war. their biggest impact on America was their impact on the global oil price.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 24 2013 03:41 GMT
#13000
On November 24 2013 12:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 12:37 xDaunt wrote:
On November 24 2013 12:36 sam!zdat wrote:
Iran is a lot less evil than you've been led to believe

It's not about good and evil. They're a geopolitical adversary.


By that logic Israel is a far bigger threat.

Uh, not quite.
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