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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9244 Posts
On November 09 2016 22:37 parkufarku wrote: Bernie supporter here (minority citizen too). I voted for Bernie. Did not vote for Hillary or Trump, but kinda glad Trump won. Fuck the establishment for thinking they can rig primaries for the much more unfavorable candidate and get away with it. Also fuck them for manipulating media to coronate Hillary as victor. They would've had my vote if they played fair & square. You reap what you sow. A ton of other Bernie supporters were disillusioned and wanted to watch US burn for playing dirty. Bernie did really well with white working class. Guess which group of ppl just voted Trump into the white house? Where is Plansix now? Guess which group of people has the most to suffer from telling the nation and the world that the traits your society respects and wants to encourage more of are being a vain reactionary conspiracy theorist and compulsive liar with contempt for science and intellectualism, that finds his ignorance just as good as anyone's knowledge as long he yells it loudly and confidently? When you elect your leader and your image you are making that statement. Yes, Clinton has a couple of those as well + a few more of her own, nothing on this scale though. You have chosen to elevate 'fake it til you make it' from an obnoxious subculture to national ethos. Don't expect this to go away after 4 years, and to magically resume a path to social democracy. This choice will have cultural implications for decades to come. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On November 09 2016 22:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: What are some policy/ program changes that we can expect over the next four years, since all three branches of government will be Republican-controlled and we won't have any checks and balances? 1. Obamacare will be repealed? 2. Abortion may be nationally outlawed? 3. The climate change conversation is over? 4. Gay marriage might be repealed? 5. ??? Massive tax cuts for the rich, I guess. Protectionism for those who control the country, not those who do the work. So basically everything that Bernie stood against. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
The Democrats will now control next to nothing above the municipal level. Donald Trump will be president. We are going to be unpacking this night for the rest of our lives, and lives beyond that. We can’t comprehend even 1 percent of what’s just happened. But one aspect of it, minor in the overall sweep, that I’m pretty sure we can comprehend well enough right now: The Democratic Party establishment has beclowned itself and is finished. I think of the lawmakers, the consultants, the operatives, and—yes—the center-left media, and how everything said over the past few years leading up to this night was bullshit. The midterm losses? That was just a bad cycle, structurally speaking; presidential demographics would make up for it. The party establishment made a grievous mistake rallying around Hillary Clinton. It wasn’t just a lack of recent political seasoning. She was a bad candidate, with no message beyond heckling the opposite sideline. She was a total misfit for both the politics of 2016 and the energy of the Democratic Party as currently constituted. She could not escape her baggage, and she must own that failure herself. Theoretically smart people in the Democratic Party should have known that. And yet they worked giddily to clear the field for her. Every power-hungry young Democrat fresh out of law school, every rising lawmaker, every old friend of the Clintons wanted a piece of the action. This was their ride up the power chain. The whole edifice was hollow, built atop the same unearned sense of inevitability that surrounded Clinton in 2008, and it collapsed, just as it collapsed in 2008, only a little later in the calendar. The voters of the party got taken for a ride by the people who controlled it, the ones who promised they had everything figured out and sneeringly dismissed anyone who suggested otherwise. They promised that Hillary Clinton had a lock on the Electoral College. These people didn’t know what they were talking about, and too many of us in the media thought they did. We should blame all those people around the Clintons more than the Clintons themselves, and the Clintons themselves deserve a ridiculous amount of blame. Hillary Clinton was just an ambitious person who wanted to be president. There are a lot of people like that. But she was enabled. The Democratic establishment is a club unwelcoming to outsiders, because outsiders don’t first look out for the club. The Clintons will be gone now. For the sake of the country, let them take the hangers-on with them. What was the line? Hillary Clinton would do well in a general election, because she’d been “vetted” for 20-some years and there was nothing new Republicans could try? Just writing that, I recognize that it’s the funniest line I’ve ever seen, and yet it was the exact argument Clinton used in two separate campaigns for the Democratic nomination. The ace ground game, the brilliant ad-makers, the top Hollywood talent, and the best analytics operation ever assembled? This was all a joke. The best analytics team in the world, apparently, couldn’t find in their numbers that it was worth making a single stop to Wisconsin following the convention in a campaign against a Republican whose base appeal was in the Rust Belt. Not that an extra visit would have changed the result. Think of how wrong the entire national media conversation was—and yes, I contributed my fair share—about how the Republicans were being torn apart as a party. I prewrote a piece Tuesday afternoon, to be published in the event of the expected Clinton win, pushing back against both myself and other members of the media, arguing that Democrats and Republicans were both in existential trouble and that, in the short-term context of a decaying political system, Republicans might even have the edge: Democrats could win the presidency most of the time but never a majority of state governments or the House; while Republicans could always win the majority of state governments and the House, and occasionally—probably in 2020, I thought—the White House. This was wrong. Republicans don’t have a slight edge over Democrats in a decaying political system. Republicans are ascendant. Trump has given them a mission. The country is now theirs. Whoever takes over what’s left of the Democratic Party is going to have to find a way to appeal to a broader cross section of the country. It may still be true that in the long term, Republicans can’t win with their demographics, but we found out Tuesday that the long term is still pretty far away. Democrats have to win more white voters. They have to do so in a way that doesn’t erode the anti-racist or anti-sexist planks of the modern party, which are non-negotiable. If only there were a model for this. The few Democratic leaders who remain are going to say that it was just a bad note struck here or there, or the lazy Bernie voters who didn’t show up, or Jim Comey, or unfair media coverage of Clinton’s emails, to blame for this loss. I am already seeing Democrats blaming the Electoral College, which until a few hours ago was hailed as the great protector of Democratic virtue for decades to come, and Republicans were silly for not understanding how to crack the blue “wall.” They will say, just wait for Republicans to overreach. Then we’ll be fine. Don’t listen to any of this. Everything is not OK. This is not OK. 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RvB
Netherlands6313 Posts
On November 09 2016 22:36 Silvanel wrote: I also couldnt understand those arguments against Bernie. The Republicans will go batshit crazy at the very mention of socialism? So what? They arent going to vote for Democrat either way. Red state wont go Blue and vice versa. Only thing that matters in presidentail election are swing states and moderate/indpendent voters. And how would Bernie attract those moderate voters? Clinton is the candidate for the moderate not Bernie or Trump. Bernie couldn't even beat Clinton why should be able to beat Trump, only because he's not from the establishment? The DNC was obviously against Sanders but so was the RNC against Trump yet Trump won the nomination and Sanders didn't. The Democrats were simply stuck with 2 very weak candidates. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On November 09 2016 22:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: What are some policy/ program changes that we can expect over the next four years, since all three branches of government will be Republican-controlled and we won't have any checks and balances? 1. Obamacare will be repealed? 2. Abortion may be nationally outlawed? 3. The climate change conversation is over? 4. Gay marriage might be repealed? 5. ??? 1. Likely. It will be under Ryan's schematic though, not Trump's. We'll get that treasured "insurance across state lines and block Medicaid grants" for certain. 2. I think this is unlikely. I don't think SCOTUS would argue that falls under Congressional powers unless ludicrously stacked with Pence-clones, and an amendment won't make it. It will almost certainly go totally illegal in several states (North Dakota actually has a prewritten law for it the instant Roe v. Wade is overturned) without having to rely on the weird personhood laws. 3. It's game over for climate change. That was all in the executive house. 4. We'll see a new DOMA and attempts for a constitutional amendment making gay marriage illegal. Personally, I think it is likely to fail, but its chances of success are hard to assess. 5. Iran deal is going to go nuclear in a way nobody understands at all, least of all the countries involved and Trump. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
On November 09 2016 22:58 RvB wrote: And how would Bernie attract those moderate voters? Clinton is the candidate for the moderate not Bernie or Trump. Bernie couldn't even beat Clinton why should be able to beat Trump, only because he's not from the establishment? The DNC was obviously against Sanders but so was the RNC against Trump yet Trump won the nomination and Sanders didn't. Well i think the results clearly showed that moderate voted anty-establishment this time. I also think that Berni would have much easier time connecting to working class and winning their votes than Hilary. Anyway i am not saying he would have won election, i am just saying i dont understant the key argument against him. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On November 09 2016 22:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: What are some policy/ program changes that we can expect over the next four years, since all three branches of government will be Republican-controlled and we won't have any checks and balances? 1. Obamacare will be repealed? 2. Abortion may be nationally outlawed? 3. The climate change conversation is over? 4. Gay marriage might be repealed? 5. ??? Yes those are the biggest issues here. I'm hoping that the Republicans don't come back on the good things that Obama has done | ||
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Miragee
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On November 09 2016 22:21 Furikawari wrote: Dismantling nuclear weapon will never happen as long as Putin is here, sadly. France still has nuclear weapons as well. On a more serious note: I don't like Putin and the way he handles political opponents. However, he gets demonised way too much. The problem is coming from both sides. Do you think the US has been making one step towards russia? I think Putin has made more attempts at solving the conflict between them and the US than the other way around. The problem isn't Putin alone the problem is that both parties are still stuck in their cold-war mindset. | ||
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
On November 09 2016 22:47 a_flayer wrote: It is indeed a terrifying notion. You guys reconsidering leaving at all? Maybe the EU doesn't seem to bad now that there's this potential madman in office across the pond? The only ray of hope in my life at the moment is that the EU is considering offering an opt-in for Brits to retain their EU citizenship on an individual basis (thus retaining some abridged rights like freedom of movement and freedom to seek work). That's genius. Brexit supporters described it as 'outrageous' and 'discriminating against leavers' (despite the fact leave voters would be able to apply too), and said that since the majority(ish) wanted Brexit we're all getting it whether we like it or not. Bit like the kid who says he's taking his ball and going home, only to find that everyone else brought a ball too. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18431 Posts
On November 09 2016 22:18 TheTenthDoc wrote: Sanders wouldn't have easily won, but even a 1-2% gain in PA and WI would have won him the college even if he got the same vote share. He's less appealing in red states than Clinton...but overperforming there didn't end up helping her one iota in the electoral college. Even though Trump clearly has no idea what NAFTA and TPP are, those issues clearly resonated with enough people to tip those states-Sanders opposed both. The only really good thing I see coming out of this is that if Trump is so opposed to trade deals, TTIP is almost certainly off the table. For the wrong reasons, but I'll take the wins where we can. | ||
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Little-Chimp
Canada949 Posts
On November 09 2016 22:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: What are some policy/ program changes that we can expect over the next four years, since all three branches of government will be Republican-controlled and we won't have any checks and balances? 1. Obamacare will be repealed? 2. Abortion may be nationally outlawed? 3. The climate change conversation is over? 4. Gay marriage might be repealed? 5. ??? First 3... maybe. I don't think 4 would happen based on his previous words but who knows what kind of influence Pence will eventually have on him. | ||
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Kaiwa
Netherlands2209 Posts
On November 09 2016 21:54 NeverUnlucky wrote: So many Americans were interested in migrating to Canada after Trump's election that its immigration website crashed. They should try to immigrate to Mexico instead. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22557 Posts
On November 09 2016 23:08 Little-Chimp wrote: First 3... maybe. I don't think 4 would happen based on his previous words but who knows what kind of influence Pence will eventually have on him. Remember Kasich was offered the Presidency by Trump. I have no reason to believe Pence got a worse deal. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18431 Posts
Seems unlikely. Given that he won 58% of the white vote, it seems unlikely there's a larger percentage of women than men in that block. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
look past employment rate, the proxy for explaining the participation rate is labor market friction. how long it takes to find a job, whether job expectations mismatch outcome, what are the expectations for a new hire relative to less churning times. https://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/page1-econ/2016/02/01/making-sense-of-unemployment-data/ stress for the next generation is part of the anxiety for the older generation. this really explains the sanders situation and some of the wrong track numbers for small town america. given magnitude of trump edge in rural areas this was an issues vs values election for these people, and they were motivated by the issues. specifically, how did my family get stuck in this mud. trump scandals are fun and games reality tv, entertainment. these people are past that point. nafta being extremely toxic in the rustbelt ended up the dagger vs hrc, as a symbolic explanation. media environment, hrc fighting a two front war etc, were influential and perhaps outcome deciding, but the larger issue is the rise in trump rural vote, including a big chunk of suburbs | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On November 09 2016 23:12 Acrofales wrote: Seems unlikely. Given that he won 58% of the white vote, it seems unlikely there's a larger percentage of women than men in that block. Acording to CNN he got 53% of white women http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls/national/president Can't remember where I saw 60% but i did see it :/ | ||
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