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riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3393 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-08 12:42:24
November 08 2016 11:45 GMT
#119501
So aside from President, Senator, and Representative, there were six other positions to be filled on my ballot with a bunch of candidates whose names I don't know. There were Councilman, District Attorney, and a Supreme Court thingy (get to vote twice for this) among other stuff. Not knowing what these positions do nor what the candidates stood for, I just voted the same/similar party across the board for the most part. Probably should've left those blank? *shrug
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44257 Posts
November 08 2016 11:55 GMT
#119502
These feels...

"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
November 08 2016 12:03 GMT
#119503
I don't think this was already posted (see my previous post for a survey of how IR scholars feel about the positions of Clinton and Trump on a variety of issues):

Political Scientists' statement of concern about Donald Trump

Political scientists seek to understand politics, not engage in politics. Yet our profession has always had strong normative commitments at its foundation: a conviction that peace is preferable to war, freedom to tyranny, justice to injustice, equality to inequality, democracy to authoritarianism. As John Adams wrote in 1780, in the Massachusetts Constitution, the fundamental premise of American self-government is that it “be a government of laws, and not of men.”
It is in this spirit that we are voicing our collective concern about Donald Trump. Throughout the course of the U.S. presidential campaign, Trump has repeatedly questioned and attacked the core institutions and norms that make democracy work. Such attacks by a major presidential candidate are unprecedented in American history but they are entirely familiar to those of us who study other parts of the world. Specifically, we are deeply concerned about the prospect of a Trump presidency for the following reasons:

1. He has cast doubt on the validity of the election process, without any supporting evidence.
2. He has stated that he may reject the outcome of a free election if he does not win.
3. He has encouraged supporters to engage in voter suppression and intimidation.
4. He has threatened to jail the leader of the opposition party.
5. He has questioned the independence of the judiciary and the impartiality of judges based on their race, ethnicity, religion, and parentage.
6. He has impugned the loyalty of citizens and other persons in the United States on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion, and country of birth.
7. He has endangered freedom of the press by intimidating individual journalists, banning major news organizations from his rallies, and promising to change libel laws.
8. He has called for the proliferation of nuclear weapons.
9. He has threatened to destroy the strategic basis of NATO, the most important security alliance of the last seventy years, by questioning the commitment of the United States to regard an attack on any member state as an attack on all.

For all these reasons and despite our own differences on matters of politics and partisanship, we stand united in the conviction that a Trump presidency would pose a grave threat to American democracy and to other democratic governments around the world. We call on voters to consider this threat when they cast their votes.

A long list of signatures follows: source
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
November 08 2016 12:18 GMT
#119504
Wonder what the probability of Romney going for the 2020 election would be.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
November 08 2016 12:20 GMT
#119505
Almost zero, I'd say. Ryan, though, that's a different story.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
November 08 2016 12:37 GMT
#119506
I'm just popping in for today. Shoutout to ABL
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
November 08 2016 12:40 GMT
#119507
It'll be a long day, methinks; friends at opening polls in Toledo, Cleveland, Detroit, East Lansing, and Columbus are all reporting longer wait times than ever.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 08 2016 13:13 GMT
#119508
Of course the more people that vote the more liberal the outcome tends to be, hence hoping people leave after waiting so long.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
November 08 2016 13:36 GMT
#119509
The only way I can think of Trump having a chance in winning is low pro Hillary voter turnout. IMO Trump supporters are a lot more zealous towards him, while I think this isnt the case on Hillary's side as a lot of her voters will vote for her only as a lesser evil and also don't see her as a perfect candidate giving her flaws,
sorry for dem one liners
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44257 Posts
November 08 2016 13:40 GMT
#119510
On November 08 2016 21:40 farvacola wrote:
It'll be a long day, methinks; friends at opening polls in Toledo, Cleveland, Detroit, East Lansing, and Columbus are all reporting longer wait times than ever.


Took me 15 minutes in New Jersey, like usual... I wish that it was that efficient everywhere!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-08 13:42:31
November 08 2016 13:42 GMT
#119511
On November 08 2016 22:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2016 21:40 farvacola wrote:
It'll be a long day, methinks; friends at opening polls in Toledo, Cleveland, Detroit, East Lansing, and Columbus are all reporting longer wait times than ever.


Took me 15 minutes in New Jersey, like usual... I wish that it was that efficient everywhere!

From what I can tell, east coast states have the best run elections in the US, so color me unsurprised
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19231 Posts
November 08 2016 13:48 GMT
#119512
On November 08 2016 22:42 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2016 22:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 08 2016 21:40 farvacola wrote:
It'll be a long day, methinks; friends at opening polls in Toledo, Cleveland, Detroit, East Lansing, and Columbus are all reporting longer wait times than ever.


Took me 15 minutes in New Jersey, like usual... I wish that it was that efficient everywhere!

From what I can tell, east coast states have the best run elections in the US, so color me unsurprised

Oh great. So we are through giving my state of Florida a hard time for the recount vote?
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-08 13:51:23
November 08 2016 13:50 GMT
#119513


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3393 Posts
November 08 2016 13:51 GMT
#119514
NO RECOUNTS ALLOWED
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
November 08 2016 13:52 GMT
#119515
I use "east coast states" to refer to coastal states Virginia and northward, so I should have said New England I suppose. Florida gets no pass from me
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 08 2016 14:06 GMT
#119516
Georgia, North and South Carolina are not included in the East Coast club. They are, and always will be, the South.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
November 08 2016 14:07 GMT
#119517
Whats the best place to follow this whole circus? Votes etc.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
November 08 2016 14:10 GMT
#119518
On November 08 2016 20:45 riotjune wrote:
So aside from President, Senator, and Representative, there were six other positions to be filled on my ballot with a bunch of candidates whose names I don't know. There were Councilman, District Attorney, and a Supreme Court thingy (get to vote twice for this) among other stuff. Not knowing what these positions do nor what the candidates stood for, I just voted the same/similar party across the board for the most part. Probably should've left those blank? *shrug

this is one of my perennial complaints about the system.
I think, at the very least, there should be at the polling place a resume with the CV of each candidate, and a short statement by them, so if you don't recognize who the people are, you at least have something to base a vote on for the minor races you might not have known about and looked at beforehand.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
November 08 2016 14:11 GMT
#119519
On November 08 2016 22:36 NukeD wrote:
The only way I can think of Trump having a chance in winning is low pro Hillary voter turnout. IMO Trump supporters are a lot more zealous towards him, while I think this isnt the case on Hillary's side as a lot of her voters will vote for her only as a lesser evil and also don't see her as a perfect candidate giving her flaws,

A CBS News/NYT poll showing the opposite was just released (Q9).
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13910 Posts
November 08 2016 14:15 GMT
#119520
sadly theres going to be a lot of shit and nothing really to bite on until the polls start closing. luckily thats a uniform thing in the nation if not for the votes to come counting in.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
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