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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:11 Plansix wrote: If you look at the data for NH, it doesn't appear there are a lot of polls going for Trump. A few ties. It is worrying, but not the worst. What you really should be concerned about is the possibility that the polls get even worse than they are right now. The trends suggest that they might. | ||
KwarK
United States41989 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:12 KwarK wrote: And Maine state vote, he needs that to not draw. Who do you think would win in a draw? | ||
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KwarK
United States41989 Posts
Anyone but the American people. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13750 Posts
Trump needs a lot of coin flips to win while Hillary needs very little to win. People doubted nate silver back in 2012 and he was almost right on the money. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:14 KwarK wrote: Bio, I always ask you this and you never reply. What do you believe Bill made Lynch do? No idea, just looks bad. With wikileaks showing hints from DOJ attorney and Clinton campaign, FBI leaks stating DOJ is preventing their investigation from continuing which caused them such frustration that they are disobeying orders, any reasonable person would conclude there is some level of internal collusion driving this heresy if they put all of these pieces together. Instead the most unreasonable assumption is being made: FBI trumpkin agents have gone rogue, which is laughable. | ||
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CannonsNCarriers
United States638 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:06 zlefin wrote: mildly appalled, not that surprised though, given how partisan many people are atm. They might well get in trouble for those leaks, which I wouldn't mind. I don't think Comey, or anyone else could've stopped such leaks; the country is sufficiently polarized that some people will feel the need to leak, even if it jeopardizes their career. The best that can be done is to punish the leakers (if they violated the law and/or agency rules). My concern is the corrosion of Democracy. The FBI has a very bad history here and we are quickly returning that history. The feedback loop is supposed to be: FBI troops investigate in secret FBI bosses review in secret FBI bosses report to DOJ in secret DOJ makes a decision on charges/indictment and to go public Now we have Trumpkin agents going rogue and feeding friendly media sources accusations (see also, the 99% chance HRC's server was hacked even though no evidence has been presented). Right wing media will Trumpet these claims like they are facts without having to show the underlying facts to back them up. FBI troops can now generate news cycles at their own discretion. 99% chance http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/breaking-fbi-now-99-certain-least-5-foreign-services-hacked-hillarys-server/ FBI troops getting shut down, going rogue http://www.wsj.com/articles/secret-recordings-fueled-fbi-feud-in-clinton-probe-1478135518 | ||
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Sermokala
United States13750 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:14 KwarK wrote: Bio, I always ask you this and you never reply. What do you believe Bill made Lynch do? That's just the thing he made her refuse herself and throw shade on the investigation. The FBI was forced into transparency beacuse of it and that's why they had to announce the reopening days ago. The thing people are missing is the relationship between transparency and partisanship. People like transparency in government when it works for them aparently. | ||
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KwarK
United States41989 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:17 Sermokala wrote: The dems have to be going huge on early voting initiatives in Florida ever since 2000. Trump needs a lot of coin flips to win while Hillary needs very little to win. People doubted nate silver back in 2012 and he was almost right on the money. Nate is saying it looks like Clinton but Trump is within the margin of error and if the same error replicates itself in multiple states, which is likely because they're correlated outcomes, then Trump has a path to victory, albeit still only if he can break the firewall. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:17 Sermokala wrote: The dems have to be going huge on early voting initiatives in Florida ever since 2000. Trump needs a lot of coin flips to win while Hillary needs very little to win. People doubted nate silver back in 2012 and he was almost right on the money. Nate was lucky. Statistically sound, but very, very lucky; see my earlier mega-post. And if you trust him, even he says this election is too close to call. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
Trump wins in a draw because the house would vote him president. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:18 biology]major wrote: No idea, just looks bad. With wikileaks showing hints from DOJ attorney and Clinton campaign, FBI leaks stating DOJ is preventing their investigation from continuing which caused them such frustration that they are disobeying orders, any reasonable person would conclude there is some level of internal collusion driving this heresy if they put all of these pieces together. Instead the most unreasonable assumption is being made: FBI trumpkin agents have gone rogue, which is laughable. I'll take your word for it that your assumptions are reasonable and ours are not. | ||
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CannonsNCarriers
United States638 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:18 biology]major wrote: No idea, just looks bad. With wikileaks showing hints from DOJ attorney and Clinton campaign, FBI leaks stating DOJ is preventing their investigation from continuing which caused them such frustration that they are disobeying orders, any reasonable person would conclude there is some level of internal collusion driving this heresy if they put all of these pieces together. Instead the most unreasonable assumption is being made: FBI trumpkin agents have gone rogue, which is laughable. Watch the Lou Dobbs video. Yes, FBI Trumpkins are going rogue. No evidence of server hacking presented, instead just the "confidence" of rogue agents bypassing the DOJ and going straight to friendly media. | ||
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KwarK
United States41989 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:19 Sermokala wrote: That's just the thing he made her refuse herself and throw shade on the investigation. The FBI was forced into transparency beacuse of it and that's why they had to announce the reopening days ago. But she was already not involved. Lynch said that she wasn't going to get involved due to her position as a political appointment potentially undermining the integrity of the investigation by the implication of partisanship. So she resolved herself to stay out of it, and said as much. Then, a few months later, Bill met with her. People cried out that it was an attempt to influence the process so Lynch again stated that she was not involved and that was literally the end of it. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:21 CannonsNCarriers wrote: Watch the Lou Dobbs video. Yes, FBI Trumpkins are going rogue. No evidence of server hacking presented, instead just the "confidence" of rogue agents bypassing the DOJ and going straight to friendly media. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47XG_r0gUF8 Why would they go through the media if they couldn't go through the DOJ? | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:21 Adreme wrote: Trump wins in a draw because the house would vote him president. Would they? I really have no idea how that would go. I'm sure the House would want to vote in Hillary but the Republican candidates have a reelection to think about. It would not end well, at all. | ||
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KwarK
United States41989 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:23 biology]major wrote: Why would they go through the media if they couldn't go through the DOJ? Um their case sucked and they didn't like that they couldn't proceed. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13750 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:22 KwarK wrote: But she was already not involved. Lynch said that she wasn't going to get involved due to her position as a political appointment potentially undermining the integrity of the investigation by the implication of partisanship. So she resolved herself to stay out of it, and said as much. Then, a few months later, Bill met with her. People cried out that it was an attempt to influence the process so Lynch again stated that she was not involved and that was literally the end of it. But it wasn't. For better or for worse once there are questions asked about the impartially of an investigation you either need to confirm your right to secret investigation or open the doors to disprove the acusations. The FBI and Comey went for transparency and declared that they closed the investigation which was a boost for Hillary. Once more evidence came to him he was forced to reopen and retract that public statement. If he had kept his secrecy from the start people would be only softly asking questions and conspiracy theory weaving about her emails expecially with wiki leaks propelling the story. | ||
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oBlade
United States5294 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:24 LegalLord wrote: Would they? I really have no idea how that would go. I'm sure the House would want to vote in Hillary but the Republican candidates have a reelection to think about. It would not end well, at all. It's easy for Trump to win because the states vote as blocks and you only need 26. | ||
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