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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
November 03 2016 16:38 GMT
#117821
Not trying to say this is pertinent to the Daily Beast, but the Fox News website has been a total Trump cheerleading portal for a while now. I think it is worse than CNN and other sites. There's not even much non-election news, it's just all slanted election stuff. They clearly are embracing the Trumpist faction wholeheartedly. One might argue they are moving further right.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
November 03 2016 16:42 GMT
#117822
That seems a bit surprising, I thought the people in charge of fox would push more establishment; are they worried about losing market share if they don't?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
November 03 2016 16:51 GMT
#117823
On November 04 2016 01:42 zlefin wrote:
That seems a bit surprising, I thought the people in charge of fox would push more establishment; are they worried about losing market share if they don't?


At the end of the day, a significant portion of the GOP sides with Trump in the Ryan vs Trump feud.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 03 2016 16:55 GMT
#117824
Fox only cares about ratings and any negative reporting on Trump hurts those ratings.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-03 17:07:10
November 03 2016 17:03 GMT
#117825
On November 04 2016 01:26 Plansix wrote:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/secret-recordings-fueled-fbi-feud-in-clinton-probe-1478135518

The journal is reporting similar stories that agents felt they had enough to proceed with a case against the CF and were told the evidence was not enough to merit charges. The fact that all of this is coming out in the last week of the election.

I will say that upon further review, the article I previously posted makes some mental leaps that are not validated by evidence. I don’t think they are 100% unlikely, but they lack evidence to support.


I've criticized you plenty in the past for lazying posting, so I'll take this chance to commend you on the self-reflection.
EDIT: No, I don't suffer from delusions of grandeur and expect my approval to be in any way really important to you, but fair should be fair.

I'm not sure if it's the fatigue of the election marathon getting to this thread or what, but it has almost been a downright pleasure to read today. The discussion of the statistics behind polls was a special treat which I found incredibly well-explained.

EDIT2: And Legallord with the jinx.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 03 2016 17:06 GMT
#117826
On the bright side, we haven't had a "what is racism" discussion in a few weeks. That's a huge plus.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 03 2016 17:09 GMT
#117827
Ban TPM and I will consider a ban on Daily Beast.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44256 Posts
November 03 2016 17:12 GMT
#117828
TPM?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
November 03 2016 17:13 GMT
#117829
On November 04 2016 02:12 KwarK wrote:
TPM?


talking points memo?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 03 2016 17:13 GMT
#117830
Talking points memo I think.

Twitter is another questionable one; maybe not entirely bad but with a high stupid to usefulness ratio.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-03 17:15:43
November 03 2016 17:14 GMT
#117831
Talking points memo. Their bias is strong, but their articles are reasonably well written.

I will take twitter if everyone fully accepts that hot takes and first impressions are generally garbage. Twitter is second to none at provided live updates of something that is happening.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
November 03 2016 17:18 GMT
#117832
I think Twitter posts are fine as long as they are made by actual journalists. The shit we saw during a primary where some kid takes a shitty video of a voting machine malfunctioning is just trash.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
November 03 2016 17:21 GMT
#117833
I'd say ban breitbart and infowars, but then I don't think the right would have anything left to source.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 03 2016 17:21 GMT
#117834
I have said this before, but twitter is 4chan that tricked celebrities into signing up. It has all the flaws of 4chan unless the person who is posting is willing to confirm who they are and why they should be listened to.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
November 03 2016 17:34 GMT
#117835
On November 04 2016 01:38 Doodsmack wrote:
Not trying to say this is pertinent to the Daily Beast, but the Fox News website has been a total Trump cheerleading portal for a while now. I think it is worse than CNN and other sites. There's not even much non-election news, it's just all slanted election stuff. They clearly are embracing the Trumpist faction wholeheartedly. One might argue they are moving further right.


I agree they are cheerleading for Trump given this new opening, but there is a complete disregard for HRC's cheating in debates, probe into CF, leaks from FBI agents from the rest of MSM. I don't blame Fox for trying to balance out that equation. Brett Baier is a solid reporter, and he is the one who has reported on most of the leaks about foreign actors accessing private server, 'avalanche' of evidence against CF, and DOJ trying to stop the investigation.
Question.?
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
November 03 2016 17:43 GMT
#117836
On November 04 2016 02:34 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 01:38 Doodsmack wrote:
Not trying to say this is pertinent to the Daily Beast, but the Fox News website has been a total Trump cheerleading portal for a while now. I think it is worse than CNN and other sites. There's not even much non-election news, it's just all slanted election stuff. They clearly are embracing the Trumpist faction wholeheartedly. One might argue they are moving further right.


I agree they are cheerleading for Trump given this new opening, but there is a complete disregard for HRC's cheating in debates, probe into CF, leaks from FBI agents from the rest of MSM. I don't blame Fox for trying to balance out that equation. Brett Baier is a solid reporter, and he is the one who has reported on most of the leaks about foreign actors accessing private server, 'avalanche' of evidence against CF, and DOJ trying to stop the investigation.


You could say the same about any concrete Trump policy standpoint (especially beyond taxes & immigration) and he's gotten a golden ticket on that front. Most of Trumps policies are, "I'm going to do something and it will be great"
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
November 03 2016 17:43 GMT
#117837
On November 04 2016 02:34 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 01:38 Doodsmack wrote:
Not trying to say this is pertinent to the Daily Beast, but the Fox News website has been a total Trump cheerleading portal for a while now. I think it is worse than CNN and other sites. There's not even much non-election news, it's just all slanted election stuff. They clearly are embracing the Trumpist faction wholeheartedly. One might argue they are moving further right.


I agree they are cheerleading for Trump given this new opening, but there is a complete disregard for HRC's cheating in debates, probe into CF, leaks from FBI agents from the rest of MSM. I don't blame Fox for trying to balance out that equation. Brett Baier is a solid reporter, and he is the one who has reported on most of the leaks about foreign actors accessing private server, 'avalanche' of evidence against CF, and DOJ trying to stop the investigation.

the other media have been reporting on those things, when there's something credible to report.
we've been over this, you're just seeing things with too much of a bias. fox isn't balancing anything. don't use golden mean fallacy.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
November 03 2016 17:46 GMT
#117838
Fox has an honesty issue that is unique to them.

"Fair and Balanced"
CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
November 03 2016 17:46 GMT
#117839
Good journalism doesn't involve balancing the tone of coverage based upon other what other people are saying. That is ridiculous.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 03 2016 17:49 GMT
#117840
Florida early voting just passed the 2012 early voting total.
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