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Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
October 25 2013 20:50 GMT
#11401
On October 26 2013 05:41 FrankDaTank wrote:
Anyone see Russel Brands interview calling for a revolution?

Russell Brand is insane... I put no stock in what he says........ he divorced katy perry! xD
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
October 25 2013 20:54 GMT
#11402
On October 26 2013 05:36 Sermokala wrote:
Trolling is also a term for moveing slowly through the water when fishing ie a trolling motor. Patent trolling follows this version of trolling.


Bora Pain minha porra!
HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
October 25 2013 21:05 GMT
#11403
On October 26 2013 05:41 FrankDaTank wrote:
Anyone see Russel Brands interview calling for a revolution?


Yes, I posted my thoughts here, in the UK Politics thread.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
October 25 2013 21:14 GMT
#11404
On October 26 2013 05:38 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 05:29 Sub40APM wrote:
On October 26 2013 05:19 HunterX11 wrote:
On October 26 2013 04:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has threatened to block the nomination of Janet Yellen to chair the Federal Reserve, CNBC reported Friday.

Citing a source close to Paul, CNBC wrote that the Kentucky Republican "is insisting on a vote on his Fed transparency bill, and has informed Senate leadership of his intentions."

The bill in question, the Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2011, would eliminate current audit restrictions placed on the Government Accountability Office and require the Fed to undergo a complete audit by a specific deadline. Similar legislation was championed in the House by Paul's father, former GOP presidential candidate and Texas Rep. Ron Paul.

The senator hinted at his plans in a video message Thursday for his father's political group, Campaign for Liberty.

"There's no time to waste. Right now, the U.S. Senate is preparing to debate and confirm the new Obama nominee to chair the Federal Reserve," Paul says in a voiceover. "I say not so fast. I say vote no on a new Fed chairman without a vote on my Audit the Fed bill."


Source


Ron Paul's "audit the Fed" bill was also supported by Dennis Kucinich, of all people! Even though of course Paul's (and now Paul's) motivations are more along the lines of "END THE FED", this is probably one of those broken-clock good ideas.

good ideas? this is literally one of the dumbest ideas from the GOP's crazy wing. And they have lots of really stupid ideas.


What's so bad about auditing the Fed?
its the first step in a populist attempt to bring back the gold standard.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
October 25 2013 21:22 GMT
#11405
Perhaps, but I don't particularly like slippery slope arguments. As an isolated law, is it really that bad? Genuinely curious since I'm not sure what completely auditing the Fed fully entails.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 21:29:01
October 25 2013 21:27 GMT
#11406
On October 26 2013 05:36 Sermokala wrote:
Trolling is also a term for moveing slowly through the water when fishing ie a trolling motor. Patent trolling follows this version of trolling.

the origin of the term patent trolling can be found in this podcast with an interview of the man who coined the term: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/496/when-patents-attack-part-two

Long story short, its actually named after the Troll dolls and the Troll under the bridge who collects tolls from a bridge he didnt build from that one fairy tale that im forgetting the name of.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
October 25 2013 21:33 GMT
#11407
On October 26 2013 06:14 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 05:38 Souma wrote:
On October 26 2013 05:29 Sub40APM wrote:
On October 26 2013 05:19 HunterX11 wrote:
On October 26 2013 04:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has threatened to block the nomination of Janet Yellen to chair the Federal Reserve, CNBC reported Friday.

Citing a source close to Paul, CNBC wrote that the Kentucky Republican "is insisting on a vote on his Fed transparency bill, and has informed Senate leadership of his intentions."

The bill in question, the Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2011, would eliminate current audit restrictions placed on the Government Accountability Office and require the Fed to undergo a complete audit by a specific deadline. Similar legislation was championed in the House by Paul's father, former GOP presidential candidate and Texas Rep. Ron Paul.

The senator hinted at his plans in a video message Thursday for his father's political group, Campaign for Liberty.

"There's no time to waste. Right now, the U.S. Senate is preparing to debate and confirm the new Obama nominee to chair the Federal Reserve," Paul says in a voiceover. "I say not so fast. I say vote no on a new Fed chairman without a vote on my Audit the Fed bill."


Source


Ron Paul's "audit the Fed" bill was also supported by Dennis Kucinich, of all people! Even though of course Paul's (and now Paul's) motivations are more along the lines of "END THE FED", this is probably one of those broken-clock good ideas.

good ideas? this is literally one of the dumbest ideas from the GOP's crazy wing. And they have lots of really stupid ideas.


What's so bad about auditing the Fed?
its the first step in a populist attempt to bring back the gold standard.

afaik it's more geared towards reducing Fed secrecy and increasing political control, which are considered bad things in the world of central banking.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
October 25 2013 21:34 GMT
#11408
On October 26 2013 06:22 Souma wrote:
Perhaps, but I don't particularly like slippery slope arguments. As an isolated law, is it really that bad? Genuinely curious since I'm not sure what completely auditing the Fed fully entails.

The Federal Reserve already publishes the contents of its balance sheet, what Rand and his types want is to assign a 'loss' or 'gain' column, and open the actual FOMC discussion, increasingly the possibility of populist pressure against individual federal board governors. The goal is to then undermine the Federal Reserves' independence or completely remove it.
HunterX11
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
October 25 2013 21:36 GMT
#11409
On October 26 2013 06:14 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 05:38 Souma wrote:
On October 26 2013 05:29 Sub40APM wrote:
On October 26 2013 05:19 HunterX11 wrote:
On October 26 2013 04:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has threatened to block the nomination of Janet Yellen to chair the Federal Reserve, CNBC reported Friday.

Citing a source close to Paul, CNBC wrote that the Kentucky Republican "is insisting on a vote on his Fed transparency bill, and has informed Senate leadership of his intentions."

The bill in question, the Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2011, would eliminate current audit restrictions placed on the Government Accountability Office and require the Fed to undergo a complete audit by a specific deadline. Similar legislation was championed in the House by Paul's father, former GOP presidential candidate and Texas Rep. Ron Paul.

The senator hinted at his plans in a video message Thursday for his father's political group, Campaign for Liberty.

"There's no time to waste. Right now, the U.S. Senate is preparing to debate and confirm the new Obama nominee to chair the Federal Reserve," Paul says in a voiceover. "I say not so fast. I say vote no on a new Fed chairman without a vote on my Audit the Fed bill."


Source


Ron Paul's "audit the Fed" bill was also supported by Dennis Kucinich, of all people! Even though of course Paul's (and now Paul's) motivations are more along the lines of "END THE FED", this is probably one of those broken-clock good ideas.

good ideas? this is literally one of the dumbest ideas from the GOP's crazy wing. And they have lots of really stupid ideas.


What's so bad about auditing the Fed?
its the first step in a populist attempt to bring back the gold standard.


Populist...gold standard? I don't mean to be pedantic--I get your point--but it's funny just because it reminds me of libertarians who do mash up these old forgotten arguments nonsensically, like quoting the Federalist Papers to argue against paper money, as though the demands of colonial farmers to reduce their debt are somehow something we need to rail against today
Try using both Irradiate and Defensive Matrix on an Overlord. It looks pretty neat.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
October 25 2013 21:40 GMT
#11410
On October 26 2013 06:36 HunterX11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 06:14 Sub40APM wrote:
On October 26 2013 05:38 Souma wrote:
On October 26 2013 05:29 Sub40APM wrote:
On October 26 2013 05:19 HunterX11 wrote:
On October 26 2013 04:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has threatened to block the nomination of Janet Yellen to chair the Federal Reserve, CNBC reported Friday.

Citing a source close to Paul, CNBC wrote that the Kentucky Republican "is insisting on a vote on his Fed transparency bill, and has informed Senate leadership of his intentions."

The bill in question, the Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2011, would eliminate current audit restrictions placed on the Government Accountability Office and require the Fed to undergo a complete audit by a specific deadline. Similar legislation was championed in the House by Paul's father, former GOP presidential candidate and Texas Rep. Ron Paul.

The senator hinted at his plans in a video message Thursday for his father's political group, Campaign for Liberty.

"There's no time to waste. Right now, the U.S. Senate is preparing to debate and confirm the new Obama nominee to chair the Federal Reserve," Paul says in a voiceover. "I say not so fast. I say vote no on a new Fed chairman without a vote on my Audit the Fed bill."


Source


Ron Paul's "audit the Fed" bill was also supported by Dennis Kucinich, of all people! Even though of course Paul's (and now Paul's) motivations are more along the lines of "END THE FED", this is probably one of those broken-clock good ideas.

good ideas? this is literally one of the dumbest ideas from the GOP's crazy wing. And they have lots of really stupid ideas.


What's so bad about auditing the Fed?
its the first step in a populist attempt to bring back the gold standard.


Populist...gold standard? I don't mean to be pedantic--I get your point--but it's funny just because it reminds me of libertarians who do mash up these old forgotten arguments nonsensically, like quoting the Federalist Papers to argue against paper money, as though the demands of colonial farmers to reduce their debt are somehow something we need to rail against today

I am using populist not in the historical, 19th century version, which is why I spelled it with a little p, but in the Republican lets rile up the rubes with vague, threatening seeming things whose name sounds kind of like the name of the evil federal government and therefore it must be evil too.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
October 25 2013 22:09 GMT
#11411
On October 26 2013 06:34 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 06:22 Souma wrote:
Perhaps, but I don't particularly like slippery slope arguments. As an isolated law, is it really that bad? Genuinely curious since I'm not sure what completely auditing the Fed fully entails.

The Federal Reserve already publishes the contents of its balance sheet, what Rand and his types want is to assign a 'loss' or 'gain' column, and open the actual FOMC discussion, increasingly the possibility of populist pressure against individual federal board governors. The goal is to then undermine the Federal Reserves' independence or completely remove it.

I think they already show losses and gains. The real meat they're going after is who and to what extent the Fed is transacting with (e.g. who accessed the discount window) as well as the FOMC decisions as you mentioned.

Auditing the Fed also has bi-partisan support (it really is populist!), though currently more Reps than Dems support it. A watered down version already went into Dodd-Frank.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 25 2013 22:49 GMT
#11412
I'd like to know more about what exactly such an audit would entail. In the general sense of the word audit, I'd say the entire federal government should be audited on a regular basis.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
October 25 2013 23:05 GMT
#11413
The FED is technically supposed to be independent from the federal government.

Don't they have like quarterly hearings where Republicans rant at Bernanke about Austrian Economics? I'd be pretty damn suspicious of whatever audit they're suggesting. Sounds like politicizing the FED.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 25 2013 23:31 GMT
#11414
Oklahoma Rep. Tom Cole, one of the key Republican negotiators on a possible budget deal, said Friday that he would support raising revenue and more of his colleagues need to be open to the idea.

"I think both sides would like to deal with the sequester. And we're willing to put more revenue on the table to do that, and we would like to do it with entitlement savings," Cole said on Bloomberg TV's "Political Capital with Al Hunt," adding the GOP was more focused on "pro-growth revenue" as opposed to tax increases.

Cole acknowledged that many of his colleagues have declared any new revenue off the table, but pointed out that in order to get to a deal, both sides would have to give a little.

"Yeah, there are some that feel that way. But, you know, the reality is, you're going to have to have a deal here," he said, when asked about the many Republicans who disagree with his position. "And a deal means everybody gives something up. Now, again, we're much more into what I'd call pro-growth revenue."

Cole is part of the 29-member negotiating committee tasked with reconciling the vastly different Senate and House budgets as part of last week's deal to end the government shutdown and raise the debt limit. The legislation set a deadline of Dec. 13 for conferees to reach an agreement on a long-term framework for tax and spending policies.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-26 01:13:47
October 26 2013 00:58 GMT
#11415
On October 26 2013 08:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Oklahoma Rep. Tom Cole, one of the key Republican negotiators on a possible budget deal, said Friday that he would support raising revenue and more of his colleagues need to be open to the idea.

"I think both sides would like to deal with the sequester. And we're willing to put more revenue on the table to do that, and we would like to do it with entitlement savings," Cole said on Bloomberg TV's "Political Capital with Al Hunt," adding the GOP was more focused on "pro-growth revenue" as opposed to tax increases.

Cole acknowledged that many of his colleagues have declared any new revenue off the table, but pointed out that in order to get to a deal, both sides would have to give a little.

"Yeah, there are some that feel that way. But, you know, the reality is, you're going to have to have a deal here," he said, when asked about the many Republicans who disagree with his position. "And a deal means everybody gives something up. Now, again, we're much more into what I'd call pro-growth revenue."

Cole is part of the 29-member negotiating committee tasked with reconciling the vastly different Senate and House budgets as part of last week's deal to end the government shutdown and raise the debt limit. The legislation set a deadline of Dec. 13 for conferees to reach an agreement on a long-term framework for tax and spending policies.


Source

Guess we know who the Tea Party is going to primary out of the party. TRAITOR!

The Highlander Theory of the GOP
The Republican Party has seen a procession of new leaders leaping to the fore—only to be cut off at their knees by a new conservative darling.

What's a GOP presidential hopeful to do? In the past year, the party has cycled through one favorite aspirant after another before running into a problem: There's no longer a single consensus about what makes a good candidate. Inevitable deviations from conservative orthodoxy are seen as disqualifying sins. Republicans have a habit of killing their darlings.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/the-em-highlander-em-theory-of-the-gop/280868/

Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
October 26 2013 02:24 GMT
#11416
This quote from one of the commenters on the article was great: "The GOP is a party with no sense of proportion. It always overplays its hand. Every little thing Obama does is CRUSHING FREEDOM ITSELF or DESTROYING OUR WAY OF LIFE!!! Every new figure on the scene is the savior come at last! It's the Party of ALL CAPS and crazy exclamation points."
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
October 26 2013 03:06 GMT
#11417
On October 26 2013 05:50 Livelovedie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 05:41 FrankDaTank wrote:
Anyone see Russel Brands interview calling for a revolution?

Russell Brand is insane... I put no stock in what he says........ he divorced katy perry! xD


Checkmate right there. Who could ever divorce from hottie and cutie pie perry
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 26 2013 06:21 GMT
#11418
On October 26 2013 09:58 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 08:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Oklahoma Rep. Tom Cole, one of the key Republican negotiators on a possible budget deal, said Friday that he would support raising revenue and more of his colleagues need to be open to the idea.

"I think both sides would like to deal with the sequester. And we're willing to put more revenue on the table to do that, and we would like to do it with entitlement savings," Cole said on Bloomberg TV's "Political Capital with Al Hunt," adding the GOP was more focused on "pro-growth revenue" as opposed to tax increases.

Cole acknowledged that many of his colleagues have declared any new revenue off the table, but pointed out that in order to get to a deal, both sides would have to give a little.

"Yeah, there are some that feel that way. But, you know, the reality is, you're going to have to have a deal here," he said, when asked about the many Republicans who disagree with his position. "And a deal means everybody gives something up. Now, again, we're much more into what I'd call pro-growth revenue."

Cole is part of the 29-member negotiating committee tasked with reconciling the vastly different Senate and House budgets as part of last week's deal to end the government shutdown and raise the debt limit. The legislation set a deadline of Dec. 13 for conferees to reach an agreement on a long-term framework for tax and spending policies.


Source

Guess we know who the Tea Party is going to primary out of the party. TRAITOR!

Show nested quote +
The Highlander Theory of the GOP
The Republican Party has seen a procession of new leaders leaping to the fore—only to be cut off at their knees by a new conservative darling.

What's a GOP presidential hopeful to do? In the past year, the party has cycled through one favorite aspirant after another before running into a problem: There's no longer a single consensus about what makes a good candidate. Inevitable deviations from conservative orthodoxy are seen as disqualifying sins. Republicans have a habit of killing their darlings.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/the-em-highlander-em-theory-of-the-gop/280868/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEJ8lpCQbyw


I'm having trouble counting how many "favorite aspirants" have been cycled through. Ryan was a disappointment and Ron Johnson as well. Yeahhhh.... that's all I got. That is, unless you want to talk about liberal media darlings.

Did I see that article talk about reconciling Senate and House budgets? That's quite a pretty thing to call a negotiation on Finance by Continuing Resolution, also known as the absence of a budget.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
October 26 2013 14:51 GMT
#11419
Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio,Chris Christie, Michelle Bachmann, Hermann Cain,Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, Sarah Palin. Who else am I missing? Christie of course didn't last long, he's too bipartisan. I guess its easier to pretend to be a goldfish but tea party extremist of the month is fresh in most of our minds.
dude bro.
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
October 26 2013 15:10 GMT
#11420
On October 26 2013 06:27 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 05:36 Sermokala wrote:
Trolling is also a term for moveing slowly through the water when fishing ie a trolling motor. Patent trolling follows this version of trolling.

the origin of the term patent trolling can be found in this podcast with an interview of the man who coined the term: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/496/when-patents-attack-part-two

Long story short, its actually named after the Troll dolls and the Troll under the bridge who collects tolls from a bridge he didnt build from that one fairy tale that im forgetting the name of.


The Three Billy Goats Gruff

http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0122e.html
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