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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 16 2016 11:02 biology]major wrote: Nah, if it were just she's better than he is I wouldn't have any problem with that. Doesn't matter if everyone knows, it's the fact that she won't have a good answer and will look bad, which is essentially what these debates are about. the notion that hillary won't be ready for such an accusation is absurd; one of the things hillary is is well prepped. very reliably so. it also feels like you're changing your claim/objective, or maybe i'ts just unclear what your aim is. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On October 16 2016 11:04 Plansix wrote: Is this like the last time when you thought Trump was going to win the debate? Trump smashed her the second debate. He lost the first debate. It's 1-1 as far as I'm concerned. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 16 2016 11:07 biology]major wrote: Trump smashed her the second debate. He lost the first debate. It's 1-1 as far as I'm concerned. that's factually untrue, he did not smash her the second debate. unless you're using definitions not based on facts., in which case, well, you have weird definitions. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On October 16 2016 11:08 zlefin wrote: that's factually untrue, he did not smash her the second debate. unless you're using definitions not based on facts., in which case, well, you have weird definitions. What facts are there to base debate results on? Zlefin gotta admire your pretense as the arbiter of objectivity. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9248 Posts
On October 16 2016 11:07 biology]major wrote: Trump smashed her the second debate. He lost the first debate. It's 1-1 as far as I'm concerned. He lost the 2nd debate according to every single scientific poll, even in the Fox News one by around 10 points | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 16 2016 11:10 biology]major wrote: What facts are there to base debate results on? Zlefin gotta admire your pretense as the arbiter of objectivity. based on how it shifts the polling results. the ultimate goal of debates is to improve your winning chances; and the best estimate we have for that is how it affects your polling numbers. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 16 2016 10:55 biology]major wrote: He's an asshole selfish business man, who has admitted to buying influence. Not only are the standards for him much lower, he's actually admitted to the corruption. He isn't a warren buffet or bill gates type of businessman, that's for sure. Clinton is a public servant who shrouds herself in secrecy, that question will destroy her if he presses her on it far more than it does him. Look, trump is shit. He's an agent of change in this election, and he's not Hillary. That's all he's got going for him. This thread though just keeps showing the delusional attitudes of hrc supporters. Either deflect or pretend it's not as bad, well it's pretty bad. Why should the standards be lower? Why shouldn't I hold both candidates to the same standard? The fact that it was acceptable for is past occupation doesn't mean it's acceptable for a candidate for the presidency. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
Even if you believe Trump "won" the second debate he couldn't just win it. He needed to obliterate so hard he undid pussy gate, and he didn't do anywhere near that. By not undoing that damage Trump didn't only lose, he lost bad. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On October 16 2016 11:14 zlefin wrote: based on how it shifts the polling results. the ultimate goal of debates is to improve your winning chances; and the best estimate we have for that is how it affects your polling numbers. The second debate numbers are obscured by the trump tapes. He performed well, was calm and yet on the offense. I think if you scored it as if it was a collegiate debate tournament then yeah I can see how you think Clinton won. These debates are nothing of the sort, they have to be able to answer aggressive questions without looking bad, and she failed miserably at that. I will say he completely botched his apology at the start though. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 16 2016 11:19 biology]major wrote: The second debate numbers are obscured by the trump tapes. He performed well, was calm and yet on the offense. I think if you scored it as if it was a collegiate debate tournament then yeah I can see how you think Clinton won. These debates are nothing of the sort, they have to be able to answer aggressive questions without looking bad, and she failed miserably at that. I will say he completely botched his apology at the start though. I wasn't scoring it as a collegiate debat e(which clinton clearly won) but by poll number shifts; while it's hard to tell the debate shift from the tape shift, there's ample evidence that it wasn't a crushing victory for him. It was maybe a wash, maybe a slight victory for one or the other. But no way it's a massive win for him. And it's dumb of you to bring up the point abohut collegiate debate tournament since I already said I wans't using those standards, but whether it changes the polling. I don't like being rude, but come on man. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On October 16 2016 11:15 TheYango wrote: Why should the standards be lower? Why shouldn't I hold both candidates to the same standard? The fact that it was acceptable for is past occupation doesn't mean it's acceptable for a candidate for the presidency. Because their reasons for running are entirely different. Trumps main stake at the presidency is to shake things up as much as possible. People who support him are taking a leap of faith to begin with. The clintons represent the status quo. Now combine this with hrc's secrecy and you have got two different reactions to the same flaws. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46540 Posts
On October 16 2016 11:08 zlefin wrote: that's factually untrue, he did not smash her the second debate. unless you're using definitions not based on facts., in which case, well, you have weird definitions. biology]major is using the New Gingrich approach... feelings (specifically, only the minority of viewers who think Trump won), not facts. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On October 16 2016 11:22 zlefin wrote: I wasn't scoring it as a collegiate debat e(which clinton clearly won) but by poll number shifts; while it's hard to tell the debate shift from the tape shift, there's ample evidence that it wasn't a crushing victory for him. It was maybe a wash, maybe a slight victory for one or the other. But no way it's a massive win for him. And it's dumb of you to bring up the point abohut collegiate debate tournament since I already said I wans't using those standards, but whether it changes the polling. I don't like being rude, but come on man. Ok whatever I still think he won, appeared one sided to me. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On October 16 2016 11:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: biology]major is using the New Gingrich approach... feelings (specifically, only the minority of viewers who think Trump won), not facts. Yeah you rely on your objective facts to a debate which wasn't scored by any formal rules. Good job, I admire your objectivity. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9248 Posts
On October 16 2016 11:19 biology]major wrote: The second debate numbers are obscured by the trump tapes. He performed well, was calm and yet on the offense. I think if you scored it as if it was a collegiate debate tournament then yeah I can see how you think Clinton won. These debates are nothing of the sort, they have to be able to answer aggressive questions without looking bad, and she failed miserably at that. I will say he completely botched his apology at the start though. After each debate, some of the regular polls include a question along the lines of 'regardless of how you plan to vote who do you honestly think won the debate?'. There isn't a single one where he was ahead. In fact her lead for the 2nd debate in these polls was noticeably higher than her overall lead in voting intention. Which can only mean that unlike on the internet, more of Trump's voters thought Hillary won the debate than the other way around. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 16 2016 11:25 biology]major wrote: Ok whatever I still think he won, appeared one sided to me. that's fine; you can have your opinion he won. I just dislike assertions of fact that are unfounded, clearly labeled opinion is far less disturbing. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46540 Posts
Lil Jon Says He Asked Trump to Stop Calling Him 'Uncle Tom' During 'Celebrity Apprentice' http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/lil-jon-says-he-asked-trump-stop-calling-him-uncle-n666826?cid=sm_fb Surely someone is sitting on video footage of Trump saying the n-word, somewhere. Right? Like, it's all but certain he uses that term in public. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Rigged election you say. But who is trying to rig it. | ||
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