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farvacola
United States18826 Posts
On September 29 2016 02:53 Nyxisto wrote: what the heck is going on with the TL pol lol my guess is that someone like zeo is upset with how little the debate gelled with their understanding of US politics  | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21668 Posts
On September 29 2016 02:53 Nyxisto wrote: what the heck is going on with the TL pol lol The Trump bots have finally reached TL after having done all the major news sites earlier. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On September 29 2016 02:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: 4chan's a helluva drug. But on the other hand, we already know that TeamLiquid is statistically much more liberal than conservative, and one might wonder how much implicit confirmation bias appeared in the TL poll. I'm liberal and I think Hillary won and I don't think I'm being biased, but that doesn't mean I'm not biased  TL is also much more European than average. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On September 29 2016 02:54 Gorsameth wrote: The Trump bots have finally reached TL after having done all the major news sites earlier. does this mean we're famous? | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On September 29 2016 02:50 zlefin wrote: I guess it depends on what you mean by "lost" I'd say he did poorly, and maybe a bit worse than average; and hillary did well, and a bit better than her average. But I feel that "winning" in the context of the debate, really means whether you improved or worsened your odds of winning the election; and hence is mostly going to be assessed by the poll numbers. I don't have a good sense of how typical people will respond, as I, and everyone I know, are atypical people. I hope he gets his shit together. He has should address attacks with a sentence or two and go right back on offense. Stop defending the birther movement, or who you called fat with lengthy explanations that aren't very coherent to begin with. He has so much ammunition but limited time, and he really needs to take his gloves off for the remainder of the two debates. In the first 30-40 minutes he was doing great, stayed relatively composed and was on offense. Then he became very defensive and lost control. If you are explaining yourself, you are losing. These things have nothing to do with policy but are all optics, and he has plenty of zingers but failed to use them to make her look bad. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44316 Posts
On September 29 2016 02:55 LegalLord wrote: TL is also much more European than average. I'm not sure what "average" is in this case, though. Politically, in America, you'd expect about a 50/50 split between Hillary and Trump based on previous polling data in 538 and other reputable sources, but I don't know what the benchmark ratio is for NA/EU. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 29 2016 02:57 biology]major wrote: I hope he gets his shit together. He has should address attacks with a sentence or two and go right back on offense. Stop defending the birther movement, or who you called fat with lengthy explanations that aren't very coherent to begin with. He has so much ammunition but limited time, and he really needs to take his gloves off for the remainder of the two debates. In the first 30-40 minutes he was doing great, stayed relatively composed and was on offense. Then he became very defensive and lost control. If you are explaining yourself, you are losing. These things have nothing to do with policy but are all optics, and he has plenty of zingers but failed to use them to make her look bad. I'd rather people win on matters of policy than optics, but sadly that's not the world we live in  | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On September 29 2016 03:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I'm not sure what "average" is in this case, though. Politically, in America, you'd expect about a 50/50 split between Hillary and Trump based on previous polling data in 538 and other reputable sources, but I don't know what the benchmark ratio is for NA/EU. There are not all that many "Europeans" in the US. Mostly just recent immigrants. And the European right is our left, which leads to obvious liberal tendencies. | ||
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farvacola
United States18826 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On September 29 2016 03:04 farvacola wrote: When you say "European right," who exactly are you referring to? Mainstream right, not fringe/populist groups. | ||
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farvacola
United States18826 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On September 29 2016 03:06 farvacola wrote: What do you mean by mainstream but not populist? Aren't a lot of the political problems facing Europe related to the fact that the aforementioned distinction is collapsing much like it has here? Mainly in Eastern Europe, as long as the French don't elect Sarkozy we should be good | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44316 Posts
On September 29 2016 03:03 LegalLord wrote: There are not all that many "Europeans" in the US. Mostly just recent immigrants. And the European right is our left, which leads to obvious liberal tendencies. Well I definitely think that one of the reasons why TL is more liberal than the average American sample is because there is decent European representation and not just Americans, sure. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On September 29 2016 02:57 biology]major wrote: In the first 30-40 minutes he was doing great, stayed relatively composed and was on offense. Then he became very defensive and lost control. If you are explaining yourself, you are losing. These things have nothing to do with policy but are all optics, and he has plenty of zingers but failed to use them to make her look bad. You may have missed his embarrassing interruptions during those 30-40 minutes. Hillary consulted with psychiatrists, experts on narcissism, and played Trump like a toy. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On September 29 2016 03:06 farvacola wrote: What do you mean by mainstream but not populist? Aren't a lot of the political problems facing Europe related to the fact that the aforementioned distinction is collapsing much like it has here? CDU for Germany, UMP-LR for France, Conservative Party for UK, PP for Spain, etc. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On September 29 2016 03:09 Toadesstern wrote: I'd assume he's talking about Merkels Party (CDU) or something else like that when referring to "European right" CDU, UK Conservative Party, etc. There is clearly a rightward shift in Europe, same as there is a leftward shift in the US, but for now the distinction is apparent enough to make Europe skew liberal by American standards. With some exceptions of course. | ||
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farvacola
United States18826 Posts
On September 29 2016 03:13 TheDwf wrote: CDU for Germany, UMP-LR for France, Conservative Party for UK, PP for Spain, etc. That's a helpful list because I think it demonstrates that "American Left=European Right" is only useful in the most utterly general sense; any level of granular comparison starts to show that international political dynamics are more scattered than the prior equivocation would suggest. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6284 Posts
On September 29 2016 02:54 farvacola wrote: my guess is that someone like zeo is upset with how little the debate gelled with their understanding of US politics You're more obsessed with me than Clinton is with Trump | ||
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farvacola
United States18826 Posts
Thanks for the rule of thumb Zeo | ||
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