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RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-28 18:26:01
September 28 2016 18:23 GMT
#104861
Okay so basically Hillary and Trump comes from two different philosophical standpoint on how the country's economy should function.

Hillary advocates for decreasing taxes for the middle class, increase minimum wage and increasing taxes for the upper class to balance out the income classes.

Trump advocates for lessening restrictions for companies so that companies can expand more and thus creating more jobs for people to take instead of forcing domestic companies to sell/produce in developing countries.



zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-28 18:25:34
September 28 2016 18:24 GMT
#104862
On September 29 2016 03:23 RealityIsKing wrote:
Okay so basically Hillary and Trump comes from two different philosophical standpoint on how the country's economy should function.

Hillary advocate for decreasing taxes for the middle class, increase minimum wage and increasing taxes for the upper class to balance out the income classes.

Trump advocate for lessening restrictions for companies so that companies can expand more and thus creating more jobs for people to take instead of forcing domestic companies to sell/produce in developing countries.

while those statements aren't exactly false; they present a rather biased and inaccurate picture of it all, especially on the trump side.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 28 2016 18:28 GMT
#104863
On September 29 2016 03:20 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 03:13 TheDwf wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:06 farvacola wrote:
What do you mean by mainstream but not populist? Aren't a lot of the political problems facing Europe related to the fact that the aforementioned distinction is collapsing much like it has here?

CDU for Germany, UMP-LR for France, Conservative Party for UK, PP for Spain, etc.

That's a helpful list because I think it demonstrates that "American Left=European Right" is only useful in the most utterly general sense; any level of granular comparison starts to show that international political dynamics are more scattered than the prior equivocation would suggest.

Though if we talk about average liberality, the "utterly general sense" is valid enough to support my point.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
September 28 2016 18:29 GMT
#104864
On September 29 2016 03:24 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 03:23 RealityIsKing wrote:
Okay so basically Hillary and Trump comes from two different philosophical standpoint on how the country's economy should function.

Hillary advocate for decreasing taxes for the middle class, increase minimum wage and increasing taxes for the upper class to balance out the income classes.

Trump advocate for lessening restrictions for companies so that companies can expand more and thus creating more jobs for people to take instead of forcing domestic companies to sell/produce in developing countries.

while those statements aren't exactly false; they present a rather biased and inaccurate picture of it all, especially on the trump side.


Y'know what we should be doing?

We should get the job done in Middle East.

We should insert a puppet government in those countries that have to obey the law that they should not raise arms against us.

And we should be able to utilize their oil refineries at will.

That's what we should be doing.

Then with the energy gained from the Middle East, we should be turning those energy into scientific research such as rocket ships that can collect minerals from the space.

We should be developing unused land across the country into modern cities where trains can reach there and businesses can flourish.

We should be developing the next generation of automated robots so that our domestic companies can have more autonomy from the other countries.

We should be upgrading our nuclear plants to make them safer.

This is what we should be doing.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 28 2016 18:31 GMT
#104865
Imperialism had its day, its flaws are known. We are not going back to that flaws plan to be prosperous.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-28 18:32:49
September 28 2016 18:31 GMT
#104866
On September 29 2016 03:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 03:24 zlefin wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:23 RealityIsKing wrote:
Okay so basically Hillary and Trump comes from two different philosophical standpoint on how the country's economy should function.

Hillary advocate for decreasing taxes for the middle class, increase minimum wage and increasing taxes for the upper class to balance out the income classes.

Trump advocate for lessening restrictions for companies so that companies can expand more and thus creating more jobs for people to take instead of forcing domestic companies to sell/produce in developing countries.

while those statements aren't exactly false; they present a rather biased and inaccurate picture of it all, especially on the trump side.


Y'know what we should be doing?

We should get the job done in Middle East.

We should insert a puppet government in those countries that have to obey the law that they should not raise arms against us.

And we should be able to utilize their oil refineries at will.

That's what we should be doing.

Then with the energy gained from the Middle East, we should be turning those energy into scientific research such as rocket ships that can collect minerals from the space.

We should be developing unused land across the country into modern cities where trains can reach there and businesses can flourish.

We should be developing the next generation of automated robots so that our domestic companies can have more autonomy from the other countries.

We should be upgrading our nuclear plants to make them safer.

This is what we should be doing.

some of those are good ideas; some are already being done; some are fundamentally unsound ideas; some are just not possible.
do you want a response on which are which, and the reasons thereof?

what we should be doing is using entirely sound ideas; and maek those decisions with an actual understanding of the topics sufficient to determine that.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24473 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-28 18:34:13
September 28 2016 18:32 GMT
#104867
On September 28 2016 23:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2016 23:21 LegalLord wrote:
On September 28 2016 23:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On September 28 2016 23:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 28 2016 23:06 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Oliver straightens up the whole scandal race shit :



I think he did a really thorough job on researching the scandals he talked about, and I think it shows a double standard of expectations between the candidates.

Well people have been told and told that Clinton is a liar and corrupt so they absolutely want to believe it. In fact there is no evidence that she is not fairly honest other than a systematic bias and defamation campaign.

Hillary isn't the Satan spawn that the Republicans claim she is, but you may be ever-so-slightly exaggerating here.

Not really. She is described as the most scandal rigged candidate in modern history.

We are talking about those scandals :

Benghazi. Which was in fact not a scandal at all.
The Clinton foundation. That is not a scandal at all either, since it appears she hasn't done anything remotely wrong.
The email server, that was, according to the FBI, simply very careless and certainly not criminal.

Now, against that, we are talking of a man whose list of REAL scandals would be longer than this thread. We are talking of robbing people, crooking vulnerable students, crooking shareholders, using for his own lawsuits the money given to his foundation in which he doesn't put a penny (now THAT is a scandal, spot the difference?), lying all the fucking time in the most outrageous manner, etc etc etc etc.

Read this thread and you hear bright people like GH say that Clinton is "a serial liar", because, yep, she apparently makes 13% of false statements according to Politico, but Trump is ok, because his bullshit'o'meter is only 53% and he says a blatant lie only once every 3 minutes. GH will certainly never call Trump a serial liar. He exaggerates a little bit that's all. (Ok, GH is not a good example, because he is the political equivalent of a lemming, really trying hard to make sure that the ideals he fought for will be buried for good.)

Anyway, my point is that the public thinks that Hillary is the untrustworthy one. Which is pathetic. That's one hell of a media fail.


lol She is a serial liar. So is Trump. I've called him such plenty of times before. I've even said Trump lies more frequently and often inexplicably than she does. It helps to actually know the opinion of who you are trying to pigeonhole

On September 29 2016 01:47 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 01:44 LegalLord wrote:
On September 29 2016 01:41 Mohdoo wrote:
On September 29 2016 01:41 LegalLord wrote:
On September 29 2016 01:39 Plansix wrote:
On September 29 2016 01:34 ticklishmusic wrote:
On September 29 2016 01:31 LegalLord wrote:
On September 29 2016 01:25 Mohdoo wrote:
Alright, I'm done. I wanted to watch in case something good happened, but these are complete lightweights. They don't even research what they are talking about. Comey is constantly correcting them for being just so unbelievably wrong. What a sad, sad mess.

Yeah this is a trainwreck. I, too, am done - I have more important things to do than watch an obvious farce of a questioning session. The expression on Comey's face suggests he is thinking, "fucking morons wasting my time."


It's internet lawyers versus the director of the FBI

Even real lawyers wouldn’t try this stuff because the Judge plays referee on this like this. If an attorney are clearly wasting the witness’s time and is poorly prepared, they could get slapped around by the judge. Congress doesn’t have such features, sadly. It is to bad we can’t have the notorious RBG drive down and slap the congress member for not understanding how pleading the 5th works.

Sad thing is a lot of these people are actual lawyers and they should know better.


I truly think many of these people have simply taken the perspective of "Hilary can not be president" and are just doing whatever they can to help. I think they know what is happening but think the stakes are too high.

I'd like to take this opportunity to remind you why the "Trump cannot be president no matter what" approach is short-sighted, with this example as evidence.


I don't take the perspective that Trump can't be president. I take the perspective that a Clinton presidency would have a non-zero benefit over a Trump presidency. So long as one side is better than the other, everything else is irrelevant to me, so long as only 2 options exist.


And this why I have little hope for the Democratic party long term.

And on who won the debate, yes by every scholastic measure Hillary won, but as Zel and others have pointed out, that's not what matters, what matters is how it impacted the electorate.

Someone else said "he sounds like a typical drunk blabbering at the bar" (paraphrased), well guess who's vote he was trying to get that night?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
September 28 2016 18:32 GMT
#104868
On September 29 2016 03:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 03:24 zlefin wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:23 RealityIsKing wrote:
Okay so basically Hillary and Trump comes from two different philosophical standpoint on how the country's economy should function.

Hillary advocate for decreasing taxes for the middle class, increase minimum wage and increasing taxes for the upper class to balance out the income classes.

Trump advocate for lessening restrictions for companies so that companies can expand more and thus creating more jobs for people to take instead of forcing domestic companies to sell/produce in developing countries.

while those statements aren't exactly false; they present a rather biased and inaccurate picture of it all, especially on the trump side.


Y'know what we should be doing?

We should get the job done in Middle East.

We should insert a puppet government in those countries that have to obey the law that they should not raise arms against us.

And we should be able to utilize their oil refineries at will.

That's what we should be doing.

Then with the energy gained from the Middle East, we should be turning those energy into scientific research such as rocket ships that can collect minerals from the space.

We should be developing unused land across the country into modern cities where trains can reach there and businesses can flourish.

We should be developing the next generation of automated robots so that our domestic companies can have more autonomy from the other countries.

We should be upgrading our nuclear plants to make them safer.

This is what we should be doing.

RealityIsKing
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
September 28 2016 18:36 GMT
#104869
Reminder Trump is closing in on the sixty day mark since his last press conference and Clinton has had 3 or 4 since then (depending what you call an official conference).
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
September 28 2016 18:38 GMT
#104870
On September 29 2016 03:31 Plansix wrote:
Imperialism had its day, its flaws are known. We are not going back to that flaws plan to be prosperous.


Current plan is not working.

Asking them to not raise arm against a nation that rebuilt them is not imperialism. Its getting respect.

If we can't even get that, then those nations certainly do not deserve our help.

So no the current direction is not good.

But I'm confident with evidence by Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, that's both attainable and beneficial to all humanity.

I'm also confident that you will not comeback with proper research.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 28 2016 18:38 GMT
#104871
On September 29 2016 03:20 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 03:13 TheDwf wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:06 farvacola wrote:
What do you mean by mainstream but not populist? Aren't a lot of the political problems facing Europe related to the fact that the aforementioned distinction is collapsing much like it has here?

CDU for Germany, UMP-LR for France, Conservative Party for UK, PP for Spain, etc.

That's a helpful list because I think it demonstrates that "American Left=European Right" is only useful in the most utterly general sense; any level of granular comparison starts to show that international political dynamics are more scattered than the prior equivocation would suggest.

I think a proper way to phrase it would be, “the median point of the political spectrum is much more to the right in the USA compared with Europe”.
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
September 28 2016 18:39 GMT
#104872
On September 29 2016 03:31 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 03:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:24 zlefin wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:23 RealityIsKing wrote:
Okay so basically Hillary and Trump comes from two different philosophical standpoint on how the country's economy should function.

Hillary advocate for decreasing taxes for the middle class, increase minimum wage and increasing taxes for the upper class to balance out the income classes.

Trump advocate for lessening restrictions for companies so that companies can expand more and thus creating more jobs for people to take instead of forcing domestic companies to sell/produce in developing countries.

while those statements aren't exactly false; they present a rather biased and inaccurate picture of it all, especially on the trump side.


Y'know what we should be doing?

We should get the job done in Middle East.

We should insert a puppet government in those countries that have to obey the law that they should not raise arms against us.

And we should be able to utilize their oil refineries at will.

That's what we should be doing.

Then with the energy gained from the Middle East, we should be turning those energy into scientific research such as rocket ships that can collect minerals from the space.

We should be developing unused land across the country into modern cities where trains can reach there and businesses can flourish.

We should be developing the next generation of automated robots so that our domestic companies can have more autonomy from the other countries.

We should be upgrading our nuclear plants to make them safer.

This is what we should be doing.

some of those are good ideas; some are already being done; some are fundamentally unsound ideas; some are just not possible.
do you want a response on which are which, and the reasons thereof?

what we should be doing is using entirely sound ideas; and maek those decisions with an actual understanding of the topics sufficient to determine that.


I'm talking about the ideal direction for America if everybody in the country worked toward those goals without any form of disruption and where everybody in the country is collaborating for sake of Americans.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18872 Posts
September 28 2016 18:40 GMT
#104873
On September 29 2016 03:38 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 03:20 farvacola wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:13 TheDwf wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:06 farvacola wrote:
What do you mean by mainstream but not populist? Aren't a lot of the political problems facing Europe related to the fact that the aforementioned distinction is collapsing much like it has here?

CDU for Germany, UMP-LR for France, Conservative Party for UK, PP for Spain, etc.

That's a helpful list because I think it demonstrates that "American Left=European Right" is only useful in the most utterly general sense; any level of granular comparison starts to show that international political dynamics are more scattered than the prior equivocation would suggest.

I think a proper way to phrase it would be, “the median point of the political spectrum is much more to the right in the USA compared with Europe”.

Looks good to me.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 28 2016 18:41 GMT
#104874
Donald Trump deputy campaign manager David Bossie said “clearly Mr. Trump held his tongue” at Monday night’s presidential debate when Hillary Clinton raised the Manhattan billionaire’s history of derogatory remarks about women.

Towards the end of the debate Monday night, Clinton managed to squeeze in a line of attack against Trump, labeling him as “a man who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs.” Almost immediately following the debate, Trump insinuated that he had considered responding by raising Bill Clinton’s history of marital infidelities but opted against it because the couple’s daughter, Chelsea Clinton, was in the debate hall.

That Trump had considered such an attack was more fully fleshed out by his surrogates and by the candidate himself in an array of TV news interviews Tuesday morning. The GOP nominee told Fox News that “I really eased up because I didn't want to hurt anybody's feelings” in Monday night’s debate, and that “I may hit her harder in certain ways” in future debates.

“I think that if you look at Hillary Clinton's background and if you look at her being an enabler, really, in the '90s and really attacking these women, it goes against everything that she now tries to spout as a candidate for president,” Bossie said on Fox News’s “Fox and Friends” Wednesday morning. “She'll say and do anything. Those are Barack Obama's words, not mine. She'll say and do anything to become president of the United States. And I think we're seeing that now.”


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5234 Posts
September 28 2016 18:44 GMT
#104875
On September 29 2016 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
And this why I have little hope for the Democratic party long term.

And on who won the debate, yes by every scholastic measure Hillary won, but as Zel and others have pointed out, that's not what matters, what matters is how it impacted the electorate.

Someone else said "he sounds like a typical drunk blabbering at the bar" (paraphrased), well guess who's vote he was trying to get that night?

Jesus Christ, is that what you actually think Trump is doing? He's catering towards the average Joe with the casual language and the simple words. Do you think, if he's chosen for POTUS that he's suddenly going to transform into superbusinessmanpresident and get it all done or some shit, slinging slick talk out of his ass like no other?
I believe that everyone is misled, not by Trump, but by themselves and the people analyzing him. I just take him at face value, becasue that's what you should be doing. If he sounds like a rambling idiot, he probably is.

And why do you have little hope for the Democratic party in the long term exactly? Because they go for the lesser of 2 evils? Because they use their own metrics to decide what's better than something else, may it be ever so slightly?

This election cycle is a farce and the entirety of the US should be ashamed that this is the best you could come up with to represent you on the highest level. And the rest of the world is either afraid or mocking you.
Taxes are for Terrans
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 28 2016 18:45 GMT
#104876
On September 29 2016 03:39 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 03:31 zlefin wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:24 zlefin wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:23 RealityIsKing wrote:
Okay so basically Hillary and Trump comes from two different philosophical standpoint on how the country's economy should function.

Hillary advocate for decreasing taxes for the middle class, increase minimum wage and increasing taxes for the upper class to balance out the income classes.

Trump advocate for lessening restrictions for companies so that companies can expand more and thus creating more jobs for people to take instead of forcing domestic companies to sell/produce in developing countries.

while those statements aren't exactly false; they present a rather biased and inaccurate picture of it all, especially on the trump side.


Y'know what we should be doing?

We should get the job done in Middle East.

We should insert a puppet government in those countries that have to obey the law that they should not raise arms against us.

And we should be able to utilize their oil refineries at will.

That's what we should be doing.

Then with the energy gained from the Middle East, we should be turning those energy into scientific research such as rocket ships that can collect minerals from the space.

We should be developing unused land across the country into modern cities where trains can reach there and businesses can flourish.

We should be developing the next generation of automated robots so that our domestic companies can have more autonomy from the other countries.

We should be upgrading our nuclear plants to make them safer.

This is what we should be doing.

some of those are good ideas; some are already being done; some are fundamentally unsound ideas; some are just not possible.
do you want a response on which are which, and the reasons thereof?

what we should be doing is using entirely sound ideas; and maek those decisions with an actual understanding of the topics sufficient to determine that.


I'm talking about the ideal direction for America if everybody in the country worked toward those goals without any form of disruption and where everybody in the country is collaborating for sake of Americans.

Yeah, the last time a country tried something something like this it was called World War II.

Here's a tip: the rest of the world doesn't like when one nation tries to take control of others for their own betterment.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 28 2016 18:47 GMT
#104877
I love how the Trump camp keeps building up this idea that bringing up her husband’s affairs with her on the same stage is going to be a winning plan. Like she hasn’t been planning for that from day one and has a response in the can. Or that no other politician has dropped that bomb on her behind closed doors. What votes does he expect to pick up with that master plan?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 28 2016 18:47 GMT
#104878
The Senate voted Wednesday to give families of victims of the Sept. 11 attacks the right to sue the Saudi Arabian government, overriding President Obama's veto for the first time.

The vote was lopsided, with 97 senators voting in favor of the override, well above the two-thirds majority needed to overcome the president's objection. Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid cast the lone "no" vote. Sens. Tim Kaine, D-Va., and Bernie Sanders, D-Vt., did not vote.

The Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act (JASTA) would, among other things, give families of Sept. 11 victims the right to sue Saudi Arabia over claims it aided or financed the terrorism attacks.

The House is likely to consider its own veto override later today. The House initially passed the measure on a voice vote earlier this month, two days before the 15th anniversary of the deadly terrorist attacks.

The Saudi government denies any role in those attacks, and the 9/11 Commission found no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials were involved. Fifteen of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, though. And there have long been suspicions that some of the hijackers received support during their time in the U.S. from individuals with possible connections to the Saudi Kingdom.

Supporters of the veto override say those suspicions should be explored in a U.S. court of law.

The Obama administration says it's sympathetic to victims' families, but concerned that allowing such lawsuits would open the door to legal challenges against American officials in other countries.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
September 28 2016 18:47 GMT
#104879
On September 29 2016 03:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 03:39 RealityIsKing wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:31 zlefin wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:29 RealityIsKing wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:24 zlefin wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:23 RealityIsKing wrote:
Okay so basically Hillary and Trump comes from two different philosophical standpoint on how the country's economy should function.

Hillary advocate for decreasing taxes for the middle class, increase minimum wage and increasing taxes for the upper class to balance out the income classes.

Trump advocate for lessening restrictions for companies so that companies can expand more and thus creating more jobs for people to take instead of forcing domestic companies to sell/produce in developing countries.

while those statements aren't exactly false; they present a rather biased and inaccurate picture of it all, especially on the trump side.


Y'know what we should be doing?

We should get the job done in Middle East.

We should insert a puppet government in those countries that have to obey the law that they should not raise arms against us.

And we should be able to utilize their oil refineries at will.

That's what we should be doing.

Then with the energy gained from the Middle East, we should be turning those energy into scientific research such as rocket ships that can collect minerals from the space.

We should be developing unused land across the country into modern cities where trains can reach there and businesses can flourish.

We should be developing the next generation of automated robots so that our domestic companies can have more autonomy from the other countries.

We should be upgrading our nuclear plants to make them safer.

This is what we should be doing.

some of those are good ideas; some are already being done; some are fundamentally unsound ideas; some are just not possible.
do you want a response on which are which, and the reasons thereof?

what we should be doing is using entirely sound ideas; and maek those decisions with an actual understanding of the topics sufficient to determine that.


I'm talking about the ideal direction for America if everybody in the country worked toward those goals without any form of disruption and where everybody in the country is collaborating for sake of Americans.

Yeah, the last time a country tried something something like this it was called World War II.

Here's a tip: the rest of the world doesn't like when one nation tries to take control of others for their own betterment.


You must be blind, nobody said that we should be waging wars against decent human being.

But we should be discouraging people that follows objectively awful rules.
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On September 29 2016 03:23 RealityIsKing wrote:
Okay so basically Hillary and Trump comes from two different philosophical standpoint on how the country's economy should function.

Hillary advocates for decreasing taxes for the middle class, increase minimum wage and increasing taxes for the upper class to balance out the income classes.

Trump advocates for lessening restrictions for companies so that companies can expand more and thus creating more jobs for people to take instead of forcing domestic companies to sell/produce in developing countries.

Yes Trump is advocating trickle down economics. A concept that has been repeatedly proven to not work. If you cut taxes on companies they pay the CEO bigger bonuses. They don't make more jobs because the demand does not exist.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
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