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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
I enjoy how calling Trump a bad person makes everyone who supports him an equally terrible person by proxy, therefor even making the argument means you hate all their supporters. Amazing tactic to shut down all discussion about Trumps numerous flaws. On September 26 2016 02:49 farvacola wrote: Trump is just like 75% of the electorate, says the Canadian who routinely ignore over 75% of what makes up US politics. TL has attracted this weird subgroup of Canadians that are super invested in American exceptionalism and our politics. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 26 2016 02:23 FiWiFaKi wrote: Either way, he's nothing out of the ordinary compared to an average citizen in terms of character... So unless you're calling 75% of the population monsters, Trump is fine. I would consider far more than 75% of the population to have a character unfit to be POTUS. I don't want someone "ordinary" to be President, because "ordinary" people in the US fuck things up on a day to day basis at a frequency that's totally unacceptable for a world leader. Unfortunately, that includes both of my options this year. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Doesn't mean he'd make a great president though. Personally I don't see this as the right way to effect positive change. | ||
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oBlade
United States6337 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 26 2016 02:56 LegalLord wrote: Trump isn't the super-Hitler that all of his detractors, including some of the most vocal liberals in here, make him out to be. He is problematic in that he is prone to lying and hyperbole, but he does also address a lot of genuine issues that the mainstream political establishment tends to completely write off. Their response to him is in part a fear of how he would upend a lot of ideas currently being pushed, like trade and interventionism, that have colossal support from the leadership but not so much from the population. That he has brought attention to a lot of problems with mainstream politics does not mean I consider him the right person to solve them. In fact, the type of person who has the personality and character to bring public attention to major problems also frequently does not have the temperament and the rationality to develop sound solutions to them. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On September 26 2016 03:01 Plansix wrote: I don't know, I think people are justified in being super scared of the people backing Trump. He is the Breitbart president, the CEO is on Trumps pay roll. That publication caters to a very specific group of the electorate and a lot of them don't like gays, black or liberals. At all. And its hard to believe that the people on his campaign won't end up in places of power in the administration. That factor is not lost on those from the middle of the political spectrum. But it's not a rationalization for the "stop Trump, nothing else matters" position that many people push. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 26 2016 02:56 LegalLord wrote: Trump isn't the super-Hitler that all of his detractors, including some of the most vocal liberals in here, make him out to be. He is problematic in that he is prone to lying and hyperbole, but he does also address a lot of genuine issues that the mainstream political establishment tends to completely write off. Their response to him is in part a fear of how he would upend a lot of ideas currently being pushed, like trade and interventionism, that have colossal support from the leadership but not so much from the population. Doesn't mean he'd make a great president though. Personally I don't see this as the right way to effect positive change. your opening statement is incorrect; it's not all of his detractors that make him out to be that. more like, almost none of them. really almost noone uses the actual hitler comparison. also, most of his detractors don't place him even that far into the evil pile; so please don't make the partisanship worse with utterly false claims about how his detractors view him. the response isn't because of his upending establishment; it's because he's just plain terrible. also, he's not truly addressing any issues, he's just yelling about them with no real actual plans. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On September 26 2016 02:23 FiWiFaKi wrote: If you think Trump is racist or sexist you know nothing about him. Either way, he's nothing out of the ordinary compared to an average citizen in terms of character... So unless you're calling 75% of the population monsters, Trump is fine. I'd like to dispute this one. Maybe the average citizen harbors some subconscious stereotypes and such, but there's a lot more than that on Trump. How about explicitly discriminating against black would-be tenants in his apartments in the 70's because he wanted to only rent to only rich whites and Jews? How about this quote attributed to him by a former employee (which he denied at the time but later admitted was probably true): Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes… Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else…Besides that, I tell you something else. I think that’s guy’s lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. At least before Trump ran, I liked to believe the average voter was less racist than that. Now I guess I'm less certain, but it still seems pretty ugly. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On September 26 2016 02:56 LegalLord wrote: Trump isn't the super-Hitler that many of his detractors, including some of the most vocal liberals in here, make him out to be. He is problematic in that he is prone to lying and hyperbole, but he does also address a lot of genuine issues that the mainstream political establishment tends to completely write off. Their response to him is in part a fear of how he would upend a lot of ideas currently being pushed, like trade and interventionism, that have colossal support from the leadership but not so much from the population. Doesn't mean he'd make a great president though. Personally I don't see this as the right way to effect positive change. Trump does address a lot of issues that need to be addressed that the Left is scared to talk about. The problem is that Trump addresses them in all the wrong ways. | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On September 26 2016 03:10 Stratos_speAr wrote: Trump does address a lot of issues that need to be addressed that the Left is scared to talk about. The problem is that Trump addresses them in all the wrong ways. Maybe to you. But Trump know that this is the only way to win the election. The presidency is a race to see who have the most interesting storyline and have been for years. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On September 26 2016 03:05 zlefin wrote: your opening statement is incorrect; it's not all of his detractors that make him out to be that. more like, almost none of them. really almost noone uses the actual hitler comparison. also, most of his detractors don't place him even that far into the evil pile; so please don't make the partisanship worse with utterly false claims about how his detractors view him. the response isn't because of his upending establishment; it's because he's just plain terrible. also, he's not truly addressing any issues, he's just yelling about them with no real actual plans. Not sure why I wrote "all" - I meant "many." I remember quite well how people compared Trump rallies to Hitler rallies. The comparison has been made, and it continued to be made until people realized that no one who wasn't already pre-convinced wasn't buying it. The underlying message of "Trump is racist sexist fascist super Hitler" hasn't changed. The reason establishment politicians oppose him is different from the reason ordinary peasants oppose him. I've heard a lot about how much Trump has touched a nerve with his anti-NATO rhetoric among the militarily inclined. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9240 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On September 26 2016 03:10 Stratos_speAr wrote: Trump does address a lot of issues that need to be addressed that the Left is scared to talk about. The problem is that Trump addresses them in all the wrong ways. You're not wrong. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
and even at the time; people noted that while there were similarities, there were also a lot of differences, and he wasn't hitler grade. so no, you'roe being needlessly partisan I think; and misrepresenting the other side. not sure what your point is about NATO; so can't really respond to it past trump screwed up horribly there and hurt the us already just as a candidate. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 26 2016 03:12 Dan HH wrote: Trump isn't super-Hitler, he's super-Berlusconi He is Nixon/McCarthy 2.0. Populist and peddling fear. | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On September 26 2016 03:16 Plansix wrote: He is Nixon/McCarthy 2.0. Populist and peddling fear. The definition of an election is to make the majority of the people happy. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 26 2016 03:19 RealityIsKing wrote: The definition of an election is to make the majority of the people happy. i'd say it's more a method of selecting a leader who will do the best job. | ||
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