US Politics Mega-thread - Page 4911

On September 07 2016 03:21 biology]major wrote:


I expect her to go all out in targeting Trump in those areas, because it is the only way for her to control the optics of the debate. However I don't think he will react in a destructive manner, because it is laughable how many lines of attack he has on her personally, not having anything to do with policy.

On September 07 2016 03:23 Doodsmack wrote:


Hard to conceive how the only way to control the optics of the debate is something other than policy. There will be a lot of policy questions, you know - many more than at the GOP debates, which were more of a wrestling match with little substantive input from Trump. Trump is a newbie to the type of debate he's going into with Hillary.

On September 07 2016 03:35 Doodsmack wrote:
There are a lot of questions about policy in a long debate with 2 people. And you saying "well known and established" is pretty funny considering you would not be able to tell me what half of Trump's policies are.

On September 07 2016 03:25 xDaunt wrote:
I strongly suspect that the Breitbart crew has put a pretty strong leash on Trump. I expect him to be more disciplined from here on out.

Compelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall

Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:

On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.

On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.

On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.
Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.
Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.

Conclusion: Mexico has taken advantage of us in another way as well: gangs, drug traffickers and cartels have freely exploited our open borders and committed vast numbers of crimes inside the United States. The United States has borne the extraordinary daily cost of this criminal activity, including the cost of trials and incarcerations. Not to mention the even greater human cost. We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it in order to Make America Great Again.

On September 07 2016 04:52 ticklishmusic wrote:


lets compare, hmm?

the fact they're a similar format is kind of funny and makes all sorts of comparisons possible

On September 07 2016 04:49 TheYango wrote:

If this is true, it's actually pretty ironic given how people expected the opposite when they came onboard.

On September 07 2016 04:55 Falling wrote:
Oh interesting. The website now has a step by step plan on how to make Mexico pay for the wall:

On September 07 2016 04:49 TheYango wrote:

If this is true, it's actually pretty ironic given how people expected the opposite when they came onboard.

On September 07 2016 04:52 ticklishmusic wrote:


lets compare, hmm?

the fact they're a similar format is kind of funny and makes all sorts of comparisons possible

On September 07 2016 05:06 oBlade wrote:

People who are staunchly/emotionally anti-Trump might think a disciplined Trump means more someone who's like Romney or a worse version of Hillary, someone predictable and a pushover. That is, people confuse the fact that his message is unpalatable to them with him being undisciplined, I think.

On September 07 2016 05:14 KwarK wrote:
Trump has a stance on the environment, he thinks it was something made up by the Chinese to make American manufacturing less competitive. Never mind that you can't fucking breathe the air in some Chinese cities.

New York attorney general Eric Schneiderman has launched an investigation into Mylan Pharmaceuticals, the maker of EpiPens, after the company was revealed to have increased the price of its life-saving allergy medication and device by 471% since acquiring it in 2007.

According to the attorney general’s preliminary review of Mylan’s sales contract with a local school system, its terms may have included “potentially anticompetitive terms”.

EpiPens are used to administer medication to someone experiencing anaphylaxis, which is an allergic reaction that causes airways to swell and close.

“No child’s life should be put at risk because a parent, school, or healthcare provider cannot afford a simple, life-saving device because of a drug-maker’s anti-competitive practices,” Schneiderman said on Tuesday. “If Mylan engaged in anti-competitive business practices, or violated antitrust laws with the intent and effect of limiting lower cost competition, we will hold them accountable. Allergy sufferers have enough concerns to worry about – the availability of life-saving medical treatment should not be one of them.”

A Mylan spokeswoman told the Guardian that the EpiPen4Schools program provides free EpiPens.

“The program continues to adhere to all applicable laws and regulations. There are no purchase requirements for participation in the program, nor have there ever been to receive free EpiPen Auto-Injectors,” she said in an emailed statement. “Previously, schools who wished to purchase EpiPen Auto-Injectors beyond those they were eligible to receive free under the program could elect to do so at a certain discount level with a limited purchase restriction, but such restriction no longer remains.”

Schneiderman is not the only one who wants Mylan and its CEO Heather Bresch to answer questions about its business practices.

Shortly after the news about the EpiPen price hike spread, senators Susan Collins and Claire McCaskill requested that Bresch testify before the Senate special committee on aging. They asked that she appear within the next two weeks. The two weeks will be up on Thursday.

Compelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall

Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:

On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.

On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.

On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.
Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.
Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.

Conclusion: Mexico has taken advantage of us in another way as well: gangs, drug traffickers and cartels have freely exploited our open borders and committed vast numbers of crimes inside the United States. The United States has borne the extraordinary daily cost of this criminal activity, including the cost of trials and incarcerations. Not to mention the even greater human cost. We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it in order to Make America Great Again.