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On August 12 2016 21:48 L1ghtning wrote:
Obama didn't found ISIS, but his and Clinton's foreign policy lead to the rise of ISIS, and the EU "refugee crisis".
Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya. They were involved in all of those civil wars on the side of radical islam. On top of that they were involved in Ukraine, which gave Russia valid reasons to invade and annex Crimea. Similarly now in Syria, USA's foreign policy has enabled Russia to join on the opposite side. The russians are fighting (in a very popular war) against ppl who are armed with american guns. Please try and put yourself in the shoes of a russian soldier, and imagine how this situation would make you feel?
The Obama/Clinton administration has systematically targeted secular regimes in the muslim world, and they have destabilized most of the region, broken apart all the goodwill they had built with Russia since the fall of the USSR, and manufactured a "refugee crisis" that is currently destroying Europe.
If only it were so well that Obama was ONLY the founder of ISIS. Stop supporting leaders who are actively destroying the world!
And when a journalist mentioned this nuance to Trump the man stood behind his use of the word Founder so no, Trump did not mean anything different as per his own comment.
+ Show Spoiler +HH: I’ve got two more questions. Last night, you said the President was the founder of ISIS. I know what you meant. You meant that he created the vacuum, he lost the peace. DT: No, I meant he’s the founder of ISIS. I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton. HH: But he’s not sympathetic to them. He hates them. He’s trying to kill them. DT: I don’t care. He was the founder. His, the way he got out of Iraq was that that was the founding of ISIS, okay? HH: Well, that, you know, I have a saying, Donald Trump, the pneumonic device I use is Every Liberal Really Seems So, So Sad. E is for Egypt, L is for Libya, S is for Syria, R is for Russia reset. They screwed everything up. You don’t get any argument from me. But by using the term founder, they’re hitting with you on this again. Mistake? DT: No, it’s no mistake. Everyone’s liking it. I think they’re liking it. I give him the most valuable player award. And I give it to him, and I give it to, I gave the co-founder to Hillary. I don’t know if you heard that. HH: I did. I did. I played it. DT: I gave her the co-founder. HH: I know what you’re arguing… DT: You’re not, and let me ask you, do you not like that? HH: I don’t. I think I would say they created, they lost the peace. They created the Libyan vacuum, they created the vacuum into which ISIS came, but they didn’t create ISIS. That’s what I would say. DT: Well, I disagree. HH: All right, that’s okay. DT: I mean, with his bad policies, that’s why ISIS came about. HH: That’s… DT: If he would have done things properly, you wouldn’t have had ISIS. HH: That’s true. DT: Therefore, he was the founder of ISIS. HH: And that’s, I’d just use different language to communicate it, but let me close with this, because I know I’m keeping you long, and Hope’s going to kill me. DT: But they wouldn’t talk about your language, and they do talk about my language, right? http://www.hughhewitt.com/donald-trump-makes-return-visit/#more-31501
Mind you, that interview was before he went "lol sarcasm" on the entire thing. Which is all the more funny when he says something like No, it’s no mistake. Everyone’s liking it. I think they’re liking it. .
It must be getting really tiring for the people around Trump to convince him to walk back his dumb remarks every single day.
No wonder they are 'suicidal'
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But I mean come on, he was just being sarcastic.
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Donald Trump trumpeted a confident assessment of his campaign on Thursday night, saying there was no need for him to encourage voters to head to the polls on election day.
Asked by Fox News’ Eric Bolling about the open letter by 70 Republicans asking the Republican National Committee to redirect funding from the presidential race to down-ballot campaigns, Trump said he didn’t need their assistance.
“One of the big things about he RNC is they have this whole infrastructure of data and information and contacts and email lists and mailing lists and phone numbers. That is something that is important to your campaign,” Bolling said. “That’s not at risk. Is that in jeopardy at all?”
“I don’t know. I will let you know on the ninth, on November 9th,” Trump replied.
“We are gonna have tremendous turnout from the evangelicals, from the miners, from the people that make our steel, from people that are getting killed by trade deals, from people that have been just decimated, from the military who are with Trump 100 percent,” he went on. “From our vets because I’m going to take care of the vets.”
“I don’t know that we need to get out the vote,” the Republican nominee concluded. “I think people that really want to vote, they’re gonna just get up and vote for Trump. And we’re going to make America great again.”
The Trump campaign has yet to develop on-the-ground support in critical battleground states as election day draws nearer and Hillary Clinton's poll numbers in those states rise. Trump has only one field office in all of Florida, as Politico reported, and lacks the basics of a campaign in Hamilton County, a key county in the swing state of Ohio.
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Hats off to all you guys trying to/ engaging with Trump supporters. I just can't even imagine how to begin. I see this man, I hear what he says and how he behaves, and in my mind there's just not enough fantasy to even remotely fathom a world in which anybody can see anything but a conniving, cowardly clown with an ego the size of the planet. What could possibly be going on in the heads of those people cheering for him?
The Bell Curve- the bane of Democracy.
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"He says what I'm thinking!!"
Well, you have shitty, racist thoughts.
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On August 12 2016 22:23 nothingmuch wrote:
Hats off to all you guys trying to/ engaging with Trump supporters. I just can't even imagine how to begin. I see this man, I hear what he says and how he behaves, and in my mind there's just not enough fantasy to even remotely fathom a world in which anybody can see anything but a conniving, cowardly clown with an ego the size of the planet. What could possibly be going on in the heads of those people cheering for him?
The Bell Curve- the bane of Democracy.
So everyone voting for Trump is a low intelligence idividual in your eyes?
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Why on earth does Trump think evangelicals love him exactly? That's as bizarre as his idea that Hispanics loved him from early in the primary season.
Also, wtf is his whole "Most valuable player" fixation in that interview? Can he think of another term please?
I think that was the blackberry (or iPhone). Whichever isn't Trump.
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On August 12 2016 22:33 PassiveAce wrote:
"He says what I'm thinking!!"
Well, you have shitty, racist thoughts.
I literally lol'd in the office reading that. Thank you, you've made my Friday better.
@Tenth - It's not about them loving him. It's about him saying that they love him until they forget they dont love him, and then they'll love him.
"I'll fuck you until you love me."
(Alternatively, it's to convince people into thinking he has such a huge and wide base, he's gotta be right).
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On August 12 2016 22:33 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 22:23 nothingmuch wrote:
Hats off to all you guys trying to/ engaging with Trump supporters. I just can't even imagine how to begin. I see this man, I hear what he says and how he behaves, and in my mind there's just not enough fantasy to even remotely fathom a world in which anybody can see anything but a conniving, cowardly clown with an ego the size of the planet. What could possibly be going on in the heads of those people cheering for him?
The Bell Curve- the bane of Democracy. So everyone voting for Trump is a low intelligence idividual in your eyes?
Depends on why they vote for him. If they actually believe in what he says then yes. They are stupid.
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On August 12 2016 22:33 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 22:23 nothingmuch wrote:
Hats off to all you guys trying to/ engaging with Trump supporters. I just can't even imagine how to begin. I see this man, I hear what he says and how he behaves, and in my mind there's just not enough fantasy to even remotely fathom a world in which anybody can see anything but a conniving, cowardly clown with an ego the size of the planet. What could possibly be going on in the heads of those people cheering for him?
The Bell Curve- the bane of Democracy. So everyone voting for Trump is a low intelligence idividual in your eyes?
I'm sure there are reasons to vote for him for people of above average intelligence, but those reasons can only be based in extreme selfishness. People who cheer for him though- I have a hard time seeing anything but cluelessness born in stupidity there. (this might say more about me than about them, like I said, I try to understand their "reasoning" and I fail utterly).
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The ironic thing in all of this? Both sides have large and varying anti establishment rebellions going on and both are tired of neoliberal policies.
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I think blanket statements of the type 'everyone who votes for him is stupid or selfish' are wrong, baseless and harmful to the political discourse. Equating political preference with intelligence doesn't really hold up either (you can make that case in regards to swallowing a populist message or not, but not for the conservative/liberal dichotomy. And while trump is populist, many of his supporters seem to be his supporters because he is the non-liberal alternative with a chance at winning).
I also understand why it's easy to make these statements and draw these conclusions, but I've seen enough people whose intelligence clearly equal or surpass my own whose political opinions greatly differ from my own to draw the conclusion that intelligence and political position is hardly related. And I think the selfishness-selflessness- separation is also a very difficult distinction to make - my own perceived selflessness normally originates from some degree of selfishness, not in the ayn randian greed is good sense, but in the sense that being selfless makes me feel good about myself - but I can only be selfless as long as it is not self-defeating. People from less privileged positions cannot be equally selfless without it being more self-defeating.
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You would think that at some point, Trump becomes so unviable a President that even Republicans should prefer Hillary.
#CountryBeforeParty #HistoryIsWatching
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On August 12 2016 23:11 Doodsmack wrote:
You would think that at some point, Trump becomes so unviable a President that even Republicans should prefer Hillary.
#CountryBeforeParty #HistoryIsWatching
Technically Mr. Khan was that point for some.
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On August 12 2016 23:03 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I think blanket statements of the type 'everyone who votes for him is stupid or selfish' are wrong, baseless and harmful to the political discourse. Equating political preference with intelligence doesn't really hold up either (you can make that case in regards to swallowing a populist message or not, but not for the conservative/liberal dichotomy. And while trump is populist, many of his supporters seem to be his supporters because he is the non-liberal alternative with a chance at winning).
I also understand why it's easy to make these statements and draw these conclusions, but I've seen enough people whose intelligence clearly equal or surpass my own whose political opinions greatly differ from my own to draw the conclusion that intelligence and political position is hardly related. And I think the selfishness-selflessness- separation is also a very difficult distinction to make - my own perceived selflessness normally originates from some degree of selfishness, not in the ayn randian greed is good sense, but in the sense that being selfless makes me feel good about myself - but I can only be selfless as long as it is not self-defeating. People from less privileged positions cannot be equally selfless without it being more self-defeating.
I was trying to make the distinction between people who believe (in) Trump, and people who see him for what he is, but vote for him anyway because they profit. I wasn't trying to get into the metaphysics of self -ish and -lessness  . Everything a "self" does is "selfish" by definition.
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Has Trump's child care lie come up in this thread yet? I guess when you need voters it's important to tell lies to them every day.
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I wonder what sparked this twitter tantrum on Trump's twitter.
Sometimes I have to remind myself this person is running for President of the United States, since it is so at odds with common sense.
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To be fair, as a Hillary supporter, the recent emails do prove that she sold access to State through CF. And that's very bad corruption. But Trump is so fundamentally flawed as to be a non-candidate.
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