|
Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up! NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious. Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action. |
On August 03 2016 23:59 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 23:50 Doodsmack wrote:
The idea that Trump makes those jabs at Ryan and McCain out of petty revenge, at such an important time...and people actually want this guy to be president? He is a petulant child with no understanding of the issues.
It's not the media, it's Trump. To claim otherwise is dishonest. Well he will get in history book as a warning : this is what happens when a whole party plays the demagogy card and disregards facts and reality for a whole decade. The GOP has been playing with fire for way, way, way too long. The question is not whether or not Trump will be elected (he won't) or damage for a long time the GOP (he already has), but if Republican leaders are gonna learn anything from that utter fiasco.
Are you the one we call to get naked pictures of Hillary ?
|
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On August 03 2016 22:51 WhiteDog wrote:
It's the Brexit all over again ; the elite will all run under Clinton.
Though the issues in the US are far less pressing than those in Britain so at this point I think the status quo will prevail.
|
On August 04 2016 00:09 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 22:51 WhiteDog wrote:
It's the Brexit all over again ; the elite will all run under Clinton. Though the issues in the US are far less pressing than those in Britain so at this point I think the status quo will prevail.
Yes, I was not at all comparing in this manner. I was "for" Brexit, I'm not for Trump at all. Still it's really interesting that the entire occident is basically in the same situation : a degenerescence of the public debate and politics (with retarded candidates everywhere and a lack of debates), a dissenssion between what the mass media/the elites think and a big part of the population, the rise of new figures with rather odd positions, etc.
|
On August 03 2016 23:59 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 23:50 Doodsmack wrote:
The idea that Trump makes those jabs at Ryan and McCain out of petty revenge, at such an important time...and people actually want this guy to be president? He is a petulant child with no understanding of the issues.
It's not the media, it's Trump. To claim otherwise is dishonest. The GOP has been playing with fire for way, way, way too long.
I would argue the GOP did not have a choice. The democratic party, as an idea, was significantly better poised to stay relevant in a society that is advancing rapidly, faster than ever before.
I think it's really important to take a look at the social conservatism that was acceptable 50 years ago and compare it to today. It feels like forever right now, but think about what the world was even like 20 years ago, before the internet created an extremely connected English-speaking world.
Social conservatism is plain and simply on its way out. The democratic party was ready and waiting for this and it is just making things easier at this point. With college enrollment rates skyrocketing and the impact of the internet, the GOP had no choice but to double down on crazy. The majority of the country is, by nature, gravitating away from the idea of Christianity being an important part of American politics.
|
On August 03 2016 23:59 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 23:50 Doodsmack wrote:
The idea that Trump makes those jabs at Ryan and McCain out of petty revenge, at such an important time...and people actually want this guy to be president? He is a petulant child with no understanding of the issues.
It's not the media, it's Trump. To claim otherwise is dishonest. Well he will get in history book as a warning : this is what happens when a whole party plays the demagogy card and disregards facts and reality for a whole decade. The GOP has been playing with fire for way, way, way too long. The question is not whether or not Trump will be elected (he won't) or damage for a long time the GOP (he already has), but if Republican leaders are gonna learn anything from that utter fiasco.
GOP leadership learned their lesson. They have tried to pivot towards the center in recent years but the reality is that they are no longer in control.
|
United States41984 Posts
On August 03 2016 10:56 Sermokala wrote:
The US defense department is a bureaucracy on a scale unimaginable by anyone in any other time in history. Even the british empire in his highest of days knew to delegate into the india companies. The only way to tame that beast is to split it up likewise between a few different defense agencies and appoint the secretary to be above it all.
Actually the British Empire at its height was long, long after the passing of the India Act, the end of the East India Company and the emergence of direct British rule and administration over legal colonies through viceroys. Although the British administration of India is itself fascinating. There were approximately a thousand civil servants running the whole of India which was already one of the most populous nations on earth and they were all extremely educated and dedicated career administrators. Obviously it wasn't perfect but given one administrator per 350,000 people it was remarkably efficient and effective.
|
On August 04 2016 00:12 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 23:59 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 03 2016 23:50 Doodsmack wrote:
The idea that Trump makes those jabs at Ryan and McCain out of petty revenge, at such an important time...and people actually want this guy to be president? He is a petulant child with no understanding of the issues.
It's not the media, it's Trump. To claim otherwise is dishonest. The GOP has been playing with fire for way, way, way too long. I would argue the GOP did not have a choice. The democratic party, as an idea, was significantly better poised to stay relevant in a society that is advancing rapidly, faster than ever before. I think it's really important to take a look at the social conservatism that was acceptable 50 years ago and compare it to today. It feels like forever right now, but think about what the world was even like 20 years ago, before the internet created an extremely connected English-speaking world. Social conservatism is plain and simply on its way out. The democratic party was ready and waiting for this and it is just making things easier at this point. With college enrollment rates skyrocketing and the impact of the internet, the GOP had no choice but to double down on crazy. The majority of the country is, by nature, gravitating away from the idea of Christianity being an important part of American politics.
They have had a choice to move away from the Southern strategy every election. The concept of “Reagan democrats” existed in the 80s and they can capture those people again. They just need to ditch these tactics of voter repression through ID laws and get away from the line in the sand on immigration reform. Reagan allowed illegal immigrates to stay in the US, which many current Republicans like to forget when they get down to worship Reagan.
|
On August 04 2016 00:09 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 23:59 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 03 2016 23:50 Doodsmack wrote:
The idea that Trump makes those jabs at Ryan and McCain out of petty revenge, at such an important time...and people actually want this guy to be president? He is a petulant child with no understanding of the issues.
It's not the media, it's Trump. To claim otherwise is dishonest. Well he will get in history book as a warning : this is what happens when a whole party plays the demagogy card and disregards facts and reality for a whole decade. The GOP has been playing with fire for way, way, way too long. The question is not whether or not Trump will be elected (he won't) or damage for a long time the GOP (he already has), but if Republican leaders are gonna learn anything from that utter fiasco. Are you the one we call to get naked pictures of Hillary ?
Do you have a point in this thread or are you just there to play the cool nihilistic againt-the-system smartass french kid?
The great thing of the internet is that contrarily to people i talk with in paris, there are much less of those.
It's not my role on this forum to tell you what to do and how to behave, but don't expect people to take you seriously if you go around with such a vain approach.
Anyway. Back on topic.
|
On August 04 2016 00:19 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2016 00:09 WhiteDog wrote:On August 03 2016 23:59 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 03 2016 23:50 Doodsmack wrote:
The idea that Trump makes those jabs at Ryan and McCain out of petty revenge, at such an important time...and people actually want this guy to be president? He is a petulant child with no understanding of the issues.
It's not the media, it's Trump. To claim otherwise is dishonest. Well he will get in history book as a warning : this is what happens when a whole party plays the demagogy card and disregards facts and reality for a whole decade. The GOP has been playing with fire for way, way, way too long. The question is not whether or not Trump will be elected (he won't) or damage for a long time the GOP (he already has), but if Republican leaders are gonna learn anything from that utter fiasco. Are you the one we call to get naked pictures of Hillary ? Do you have a point in this thread or are you just there to play the cool nihilistic againt-the-system smartass french kid? The great thing of the internet is that contrarily to people i talk with in paris, there are much less of those. It's not my role on this forum to tell you what to do and how to behave, but don't expect people to take you seriously if you go around with such a vain approach. Anyway. Back on topic.
How am I a nihilist ? You spend your time saying Trump is a fool, just like you were criticizing Sanders before. If your entire point is that people who run against Hillary should behave like Hillary and her campaign wants them to, one post would be sufficient.
|
On August 04 2016 00:19 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2016 00:12 Mohdoo wrote:On August 03 2016 23:59 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 03 2016 23:50 Doodsmack wrote:
The idea that Trump makes those jabs at Ryan and McCain out of petty revenge, at such an important time...and people actually want this guy to be president? He is a petulant child with no understanding of the issues.
It's not the media, it's Trump. To claim otherwise is dishonest. The GOP has been playing with fire for way, way, way too long. I would argue the GOP did not have a choice. The democratic party, as an idea, was significantly better poised to stay relevant in a society that is advancing rapidly, faster than ever before. I think it's really important to take a look at the social conservatism that was acceptable 50 years ago and compare it to today. It feels like forever right now, but think about what the world was even like 20 years ago, before the internet created an extremely connected English-speaking world. Social conservatism is plain and simply on its way out. The democratic party was ready and waiting for this and it is just making things easier at this point. With college enrollment rates skyrocketing and the impact of the internet, the GOP had no choice but to double down on crazy. The majority of the country is, by nature, gravitating away from the idea of Christianity being an important part of American politics. They have had a choice to move away from the Southern strategy every election. The concept of “Reagan democrats” existed in the 80s and they can capture those people again. They just need to ditch these tactics of voter repression through ID laws and get away from the line in the sand on immigration reform. Reagan allowed illegal immigrates to stay in the US, which many current Republicans like to forget when they get down to worship Reagan.
I imagine they are skeptical of that. By trying to be a shitty version of democrats, they just end up losing the religious base, get horrible turnout and only ending up winning the right of center folks.
|
On August 04 2016 00:25 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2016 00:19 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 04 2016 00:09 WhiteDog wrote:On August 03 2016 23:59 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 03 2016 23:50 Doodsmack wrote:
The idea that Trump makes those jabs at Ryan and McCain out of petty revenge, at such an important time...and people actually want this guy to be president? He is a petulant child with no understanding of the issues.
It's not the media, it's Trump. To claim otherwise is dishonest. Well he will get in history book as a warning : this is what happens when a whole party plays the demagogy card and disregards facts and reality for a whole decade. The GOP has been playing with fire for way, way, way too long. The question is not whether or not Trump will be elected (he won't) or damage for a long time the GOP (he already has), but if Republican leaders are gonna learn anything from that utter fiasco. Are you the one we call to get naked pictures of Hillary ? Do you have a point in this thread or are you just there to play the cool nihilistic againt-the-system smartass french kid? The great thing of the internet is that contrarily to people i talk with in paris, there are much less of those. It's not my role on this forum to tell you what to do and how to behave, but don't expect people to take you seriously if you go around with such a vain approach. Anyway. Back on topic. How am I a nihilist ? You spend your time saying Trump is a fool, just like you were criticizing Sanders before. If your entire point is that people who run against Hillary should behave like Hillary and her campaign wants them to, one post would be sufficient.
As i repeated many times, i am mich closer politically to Sanders than to Clinton and I only criticized a campaign that was filled with negativity and personal attacks.
As for Trump being a dangerous lunatic, ye, I do think he is.
I've contributed substantially since day one. If your input is to mix ad hominem with sexist gravellous jokes, I am not interested.
So again, I posted about Trump being a result of the GOP praying on people's fear for years. Do you have sometging to contribute, for or against, or is your only answer is to talk about naked pictures because that's the only thing a woman running for office inspires you?
|
On August 04 2016 00:25 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2016 00:19 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 04 2016 00:09 WhiteDog wrote:On August 03 2016 23:59 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 03 2016 23:50 Doodsmack wrote:
The idea that Trump makes those jabs at Ryan and McCain out of petty revenge, at such an important time...and people actually want this guy to be president? He is a petulant child with no understanding of the issues.
It's not the media, it's Trump. To claim otherwise is dishonest. Well he will get in history book as a warning : this is what happens when a whole party plays the demagogy card and disregards facts and reality for a whole decade. The GOP has been playing with fire for way, way, way too long. The question is not whether or not Trump will be elected (he won't) or damage for a long time the GOP (he already has), but if Republican leaders are gonna learn anything from that utter fiasco. Are you the one we call to get naked pictures of Hillary ? Do you have a point in this thread or are you just there to play the cool nihilistic againt-the-system smartass french kid? The great thing of the internet is that contrarily to people i talk with in paris, there are much less of those. It's not my role on this forum to tell you what to do and how to behave, but don't expect people to take you seriously if you go around with such a vain approach. Anyway. Back on topic. How am I a nihilist ? You spend your time saying Trump is a fool, just like you were criticizing Sanders before. If your entire point is that people who run against Hillary should behave like Hillary and her campaign wants them to, one post would be sufficient.
Whitedog, your posts do have this tone of dethatched pleasure at watching people struggle to deal with their nation’s populist movements. As with the Brexit, the close we get to the vote, the more personal this becomes for people. I have said it before, but we have close friends that are terrified of Trump. Their children are being told by other students that Trump will deport them. So if you bring the snark, don’t be shocked when people fire back.
|
On August 04 2016 00:29 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2016 00:19 Plansix wrote:On August 04 2016 00:12 Mohdoo wrote:On August 03 2016 23:59 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 03 2016 23:50 Doodsmack wrote:
The idea that Trump makes those jabs at Ryan and McCain out of petty revenge, at such an important time...and people actually want this guy to be president? He is a petulant child with no understanding of the issues.
It's not the media, it's Trump. To claim otherwise is dishonest. The GOP has been playing with fire for way, way, way too long. I would argue the GOP did not have a choice. The democratic party, as an idea, was significantly better poised to stay relevant in a society that is advancing rapidly, faster than ever before. I think it's really important to take a look at the social conservatism that was acceptable 50 years ago and compare it to today. It feels like forever right now, but think about what the world was even like 20 years ago, before the internet created an extremely connected English-speaking world. Social conservatism is plain and simply on its way out. The democratic party was ready and waiting for this and it is just making things easier at this point. With college enrollment rates skyrocketing and the impact of the internet, the GOP had no choice but to double down on crazy. The majority of the country is, by nature, gravitating away from the idea of Christianity being an important part of American politics. They have had a choice to move away from the Southern strategy every election. The concept of “Reagan democrats” existed in the 80s and they can capture those people again. They just need to ditch these tactics of voter repression through ID laws and get away from the line in the sand on immigration reform. Reagan allowed illegal immigrates to stay in the US, which many current Republicans like to forget when they get down to worship Reagan. I imagine they are skeptical of that. By trying to be a shitty version of democrats, they just end up losing the religious base, get horrible turnout and only ending up winning the right of center folks.
They don’t need to be a shitty version of the democrats. Our country worked a lot better when the two parties were not so far apart that one side demonizes government and the other side is pushing to invest in rebuilding bridges before they fall down.
|
On August 04 2016 00:06 Dan HH wrote:
The spokesperson that keeps on giving
How on earth did she get this job? She doesn't even pronounce onus correctly and completely flew off-message.
|
On August 04 2016 00:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:How on earth did she get this job? She doesn't even pronounce onus correctly and completely flew off-message.
This tendency during her interview is likely what made her shine so brightly in Trump's eyes.
|
On August 04 2016 00:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:How on earth did she get this job? She doesn't even pronounce onus correctly and completely flew off-message.
Although valid, those were not the things that made me wonder how she got the job. It is the long list of still viewable tweets that very clearly point to her being racist and homophobic.
|
either they didnt vet her or they didnt care
actually, probably both
|
On August 04 2016 00:45 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2016 00:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:How on earth did she get this job? She doesn't even pronounce onus correctly and completely flew off-message. This tendency during her interview is likely what made her shine so brightly in Trump's eyes.
I mean, that's one of the truly extraordinary things in this race; that the guy managed to go so far with such amateurism and such a bunch of complete morons surrounding him.
That being said, you have to remember that eight years ago, Palin was on a presidential ticket, which is quite extraordinary too if you consider who she is.
Again, I am hoping that this election will be a vaccine fot the GOP and that they will seriously, seriously get their shit together.
And I believe they will because it's increasingly clear that they can't win an election with this kind of people. Palin was a self sabotage and such is the entirety of Trump's teams and strategies.
|
On August 04 2016 00:46 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2016 00:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:How on earth did she get this job? She doesn't even pronounce onus correctly and completely flew off-message. Although valid, those were not the things that made me wonder how she got the job. It is the long list of still viewable tweets that very clearly point to her being racist and homophobic.
She's decently pretty, doesn't look like a white female, and apparently has links to the Tea Party. I don't think Trump's team looked much beyond that, especially considering she was hired at the very beginning of his campaign.
|
On August 04 2016 00:19 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2016 00:12 Mohdoo wrote:On August 03 2016 23:59 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 03 2016 23:50 Doodsmack wrote:
The idea that Trump makes those jabs at Ryan and McCain out of petty revenge, at such an important time...and people actually want this guy to be president? He is a petulant child with no understanding of the issues.
It's not the media, it's Trump. To claim otherwise is dishonest. The GOP has been playing with fire for way, way, way too long. I would argue the GOP did not have a choice. The democratic party, as an idea, was significantly better poised to stay relevant in a society that is advancing rapidly, faster than ever before. I think it's really important to take a look at the social conservatism that was acceptable 50 years ago and compare it to today. It feels like forever right now, but think about what the world was even like 20 years ago, before the internet created an extremely connected English-speaking world. Social conservatism is plain and simply on its way out. The democratic party was ready and waiting for this and it is just making things easier at this point. With college enrollment rates skyrocketing and the impact of the internet, the GOP had no choice but to double down on crazy. The majority of the country is, by nature, gravitating away from the idea of Christianity being an important part of American politics. They have had a choice to move away from the Southern strategy every election. The concept of “Reagan democrats” existed in the 80s and they can capture those people again. They just need to ditch these tactics of voter repression through ID laws and get away from the line in the sand on immigration reform. Reagan allowed illegal immigrates to stay in the US, which many current Republicans like to forget when they get down to worship Reagan.
The Republican party tried to move toward the center on immigration reform. The base revolted.
If you can come up with a way for the Republican party to move toward the center without the base revolting and primarying everyone with Tea Party candidates I'm sure they'd love to hear it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
