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On August 03 2016 21:18 OuchyDathurts wrote:Please tell me this is a fucking joke. There's no way anyone on the planet is that stupid let alone one of the two candidates for president of the united states....
So who should i trust on nuclear weapon matter and worries : a retired four star general or your instinct?
Difficult, difficult..
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On August 03 2016 21:18 OuchyDathurts wrote:Please tell me this is a fucking joke. There's no way anyone on the planet is that stupid let alone one of the two candidates for president of the united states....
That's literally been our statement of incredulity ever since Trump started running for president.
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nevermind, I'm just misreading Biff's comment and being dumb hah
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Every once in a while I click a link to a Reddit thread and it always gives me further validation that it's a waste of my time and sanity.
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On August 03 2016 21:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 21:18 OuchyDathurts wrote:Please tell me this is a fucking joke. There's no way anyone on the planet is that stupid let alone one of the two candidates for president of the united states.... That's literally been our statement of incredulity ever since Trump started running for president.
Why can't we use nukes, they're just sitting around collecting dust is so far beyond the pale of anything he's said up to this point. The man isn't fit to run a bake sale let alone the most powerful country in the history of earth, he's proven that every single day. But let's bust out the nukes cuz we got em?! If the man actually said that I don't even know where to begin honestly.
On August 03 2016 21:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 21:18 OuchyDathurts wrote:Please tell me this is a fucking joke. There's no way anyone on the planet is that stupid let alone one of the two candidates for president of the united states.... So who should i trust on nuclear weapon matter and worries : a retired four star general or your instinct? Difficult, difficult..
Who are you even talking to?
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On August 03 2016 20:18 Reivax wrote:http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/I'll allow that Moore is a supremely polarizing figure, and very liberal/leftist. But is he correct in his base analysis here, his 5 points? I found it an interesting read, especially about the rust belt. If you look past his rhetoric, his actual points seem neutral. I did hear on the Slate Political Gabfest (I think) that essentially, the NAFTA agreement screwed over the manufacturing industry of the midwest, and todays economical minds in the US has nothing for all the disenfranchised people there. I.e. the jobs are gone, they're not coming back and you're on your own. Good luck. This is seems like a big failure of american politics, and is a severe negative for Clinton as she and her husband were among its supporters (although NAFTA had bipartiasan support, didn't it).
I agree, those are very convincing points he made.
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On August 03 2016 21:32 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 21:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 03 2016 21:18 OuchyDathurts wrote:Please tell me this is a fucking joke. There's no way anyone on the planet is that stupid let alone one of the two candidates for president of the united states.... That's literally been our statement of incredulity ever since Trump started running for president. Why can't we use nukes, they're just sitting around collecting dust is so far beyond the pale of anything he's said up to this point. The man isn't fit to run a bake sale let alone the most powerful country in the history of earth, he's proven that every single day. But let's bust out the nukes cuz we got em?! If the man actually said that I don't even know where to begin honestly. Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 21:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 03 2016 21:18 OuchyDathurts wrote:Please tell me this is a fucking joke. There's no way anyone on the planet is that stupid let alone one of the two candidates for president of the united states.... So who should i trust on nuclear weapon matter and worries : a retired four star general or your instinct? Difficult, difficult.. Who are you even talking to?
You, but it might be I didn't get your point, just as don't get the one you are making on this post.
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Guys guys, it's obvious Trump asked about the nukes to test the FP expert. The FP expert obviously failes to make the cut.
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On August 03 2016 21:36 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 21:32 OuchyDathurts wrote:On August 03 2016 21:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 03 2016 21:18 OuchyDathurts wrote:Please tell me this is a fucking joke. There's no way anyone on the planet is that stupid let alone one of the two candidates for president of the united states.... That's literally been our statement of incredulity ever since Trump started running for president. Why can't we use nukes, they're just sitting around collecting dust is so far beyond the pale of anything he's said up to this point. The man isn't fit to run a bake sale let alone the most powerful country in the history of earth, he's proven that every single day. But let's bust out the nukes cuz we got em?! If the man actually said that I don't even know where to begin honestly. On August 03 2016 21:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 03 2016 21:18 OuchyDathurts wrote:Please tell me this is a fucking joke. There's no way anyone on the planet is that stupid let alone one of the two candidates for president of the united states.... So who should i trust on nuclear weapon matter and worries : a retired four star general or your instinct? Difficult, difficult.. Who are you even talking to? You, but it might be I didn't get your point, just as don't get the one you are making on this post.
The point is IF Trump actually said "If we have the nukes why can't we use them?" 3 times (and at this point that's just hearsay by Joe what's his name) then Trump should be under involuntary psychiatric evaluation.
On August 03 2016 21:38 JinDesu wrote:
Guys guys, it's obvious Trump asked about the nukes to test the FP expert. The FP expert obviously failes to make the cut.
A classic Trump "gotcha" moment! What a scamp.
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On August 03 2016 20:28 farvacola wrote:
Midwestern state governments, by virtue of their ass backwards ideas on taxes, government programs, and incentivized industrial development schemes, deserve more blame for the plight of manufacturing in the Midwest than NAFTA does.
Probably true (I have no idea), but can it be helped on a federal level, or is it purely the states responsibility?
As it is, I can understand a feeling of betrayal from the disenfranchised voters (although I don't share their sentiments) when they lose the secure future that their parents and grandparents had.
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On August 03 2016 21:07 Gorsameth wrote:Lets be real the nukes themselves are not the problem. There is no way the military is going to let him use them, president or not.
I would prefer not to place that bet and have someone who fully understands why we can’t use them ever. That understands the goal is to NEVER use them.
On August 03 2016 21:58 Reivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 20:28 farvacola wrote:
Midwestern state governments, by virtue of their ass backwards ideas on taxes, government programs, and incentivized industrial development schemes, deserve more blame for the plight of manufacturing in the Midwest than NAFTA does. Probably true (I have no idea), but can it be helped on a federal level, or is it purely the states responsibility? As it is, I can understand a feeling of betrayal from the disenfranchised voters (although I don't share their sentiments) when they lose the secure future that their parents and grandparents had.
One of the root problems is that the Republicans in those states demonize government and champion “the freedom to govern themselves”. So they refuse federal assistance or programs to preserve that freedom, but the voters are the ones that suffer.
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On August 03 2016 21:32 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 21:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 03 2016 21:18 OuchyDathurts wrote:Please tell me this is a fucking joke. There's no way anyone on the planet is that stupid let alone one of the two candidates for president of the united states.... That's literally been our statement of incredulity ever since Trump started running for president. Why can't we use nukes, they're just sitting around collecting dust is so far beyond the pale of anything he's said up to this point. The man isn't fit to run a bake sale let alone the most powerful country in the history of earth, he's proven that every single day. But let's bust out the nukes cuz we got em?! If the man actually said that I don't even know where to begin honestly. Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 21:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 03 2016 21:18 OuchyDathurts wrote:Please tell me this is a fucking joke. There's no way anyone on the planet is that stupid let alone one of the two candidates for president of the united states.... So who should i trust on nuclear weapon matter and worries : a retired four star general or your instinct? Difficult, difficult.. Who are you even talking to?
I'm more interested in the idea that Trump might be a "retired four star general". Was he gifted that after his purple heart?
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On August 03 2016 21:43 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 21:36 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 03 2016 21:32 OuchyDathurts wrote:On August 03 2016 21:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 03 2016 21:18 OuchyDathurts wrote:Please tell me this is a fucking joke. There's no way anyone on the planet is that stupid let alone one of the two candidates for president of the united states.... That's literally been our statement of incredulity ever since Trump started running for president. Why can't we use nukes, they're just sitting around collecting dust is so far beyond the pale of anything he's said up to this point. The man isn't fit to run a bake sale let alone the most powerful country in the history of earth, he's proven that every single day. But let's bust out the nukes cuz we got em?! If the man actually said that I don't even know where to begin honestly. On August 03 2016 21:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 03 2016 21:18 OuchyDathurts wrote:Please tell me this is a fucking joke. There's no way anyone on the planet is that stupid let alone one of the two candidates for president of the united states.... So who should i trust on nuclear weapon matter and worries : a retired four star general or your instinct? Difficult, difficult.. Who are you even talking to? You, but it might be I didn't get your point, just as don't get the one you are making on this post. The point is IF Trump actually said "If we have the nukes why can't we use them?" 3 times (and at this point that's just hearsay by Joe what's his name) then Trump should be under involuntary psychiatric evaluation.
To be fair to Trump, he seems to be incapable of making a statement without repeating himself at least three times so number of repetitions shouldnt be a factor.
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On August 03 2016 21:58 Reivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 20:28 farvacola wrote:
Midwestern state governments, by virtue of their ass backwards ideas on taxes, government programs, and incentivized industrial development schemes, deserve more blame for the plight of manufacturing in the Midwest than NAFTA does. Probably true (I have no idea), but can it be helped on a federal level, or is it purely the states responsibility? As it is, I can understand a feeling of betrayal from the disenfranchised voters (although I don't share their sentiments) when they lose the secure future that their parents and grandparents had.
There's definitely culpability on the part of both the states and the Feds, all I'm saying is that a singular focus on NAFTA leaves the picture incomplete.
It's funny that you mention generational differences because older folks are significantly more likely to vote down tax increases, deregulate business, and otherwise shrink government anyway they can, particularly in Midwestern states hit hardest by NAFTA and the death of manufacturing in the US. In many ways, those disenfranchised voters have their parents and grandparents to blame in the first place 
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On August 03 2016 21:58 Reivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 20:28 farvacola wrote:
Midwestern state governments, by virtue of their ass backwards ideas on taxes, government programs, and incentivized industrial development schemes, deserve more blame for the plight of manufacturing in the Midwest than NAFTA does. Probably true (I have no idea), but can it be helped on a federal level, or is it purely the states responsibility? As it is, I can understand a feeling of betrayal from the disenfranchised voters (although I don't share their sentiments) when they lose the secure future that their parents and grandparents had.
I think at the federal level maybe they can help usher people the right way. The problem is in certain areas you're not going to get elected if you're anti whatever the local industry is, even if its a completely dead end rotting corpse of an industry. If coal is the state industry you're not going to get elected if you're seen as anti-coal even though coal has zero future. So the state rides the coal industry into the ground and then everyone is left with no money, no savings and no prospects. You can't really blame people for voting for the guy who is going to keep them employed in the short term, its natural. You would hope local politicians would have more foresight and say "This is great but it won't last forever, so we need to start switching the tracks gradually over to a different prospect for you guys" and the people wouldn't see it as an attack on their way of life so much as an inevitability of a changing world and go along with it. Maybe people at the federal level can be that voice of reason and try to coax people to new pastures. Be the advisor that tells them you need to diversify your bonds.
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On August 03 2016 22:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 21:32 OuchyDathurts wrote:On August 03 2016 21:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 03 2016 21:18 OuchyDathurts wrote:Please tell me this is a fucking joke. There's no way anyone on the planet is that stupid let alone one of the two candidates for president of the united states.... That's literally been our statement of incredulity ever since Trump started running for president. Why can't we use nukes, they're just sitting around collecting dust is so far beyond the pale of anything he's said up to this point. The man isn't fit to run a bake sale let alone the most powerful country in the history of earth, he's proven that every single day. But let's bust out the nukes cuz we got em?! If the man actually said that I don't even know where to begin honestly. On August 03 2016 21:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 03 2016 21:18 OuchyDathurts wrote:Please tell me this is a fucking joke. There's no way anyone on the planet is that stupid let alone one of the two candidates for president of the united states.... So who should i trust on nuclear weapon matter and worries : a retired four star general or your instinct? Difficult, difficult.. Who are you even talking to? I'm more interested in the idea that Trump might be a "retired four star general". Was he gifted that after his purple heart?
Dude, I was so confused.
On August 03 2016 22:07 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 21:43 OuchyDathurts wrote:On August 03 2016 21:36 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 03 2016 21:32 OuchyDathurts wrote:On August 03 2016 21:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 03 2016 21:18 OuchyDathurts wrote:Please tell me this is a fucking joke. There's no way anyone on the planet is that stupid let alone one of the two candidates for president of the united states.... That's literally been our statement of incredulity ever since Trump started running for president. Why can't we use nukes, they're just sitting around collecting dust is so far beyond the pale of anything he's said up to this point. The man isn't fit to run a bake sale let alone the most powerful country in the history of earth, he's proven that every single day. But let's bust out the nukes cuz we got em?! If the man actually said that I don't even know where to begin honestly. On August 03 2016 21:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 03 2016 21:18 OuchyDathurts wrote:Please tell me this is a fucking joke. There's no way anyone on the planet is that stupid let alone one of the two candidates for president of the united states.... So who should i trust on nuclear weapon matter and worries : a retired four star general or your instinct? Difficult, difficult.. Who are you even talking to? You, but it might be I didn't get your point, just as don't get the one you are making on this post. The point is IF Trump actually said "If we have the nukes why can't we use them?" 3 times (and at this point that's just hearsay by Joe what's his name) then Trump should be under involuntary psychiatric evaluation. To be fair to Trump, he seems to be incapable of making a statement without repeating himself at least three times so number of repetitions shouldnt be a factor.
Fair point. He knows the key to a catchy pop song is repetition.
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On August 03 2016 21:43 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 21:36 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 03 2016 21:32 OuchyDathurts wrote:On August 03 2016 21:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 03 2016 21:18 OuchyDathurts wrote:Please tell me this is a fucking joke. There's no way anyone on the planet is that stupid let alone one of the two candidates for president of the united states.... That's literally been our statement of incredulity ever since Trump started running for president. Why can't we use nukes, they're just sitting around collecting dust is so far beyond the pale of anything he's said up to this point. The man isn't fit to run a bake sale let alone the most powerful country in the history of earth, he's proven that every single day. But let's bust out the nukes cuz we got em?! If the man actually said that I don't even know where to begin honestly. On August 03 2016 21:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 03 2016 21:18 OuchyDathurts wrote:Please tell me this is a fucking joke. There's no way anyone on the planet is that stupid let alone one of the two candidates for president of the united states.... So who should i trust on nuclear weapon matter and worries : a retired four star general or your instinct? Difficult, difficult.. Who are you even talking to? You, but it might be I didn't get your point, just as don't get the one you are making on this post. The point is IF Trump actually said "If we have the nukes why can't we use them?" 3 times (and at this point that's just hearsay by Joe what's his name) then Trump should be under involuntary psychiatric evaluation
Ye that was my point earlier. I don't think the guy has a very firm grip on reality..
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On August 03 2016 22:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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I'm more interested in the idea that Trump might be a "retired four star general". Was he gifted that after his purple heart?
I thought Ouchy was talking about Hayden (who is a retired 4 star general) and not Trump. Misunderstood his post. Language barrier.
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On August 03 2016 22:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2016 22:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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I'm more interested in the idea that Trump might be a "retired four star general". Was he gifted that after his purple heart? I thought Ouchy was talking about Hayden (who is a retired 4 star general) and not Trump. Misunderstood his post. Language barrier.
Ah gotcha 
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