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On July 26 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:You should read Nate’s coverage of that and what he expects to happen. This is very standard for an election season. Also there are a few articles about polling around the the conventions and that they are wildly inaccurate. I think three weeks from now we will have a better idea of how this played out.
I did I'm aware of his other numbers
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Lets just say Sanders is finally showing his true colors. I know people in Vermont that weren't that fond of him.
After all, he is an established politician.
He is basically what Trump was except on the other side, a lot of promises that could never be fulfilled.
Not surprised that he isn't taking the Cruz route and showing some backbone and instead just being a bozo.
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Sanders literally stated a year ago that he's not going to blow the Democratic party apart and will endorse the democratic candidate should he lose, what 'true colors' lol
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On July 26 2016 04:24 Nyxisto wrote:
Sanders literally stated a year ago that he's not going to blow the Democratic party apart and will endorse the democratic candidate should he lose, what 'true colors' lol
Cruz made the same promise.
Funny how many people were admiring him for 'standing up for what he believes in' while at the same time defending Sanders for 'standing up for the party and doing the right thing'
Logic
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I don't think a Cruz comparison makes much sense; there was literally nothing Cruz could have done to alter or influence the course of events by the time the convention rolled around, whereas Sanders has a fairly significant role to play in the shape of the party during and after the convention.
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Eh, maybe I'm misinterpreting things, but I don't think that Bernie was booed so much as his request that his supporters support Hillary was booed. Bernie is in an impossible position and should be cut a little slack.
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On July 26 2016 04:24 Nyxisto wrote:
Sanders literally stated a year ago that he's not going to blow the Democratic party apart and will endorse the democratic candidate should he lose, what 'true colors' lol
that's political talk m8
It shows he is tone deaf to his supporters and despite our ever changing world, he is not reacting to what is happening.
He's simply following the same script.
He should have denounced Trump and Clinton and left it at that, it's a bad move.
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On July 26 2016 04:26 xDaunt wrote:
Eh, maybe I'm misinterpreting things, but I don't think that Bernie was booed so much as his request that his supporters support Hillary was booed. Bernie is in an impossible position and should be cut a little slack.
That's what I said. His supporters are chanting 'we want Bernie' and boo when he says to get behind Clinton with him.
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he's a progressive so he's obviously going to endorse the most liberal candidate left in the race. I honestly thought this 'berniebro' thing months back was unfair but it honestly seems like a large crowd of his supporters have no political convictions at all and just wants to fuck shit up as much as Trump's followers. If you care even a little bit about liberal principles you are going to do anything that keeps Trump out of office.
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On July 26 2016 04:27 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 04:24 Nyxisto wrote:
Sanders literally stated a year ago that he's not going to blow the Democratic party apart and will endorse the democratic candidate should he lose, what 'true colors' lol that's political talk m8 It shows he is tone deaf to his supporters and despite our ever changing world, he is not reacting to what is happening. He's simply following the same script. He should have denounced Trump and Clinton and left it at that, it's a bad move.
isn't it more backbone to say what he believes is right, rather than to say whatever some of his supporters favor to get elected?
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On July 26 2016 04:31 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 04:27 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 26 2016 04:24 Nyxisto wrote:
Sanders literally stated a year ago that he's not going to blow the Democratic party apart and will endorse the democratic candidate should he lose, what 'true colors' lol that's political talk m8 It shows he is tone deaf to his supporters and despite our ever changing world, he is not reacting to what is happening. He's simply following the same script. He should have denounced Trump and Clinton and left it at that, it's a bad move. isn't it more backbone to say what he believes is right, rather than to say whatever some of his supporters favor to get elected?
No, after he got fucked by the party he should not be supporting them in the slightest but he's definitely taking behind the scene deals.
That's where the tone deaf disconnect comes in
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On July 26 2016 04:31 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 04:27 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 26 2016 04:24 Nyxisto wrote:
Sanders literally stated a year ago that he's not going to blow the Democratic party apart and will endorse the democratic candidate should he lose, what 'true colors' lol that's political talk m8 It shows he is tone deaf to his supporters and despite our ever changing world, he is not reacting to what is happening. He's simply following the same script. He should have denounced Trump and Clinton and left it at that, it's a bad move. isn't it more backbone to say what he believes is right, rather than to say whatever some of his supporters favor to get elected?
You mean like how a few months ago he was saying he believed "Clinton cannot be president"?
The Green Party offered to make him their candidate and he refused.
And there is always Gary Johnson.
I don't think it has anything to do with what he believes is right. He's just playing politics like everyone else.
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As soon as Clinton promises free college or some freebie garbage, most of the Bernie people will come around.
She just has to bide her time. She already floated 3 months of loan relief or whatever it was.
If she thinks she's going to lose she'll just do that.
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On July 26 2016 04:27 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 04:24 Nyxisto wrote:
Sanders literally stated a year ago that he's not going to blow the Democratic party apart and will endorse the democratic candidate should he lose, what 'true colors' lol that's political talk m8 It shows he is tone deaf to his supporters and despite our ever changing world, he is not reacting to what is happening. He's simply following the same script. He should have denounced Trump and Clinton and left it at that, it's a bad move.
Not really, no. It shows that there are a section of his supporters that are unwilling to compromise or influence government in any way beyond winning the nomination. This is a myopic and short sighted way to view politics, as no one wins all the time and no one can govern alone. He would need the DNC to get elected and a large part of it wouldn’t play ball. And I doubt there is anything he can say to convince them that he needs their support. Because they refuse to accept a world where he works with Clinton.
On July 26 2016 04:33 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 04:31 zlefin wrote:On July 26 2016 04:27 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 26 2016 04:24 Nyxisto wrote:
Sanders literally stated a year ago that he's not going to blow the Democratic party apart and will endorse the democratic candidate should he lose, what 'true colors' lol that's political talk m8 It shows he is tone deaf to his supporters and despite our ever changing world, he is not reacting to what is happening. He's simply following the same script. He should have denounced Trump and Clinton and left it at that, it's a bad move. isn't it more backbone to say what he believes is right, rather than to say whatever some of his supporters favor to get elected? No, after he got fucked by the party he should not be supporting them in the slightest but he's definitely taking behind the scene deals. That's where the tone deaf disconnect comes in
Don’t let the narrative confusion you. He lost the primary by almost four million votes. Even if 50% of those people would have shifted their vote if the DNC had been neutral, he still would have lost by almost 2 million. And 50% is a huge give. It is doubtful the DNC changed that many minds.
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On July 26 2016 04:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 04:24 Nyxisto wrote:
Sanders literally stated a year ago that he's not going to blow the Democratic party apart and will endorse the democratic candidate should he lose, what 'true colors' lol Cruz made the same promise. Funny how many people were admiring him for 'standing up for what he believes in' while at the same time defending Sanders for 'standing up for the party and doing the right thing' Logic
The pledge became null and void for a variety of reasons, not least of all that Trump himself went back on in March, I think it was.
Sanders is being smart because Hillary is undoubtedly a progressive.
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On July 26 2016 04:35 Introvert wrote:
As soon as Clinton promises free college or some freebie garbage, most of the Bernie people will come around.
She just has to bide her time. She already floated 3 months of loan relief or whatever it was.
If she thinks she's going to lose she'll just do that.
No, I'm fairly certain most of them already think she's a crooked politician so her promising free shit isn't going to change anything. Bernie people who vote for her will do so on the basis that they prefer her to Trump.
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On July 26 2016 04:36 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 04:27 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 26 2016 04:24 Nyxisto wrote:
Sanders literally stated a year ago that he's not going to blow the Democratic party apart and will endorse the democratic candidate should he lose, what 'true colors' lol that's political talk m8 It shows he is tone deaf to his supporters and despite our ever changing world, he is not reacting to what is happening. He's simply following the same script. He should have denounced Trump and Clinton and left it at that, it's a bad move. Not really, no. It shows that there are a section of his supporters that are unwilling to compromise or influence government in any way beyond winning the nomination. This is a myopic and short sighted way to view politics, as no one wins all the time and no one can govern alone. He would need the DNC to get elected and a large part of it wouldn’t play ball. And I doubt there is anything he can say to convince them that he needs their support. Because they refuse to accept a world where he works with Clinton.
Alright lets say for a second that you work in a company.
You and another guy are working to become partner, which is a huge raise. You are way better educated and better skill-wise in your field. The other guy is simply more well connected at the office.
He goes on to become partner, you aren't sure where you went wrong. A month passes by and later you discover that the executives were colluding to get the other guy in because his dad golfs with the CEO, and keep you out at all costs.
Do you stay with that company or do you quit and find another job?
edit - to your edit, im not really concerned at all with whether sanders would have won or not, its irrelevant. The fact that he thinks the people that like him are going to rally behind clinton is hilarious though.
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On July 26 2016 04:40 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 04:36 Plansix wrote:On July 26 2016 04:27 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 26 2016 04:24 Nyxisto wrote:
Sanders literally stated a year ago that he's not going to blow the Democratic party apart and will endorse the democratic candidate should he lose, what 'true colors' lol that's political talk m8 It shows he is tone deaf to his supporters and despite our ever changing world, he is not reacting to what is happening. He's simply following the same script. He should have denounced Trump and Clinton and left it at that, it's a bad move. Not really, no. It shows that there are a section of his supporters that are unwilling to compromise or influence government in any way beyond winning the nomination. This is a myopic and short sighted way to view politics, as no one wins all the time and no one can govern alone. He would need the DNC to get elected and a large part of it wouldn’t play ball. And I doubt there is anything he can say to convince them that he needs their support. Because they refuse to accept a world where he works with Clinton. Alright lets say for a second that you work in a company. You and another guy are working to become partner, which is a huge raise. You are way better educated and better skill-wise in your field. The other guy is simply more well connected at the office. He goes on to become partner, you aren't sure where you went wrong. A month passes by and later you discover that the executives were colluding to get the other guy in because his dad golfs with the CEO, and keep you out at all costs. Do you stay with that company or do you quit and find another job?
That isn’t how politics works. You don’t “win” promotions. There isn’t a public voting process. He literally lost by 3.7 million votes. If the DNC could change that many minds and votes at their whim, they couldn’t have lost the House and Senate in 2010.
Edit: If they don’t rally behind him, they are the most fair weather of supporters. At some point protest stops being about the changing things and becomes self aggrandizing.
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On July 26 2016 04:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
Lets just say Sanders is finally showing his true colors. I know people in Vermont that weren't that fond of him.
After all, he is an established politician.
He is basically what Trump was except on the other side, a lot of promises that could never be fulfilled.
Not surprised that he isn't taking the Cruz route and showing some backbone and instead just being a bozo.
He has nothing in common with Trump except that people who never voted before love them both.
Also he and Hillary probably the same on issues 90% time, while Trump and Cruz prob 30% time.
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On July 26 2016 04:40 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 04:36 Plansix wrote:On July 26 2016 04:27 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 26 2016 04:24 Nyxisto wrote:
Sanders literally stated a year ago that he's not going to blow the Democratic party apart and will endorse the democratic candidate should he lose, what 'true colors' lol that's political talk m8 It shows he is tone deaf to his supporters and despite our ever changing world, he is not reacting to what is happening. He's simply following the same script. He should have denounced Trump and Clinton and left it at that, it's a bad move. Not really, no. It shows that there are a section of his supporters that are unwilling to compromise or influence government in any way beyond winning the nomination. This is a myopic and short sighted way to view politics, as no one wins all the time and no one can govern alone. He would need the DNC to get elected and a large part of it wouldn’t play ball. And I doubt there is anything he can say to convince them that he needs their support. Because they refuse to accept a world where he works with Clinton. Alright lets say for a second that you work in a company. You and another guy are working to become partner, which is a huge raise. You are way better educated and better skill-wise in your field. The other guy is simply more well connected at the office. He goes on to become partner, you aren't sure where you went wrong. A month passes by and later you discover that the executives were colluding to get the other guy in because his dad golfs with the CEO, and keep you out at all costs. Do you stay with that company or do you quit and find another job? edit - to your edit, im not really concerned at all with whether sanders would have won or not, its irrelevant. The fact that he thinks the people that like him are going to rally behind clinton is hilarious though.
Obviously, only your current company has those types of problems and no other company out there has those exact same issues.
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