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On July 13 2016 03:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I don't think that is Trump's core demographic at all.
I'd love to see you back up that generalization with any sort of evidence but that would be asking to you be fair to the opposition.
It's interesting to me because it's not impossible that between now and November, the campaign could conceivably convince me that HRC (or someone else) was the best candidate, but then there are these people who have just totally drunk the Kool-Aid when it comes to being anti-Trump.
On July 13 2016 03:40 kapibara-san wrote: oh man that link led me down a rabbit hole of trump tweets
jesus christ
Remember local mom who didn't finish high school but knows what's best for her kids better than any fancy pants doctor with their actual medical training, Trump has your back.
This is the shit I'm talking about. He's reaching out to people who hate the way the world dismisses them and their opinions and telling them that it doesn't matter what the so called experts say, he believes in them. It's populism. Whether or not it's good policy (it's fucking not, vaccines are like the single biggest public health victory (maybe joint victory with sewers) of our time) doesn't make any difference to him, there is a wave of resentment built on the perception of marginalization within America and he's hoping to ride it to the top. People don't like the fact that a complete ignorance of the subject is used to disqualify their opinion and Trump promises to say what they want to hear. He's an empowerment fantasy for idiots everywhere.
nice blanket dismissal of trump supporters. if this is truly what you assume, then nothing i say will change your opinions. at least this is good to know
Remember local mom who didn't finish high school but knows what's best for her kids better than any fancy pants doctor with their actual medical training, Trump has your back.
This is the shit I'm talking about. He's reaching out to people who hate the way the world dismisses them and their opinions and telling them that it doesn't matter what the so called experts say, he believes in them. It's populism. Whether or not it's good policy (it's fucking not, vaccines are like the single biggest public health victory (maybe joint victory with sewers) of our time) doesn't make any difference to him, there is a wave of resentment built on the perception of marginalization within America and he's hoping to ride it to the top. People don't like the fact that a complete ignorance of the subject is used to disqualify their opinion and Trump promises to say what they want to hear. He's an empowerment fantasy for idiots everywhere.
nice blanket dismissal rejection of trump supporters.
I'm sorry, did I intrude in your safe space with my words? If Trump supporters want people to stop judging them for their support of Trump maybe they should stop supporting Trump. There are no shortage of people on the right who have made a coherent argument against Trump and his style of populism. Just because he's going to be the candidate doesn't mean you have to accept his obvious flaws as a candidate, hold your nose and stand among his mob of supporters.
And a few dozen non-answers later, the hearing is concluded. Fantastic.
Trump is a mixed bag. He says a lot of stupid and cringeworthy stuff, but also a few very solid (though often controversial) points that are worth listening to. His FP commentary, on Iraq, Saddam, Syria, US alliances, etc., have generally been quite spot-on and I do look forward to the third debate (the FP debate) in the general election. He does indeed say a lot of stupid stuff and a lot of people over-exaggerate the severity of those and pretend he is a Hitler of some sort (he isn't). Ultimately he is flawed, but not as flawed as his most vocal detractors say he is, his opponent is pretty weak, and it's basically a matter of choosing your poison.
Remember local mom who didn't finish high school but knows what's best for her kids better than any fancy pants doctor with their actual medical training, Trump has your back.
This is the shit I'm talking about. He's reaching out to people who hate the way the world dismisses them and their opinions and telling them that it doesn't matter what the so called experts say, he believes in them. It's populism. Whether or not it's good policy (it's fucking not, vaccines are like the single biggest public health victory (maybe joint victory with sewers) of our time) doesn't make any difference to him, there is a wave of resentment built on the perception of marginalization within America and he's hoping to ride it to the top. People don't like the fact that a complete ignorance of the subject is used to disqualify their opinion and Trump promises to say what they want to hear. He's an empowerment fantasy for idiots everywhere.
nice blanket dismissal rejection of trump supporters.
I'm sorry, did I intrude in your safe space with my words?
nope, i have no safe space. i however am interested that you're positioning yourself as this person who can dismiss a wide swath of trump supporters because they dont toe the progressive, liberal ideologies. this is similar to the remain voters who dismissed the leave voters as uneducated old people who didnt know whats best for them.
KwarK's language doesn't actually address all Trump supporters, and if you think that his description is not accurate relative to an appreciable number of said supporters, then perhaps there's more kool-aid drinking going on than y'all are realizing.
On July 13 2016 03:50 amazingxkcd wrote: nice blanket dismissal of trump supporters. if this is truly what you assume, then nothing i say will change your opinions. at least this is good to know
The fact that not all Trump supporters are like that doesn't change the fact that tweets like those linked are pandering to that crowd.
just for this kind of times, there should be a way by which people would demand for a specific someone to become the president and he'd be bound to do it else go to prison. a ha.
On July 13 2016 03:54 farvacola wrote: KwarK's language doesn't actually address all Trump supporters, and if you think that his description is not accurate relative to an appreciable number of said supporters, then perhaps there's more kool-aid drinking going on than y'all are realizing.
Doesn't the change the fact that it is about as productive as me pointing out that Hillary's base of support is stacked full of welfare queens.
On July 13 2016 03:53 LegalLord wrote: And a few dozen non-answers later, the hearing is concluded. Fantastic.
Trump is a mixed bag. He says a lot of stupid and cringeworthy stuff, but also a few very solid (though often controversial) points that are worth listening to. His FP commentary, on Iraq, Saddam, Syria, US alliances, etc., have generally been quite spot-on and I do look forward to the third debate (the FP debate) in the general election. He does indeed say a lot of stupid stuff and a lot of people over-exaggerate the severity of those and pretend he is a Hitler of some sort (he isn't). Ultimately he is flawed, but not as flawed as his most vocal detractors say he is, his opponent is pretty weak, and it's basically a matter of choosing your poison.
And his FP commentary on China being the engine behind the spread of climate change awareness is what?
On July 13 2016 03:50 amazingxkcd wrote: nice blanket dismissal of trump supporters. if this is truly what you assume, then nothing i say will change your opinions. at least this is good to know
The fact that not all Trump supporters are like that doesn't change the fact that tweets like those linked are pandering to that crowd.
im fine with him pandering to those crowds. some pandering has to be done to garner support. Not unlike bernie pandering to college liberals or hillary to her voting base. but to make a remark that "oh a large part of his voting base are dumb insecure people" is just fucking unbelievable.
On July 13 2016 03:54 farvacola wrote: KwarK's language doesn't actually address all Trump supporters, and if you think that his description is not accurate relative to an appreciable number of said supporters, then perhaps there's more kool-aid drinking going on than y'all are realizing.
Doesn't the change the fact that it is about as productive as me pointing out that Hillary's base of support is stacked full of welfare queens.
And if Hillary came out against jobs and promised to give all Americans baby daddies I'd criticize that policy. That's about how fucked up it'd need to be for an equivalence with an anti science anti vaccine policy.
On July 13 2016 03:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I don't think that is Trump's core demographic at all.
I'd love to see you back up that generalization with any sort of evidence but that would be asking to you be fair to the opposition.
It's interesting to me because it's not impossible that between now and November, the campaign could conceivably convince me that HRC (or someone else) was the best candidate, but then there are these people who have just totally drunk the Kool-Aid when it comes to being anti-Trump.
It's funny how I make a generalization about BLM that, while maybe initially it had good intentions, it has devolved into a hateful and violent movement I cite numerous examples from various protests to support this and get flack for being idiotic, wrong, in denial of my racism etc. Get told I am being unfair and that the majority of them are peaceful and normal and how I'm 'picking and choosing' sources (which happen to be from massive protests) while ignoring that the majority of them are peaceful (and not sourcing this at all). Get told I'm intentionally cherrypicking the dumbest of them in my generalizations to try to make myself seem smarter.
Then the same posters here make blanket generalizations about how the vast majority of Trump supporters are incompetent and insecure without any sources what-so-ever and it's fine and okay and they don't see any hypocrisy in this behavior of accusing the opposition of being unfair to their side while at the same time being unfair to the opposition.
On July 13 2016 03:53 LegalLord wrote: And a few dozen non-answers later, the hearing is concluded. Fantastic.
Trump is a mixed bag. He says a lot of stupid and cringeworthy stuff, but also a few very solid (though often controversial) points that are worth listening to. His FP commentary, on Iraq, Saddam, Syria, US alliances, etc., have generally been quite spot-on and I do look forward to the third debate (the FP debate) in the general election. He does indeed say a lot of stupid stuff and a lot of people over-exaggerate the severity of those and pretend he is a Hitler of some sort (he isn't). Ultimately he is flawed, but not as flawed as his most vocal detractors say he is, his opponent is pretty weak, and it's basically a matter of choosing your poison.
On July 13 2016 03:54 farvacola wrote: KwarK's language doesn't actually address all Trump supporters, and if you think that his description is not accurate relative to an appreciable number of said supporters, then perhaps there's more kool-aid drinking going on than y'all are realizing.
Doesn't the change the fact that it is about as productive as me pointing out that Hillary's base of support is stacked full of welfare queens.
On July 13 2016 03:50 amazingxkcd wrote: nice blanket dismissal of trump supporters. if this is truly what you assume, then nothing i say will change your opinions. at least this is good to know
The fact that not all Trump supporters are like that doesn't change the fact that tweets like those linked are pandering to that crowd.
... Before he was running for president?
Maybe I should pull out the Clinton thinks marriage is between a man and a women videos?
On July 13 2016 03:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I don't think that is Trump's core demographic at all.
I'd love to see you back up that generalization with any sort of evidence but that would be asking to you be fair to the opposition.
It's interesting to me because it's not impossible that between now and November, the campaign could conceivably convince me that HRC (or someone else) was the best candidate, but then there are these people who have just totally drunk the Kool-Aid when it comes to being anti-Trump.
My opposition is less to Trump than to the overall Republican party in general which is beyond horrible, which I don't really want to allow to have a president in power. Hillary supports a lot of their less defensible positions. There is plenty of opportunity for Hillary to try to show people that she will do better in the future and that she can commit to a more positive agenda overall. Instead, she is basically pushing herself to be a single issue "not Trump" candidate. Not too surprising but very unfortunate.
On July 13 2016 03:54 farvacola wrote: KwarK's language doesn't actually address all Trump supporters, and if you think that his description is not accurate relative to an appreciable number of said supporters, then perhaps there's more kool-aid drinking going on than y'all are realizing.
Doesn't the change the fact that it is about as productive as me pointing out that Hillary's base of support is stacked full of welfare queens.
As if that stops conservatives from saying that! Talk radio has been playing the unproductively inaccurate partisanry card for decades now.
On July 13 2016 03:50 amazingxkcd wrote: nice blanket dismissal of trump supporters. if this is truly what you assume, then nothing i say will change your opinions. at least this is good to know
The fact that not all Trump supporters are like that doesn't change the fact that tweets like those linked are pandering to that crowd.
im fine with him pandering to those crowds. some pandering has to be done to garner support. Not unlike bernie pandering to college liberals or hillary to her voting base. but to make a remark that "oh a large part of his voting base are dumb insecure people" is just fucking unbelievable.
So you are happy that he panders to the uneducated who would endanger their child’s welfare and panders to their dangers beliefs, but get upset when someone points out that isn’t very responsible?
On July 13 2016 03:50 amazingxkcd wrote: nice blanket dismissal of trump supporters. if this is truly what you assume, then nothing i say will change your opinions. at least this is good to know
The fact that not all Trump supporters are like that doesn't change the fact that tweets like those linked are pandering to that crowd.
im fine with him pandering to those crowds. some pandering has to be done to garner support. Not unlike bernie pandering to college liberals or hillary to her voting base. but to make a remark that "oh a large part of his voting base are dumb insecure people" is just fucking unbelievable.
A large part of every voting base is dumb and insecure. Be more specific
On July 13 2016 03:53 LegalLord wrote: And a few dozen non-answers later, the hearing is concluded. Fantastic.
Trump is a mixed bag. He says a lot of stupid and cringeworthy stuff, but also a few very solid (though often controversial) points that are worth listening to. His FP commentary, on Iraq, Saddam, Syria, US alliances, etc., have generally been quite spot-on and I do look forward to the third debate (the FP debate) in the general election. He does indeed say a lot of stupid stuff and a lot of people over-exaggerate the severity of those and pretend he is a Hitler of some sort (he isn't). Ultimately he is flawed, but not as flawed as his most vocal detractors say he is, his opponent is pretty weak, and it's basically a matter of choosing your poison.
And his FP commentary on China being the engine behind the spread of climate change awareness is what?
Pandering to a shitty base, mostly. Also it's from 2012.
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