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United Kingdom13775 Posts
On July 13 2016 03:13 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 03:08 KwarK wrote:On July 13 2016 03:00 amazingxkcd wrote:On July 13 2016 02:56 KwarK wrote:On July 13 2016 02:52 kapibara-san wrote:
its whatevz on the scale of things
tbh clinton could choke out a dude and id still want her in office over trump Pretty much. If it emerged that Clinton was literally for sale and that foreign governments could simply buy US government policy from her if she won I'd still trust those foreign governments over Trump. And I'm center right by any standard that doesn't force me to be really obsessively interested in abortions to qualify. I vote for the Conservatives in the UK. Trump is a trainwreck of populism and a fetishistic need to quench feelings of inadequacy created by the erosion of the privilege of the white Christian male in American society. so let me get this straight. you trust foreign governments who would do everything they can to abuse said information than a man who wants to put america first? Wew lad Most foreign governments have a vested interest in the continuation of the postwar stability created by the American superpower. They're generally rational actors who understand that America isn't going anywhere and that the America dominated world has been an unprecedented period of global peace and prosperity. Trump's ideas for America seem far, far more likely to undermine that than foreign governments. Trump's brand of insecure and antagonistic populism which demands that the rest of the world be constantly cowed to try and help provincial Americans overcome their own failings is far more likely to destroy the position of America in the world than foreign governments. Take Trump on Iran for example. The United States and Iran have no fundamental conflict, Iran is certainly a far more reasonable partner in the region than Saudi Arabia, our current partner and the root of the global Wahhabism, as well as being a natural counterbalance to SA in the region. Bush rejected and snubbed Iran in 2001 in favour of building an Iraq which could act as the American proxy, a policy which doesn't need any further criticism. Obama has done a lot of work to undo 30 years of failed policy in the Middle East and Trump is constantly trying to undermine that with the kind of rhetoric we're used to hearing from North Korea. Hell, shortly after the Iran deal a few US sailors accidentally went into Iranian territorial waters, were picked up, interviewed and returned. Trump was shouting about how the US should be threatening the death and destruction of Iran if they didn't get home safely while Kerry was able to get them back with just a phone call. Trump is a madman who gives the right a bad name. so you're concerned about keeping the status quo? fair enough if you're fine with that.
Basically the majority of Clinton supporters (as opposed to, potentially, reluctant Clinton voters) are just status quo voters. She won't do a whole lot of good, but FP is the only policy that she could potentially be a colossal fuckup on. Personally I think of her as "status quo minus" but I guess she was blessed with a terrible candidate pool from both the Republican and Democratic side and we just have to respect that.
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United States42591 Posts
On July 13 2016 03:15 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 03:10 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2016 03:05 farvacola wrote:On July 13 2016 03:04 xDaunt wrote:
If Trump wins, we need to rename GGTemplar to "Divine Wind." Sounds like you want to make a bet....for old times sake, ehh? I've thought about it. There'd have to be something like at least 5-1 odds (ie five other posters would be adversely affected) on the other end of my bet. The reality is that I'm too valuable and important. A fitting refusal  And to KwarK's point, I'm not sure he's even really supporting "the status quo" so much as he's supporting "not-Trump." The two are related but different I think.
Pretty much just "not-Trump". The United States needs a mature and rational hand on the tiller, Trump, and his core demographic, are extremely insecure in their own masculinity and national pride and seem to need to constantly exert themselves in futile and self destructive efforts in order to stave off the slow realization that being white and male no longer makes you special and privileged. The last 50 years have not been kind to their ego and those insecurities are being projected onto America as a whole, despite the fundamental strength of the nation. What made America good wasn't the ability to fuck shit up, it was the restraint and the maturity to know when to fuck shit up and when not to. The Trump base fail to understand that, all they see is that America doesn't fuck shit up and that black people no longer call them Sir and they conflate the two into a general feeling of loss of status and respect. They can't recover their status, although the opposition to PC culture (where casual sexism and racism are called out for what they are) certainly shows that they'd like to, but they hope that their nation can act with the recklessness and arrogance that they wish they had in their private lives.
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Be Attorney General. Not be privy to the details of her own investigation.
sigh
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United States42591 Posts
On July 13 2016 03:26 zeo wrote:
Be Attorney General. Not be privy to the details of her own investigation.
sigh
Didn't your side want her to recuse herself?
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I don't think that is Trump's core demographic at all.
I'd love to see you back up that generalization with any sort of evidence but that would be asking to you be fair to the opposition.
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On July 13 2016 03:24 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 03:15 farvacola wrote:On July 13 2016 03:10 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2016 03:05 farvacola wrote:On July 13 2016 03:04 xDaunt wrote:
If Trump wins, we need to rename GGTemplar to "Divine Wind." Sounds like you want to make a bet....for old times sake, ehh? I've thought about it. There'd have to be something like at least 5-1 odds (ie five other posters would be adversely affected) on the other end of my bet. The reality is that I'm too valuable and important. A fitting refusal And to KwarK's point, I'm not sure he's even really supporting "the status quo" so much as he's supporting "not-Trump." The two are related but different I think. Pretty much just "not-Trump". The United States needs a mature and rational hand on the tiller, Trump, and his core demographic, are extremely insecure in their own masculinity and national pride and seem to need to constantly exert themselves in futile and self destructive efforts in order to stave off the slow realization that being white and male no longer makes you special and privileged. The last 50 years have not been kind to their ego and those insecurities are being projected onto America as a whole, despite the fundamental strength of the nation. What made America good wasn't the ability to fuck shit up, it was the restraint and the maturity to know when to fuck shit up and when not to. The Trump base fail to understand that, all they see is that America doesn't fuck shit up and that black people no longer call them Sir and they conflate the two into a general feeling of loss of status and respect.
im quite confident its not about white males being special and privilege but rather the false notion that they inherently have this "privilege" that they're fighting against. I as a white male could care less about this privilege i may or may not have but if you honestly believe white males have privileges, then we're just going to go off the charts debating this fallacy.
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
On July 13 2016 03:26 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 03:26 zeo wrote:
Be Attorney General. Not be privy to the details of her own investigation.
sigh Didn't your side want her to recuse herself?
Did she do so?
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On July 13 2016 03:26 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 03:26 zeo wrote:
Be Attorney General. Not be privy to the details of her own investigation.
sigh Didn't your side want her to recuse herself?
What side is my side? All I want are answers about corruption.
edit: If you are doing 65 in a 40 zone are you breaking the law?
Lynch: Well it depends on the circumstance on a case by case basis.... you'd have to ask the highway patrol....
Mother. Of. God.
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
I WILL NOT GO 65 IN A 55 ZONE AND I HAVEN'T BROKEN ANY LAW AS I WILL ONLY GET CITED BY THE HIGHWAY POLICE. IM SURE THE OFFICER PULLING ME OVER WILL UNDERSTAND THAT
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United States42591 Posts
On July 13 2016 03:27 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 03:24 KwarK wrote:On July 13 2016 03:15 farvacola wrote:On July 13 2016 03:10 xDaunt wrote:On July 13 2016 03:05 farvacola wrote:On July 13 2016 03:04 xDaunt wrote:
If Trump wins, we need to rename GGTemplar to "Divine Wind." Sounds like you want to make a bet....for old times sake, ehh? I've thought about it. There'd have to be something like at least 5-1 odds (ie five other posters would be adversely affected) on the other end of my bet. The reality is that I'm too valuable and important. A fitting refusal And to KwarK's point, I'm not sure he's even really supporting "the status quo" so much as he's supporting "not-Trump." The two are related but different I think. Pretty much just "not-Trump". The United States needs a mature and rational hand on the tiller, Trump, and his core demographic, are extremely insecure in their own masculinity and national pride and seem to need to constantly exert themselves in futile and self destructive efforts in order to stave off the slow realization that being white and male no longer makes you special and privileged. The last 50 years have not been kind to their ego and those insecurities are being projected onto America as a whole, despite the fundamental strength of the nation. What made America good wasn't the ability to fuck shit up, it was the restraint and the maturity to know when to fuck shit up and when not to. The Trump base fail to understand that, all they see is that America doesn't fuck shit up and that black people no longer call them Sir and they conflate the two into a general feeling of loss of status and respect. im quite confident its not about white males being special and privilege but rather the false notion that they inherently have this "privilege" that they're fighting against. I as a white male could care less about this privilege i may or may not have but if you honestly believe white males have privileges, then we're just going to go off the charts debating this fallacy.
We've had this discussion a dozen times before but my definition of privilege is so nebulous and vague that you'd probably go "oh, that's what you mean? Well yeah, obviously that exists". I mean it basically comes down to different people have different experiences of the world due to factors outside of their control. White males had advantages in the 50s which, due to a lot of this being a zero sum game, have been lost to previously marginalized groups.
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Climate change is a conspiracy cooked up by the regressive left, haven't you heard?
And lol at all the incredulity, some of y'all would definitely have a hard time with law school hypos.
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On July 13 2016 01:51 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 01:48 IgnE wrote:On July 13 2016 01:44 Plansix wrote:On July 13 2016 01:40 amazingxkcd wrote:
Im curious, why would there be statues for legality of letting people see classified information without clearance? That shouldnt be a hard question to answer. Because it depends on the facts. Was it an accident? How did they gain access? Did the person who provided access believe the person had clearance? And so on. If you ask most good attorneys questions like "If this happens, is it illegal?", they will respond requesting more information. Because almost all cases are fact driven, rather than a math equation. are math equations not fact driven? Law is not math. You don't throw a bunch of "facts" into an statute and get a verdict out the other side. Judges and juries decide rulings, not some order of operations. And if you get deep into math, it gets pretty subjective.
Law is not math. But you see how what you said to me is not what you originally said right?
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United States42591 Posts
On July 13 2016 03:36 farvacola wrote:Climate change is a conspiracy cooked up the regressive left, haven't you heard?
I heard it was invented by China because they're afraid that Trump will make America great again and that's why we need a wall. And that's almost a word for word quote of what Trump actually said.
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On July 13 2016 03:36 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2016 01:51 Plansix wrote:On July 13 2016 01:48 IgnE wrote:On July 13 2016 01:44 Plansix wrote:On July 13 2016 01:40 amazingxkcd wrote:
Im curious, why would there be statues for legality of letting people see classified information without clearance? That shouldnt be a hard question to answer. Because it depends on the facts. Was it an accident? How did they gain access? Did the person who provided access believe the person had clearance? And so on. If you ask most good attorneys questions like "If this happens, is it illegal?", they will respond requesting more information. Because almost all cases are fact driven, rather than a math equation. are math equations not fact driven? Law is not math. You don't throw a bunch of "facts" into an statute and get a verdict out the other side. Judges and juries decide rulings, not some order of operations. And if you get deep into math, it gets pretty subjective. Law is not math. But you see how what you said to me is not what you originally said right?
Facts in math =/= Facts in law. The same word means different things in different contexts.
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oh man that link led me down a rabbit hole of trump tweets
jesus christ
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Lynch not ruling out that she would work in a possible Hillary administration. Unbelievable.
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alright i gotta admit this one was kinda dank
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If we're doing ban bets.
I'll make a year-long ban bet on the outcome of this election.
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United States42591 Posts
Remember local mom who didn't finish high school but knows what's best for her kids better than any fancy pants doctor with their actual medical training, Trump has your back.
This is the shit I'm talking about. He's reaching out to people who hate the way the world dismisses them and their opinions and telling them that it doesn't matter what the so called experts say, he believes in them. It's populism. Whether or not it's good policy (it's fucking not, vaccines are like the single biggest public health victory (maybe joint victory with sewers) of our time) doesn't make any difference to him, there is a wave of resentment built on the perception of marginalization within America and he's hoping to ride it to the top. People don't like the fact that a complete ignorance of the subject is used to disqualify their opinion and Trump promises to say what they want to hear. He's an empowerment fantasy for idiots everywhere.
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