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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please. In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up! NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious. Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 24 2016 02:23 farvacola wrote: Somewhere in between killing families and complete pacifism lies the solution, clearly. But those options are complicated. I hate complicated solutions to complex problems. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23076 Posts
On June 24 2016 02:01 Mohdoo wrote: I can't keep track of every post in this thread. Wasn't really sure what to search for, so I was assuming you had it on hand in some way. The quote was already posted but here's the doc for reference. wikileaks.org | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
PS man I wish tl would stop having annoying ads so I didn't have to disable stuff that breaks other discussion/forum features just to be able to use tl. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On June 24 2016 02:26 Plansix wrote: But those options are complicated. I hate complicated solutions to complex problems. The large statement the right wants to get across is that the left is trying to re-write what the problem is in the first place and not accepting it when it's staring them in the face. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15513 Posts
On June 24 2016 02:29 zlefin wrote: GH -> the quote didn't sound like it remotely said what you said it said. PS man I wish tl would stop having annoying ads so I didn't have to disable stuff that breaks other discussion/forum features just to be able to use tl. You mean on mobile? Running ublock and I don't see anything on desktop. I tried to whitelist TL, but some of the inappropriate ads kept slipping through and I have zero tolerance for that when I'm at work. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 24 2016 02:30 SK.Testie wrote: The large statement the right wants to get across is that the left is trying to re-write what the problem is in the first place and not accepting it when it's staring them in the face. That we need to execute the families of terrorist without due process in order to win? Because that is what this discussion is about. Edit: Before you answer, just remember this was the really uplifting discussion that got the thread closed last time. And it was brought up by Solar last time. Personally, I think we need a moratorium on murdering families as a solution to terrorism. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On June 24 2016 02:29 zlefin wrote: GH -> the quote didn't sound like it remotely said what you said it said. PS man I wish tl would stop having annoying ads so I didn't have to disable stuff that breaks other discussion/forum features just to be able to use tl. Mute the tab you view TL in has been working well for me. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 24 2016 02:14 Nyxisto wrote: Am I less dead if someone kills me without an agenda? If not I don't really care. The dangerous part is the murder thing, not the agenda Sure, but the point is that Islamic terrorism also threatens those who won't die from the immediate acts of terrorism. It's not a "one off" type of thing. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On June 24 2016 02:32 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Mute the tab you view TL in has been working well for me. the problem is it's not just the sound; it was also randomly freezing up my other tabs because of something. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On June 24 2016 02:29 zlefin wrote: GH -> the quote didn't sound like it remotely said what you said it said. PS man I wish tl would stop having annoying ads so I didn't have to disable stuff that breaks other discussion/forum features just to be able to use tl. It's literally no different than what Trump was saying from a functional perspective. Use threat against the opposition's family as leverage. The only difference is Trump came and said it outright bluntly on an interview that would get spread by the MSM like wildfire while Hillary is secretive about it. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On June 24 2016 02:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote: It's literally no different than what Trump was saying from a functional perspective. Use threat against the opposition's family as leverage. The only difference is Trump came and said it outright bluntly and Hillary is secretive about it. please don't say literally when you mean figuratively. I disagree with your reading of the Hillary statement on this point; that's not how it reads to me. But I can see how you might read it your way; though the evidence that she intended it to mean they should direct attacks against members of Assad's family who aren't guilty of anything seems rather thin. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On June 24 2016 02:30 SK.Testie wrote: The large statement the right wants to get across is that the left is trying to re-write what the problem is in the first place and not accepting it when it's staring them in the face. as the left and right are quite groupings, with many disparate opinions; it's hard to tell which left groups you're responding to. There may well be some groups which aren't recognizing the problem, but I'd say most of them do have a good sense of what the problem is. There are some on the left who understate the degree to which the problem is Islam; there are some on the right who overrstate the degree to which the problem is Islam. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On June 24 2016 02:42 zlefin wrote: please don't say literally when you mean figuratively. I disagree with your reading of the Hillary statement on this point; that's not how it reads to me. But I can see how you might read it your way; though the evidence that she intended it to mean they should direct attacks against members of Assad's family who aren't guilty of anything seems rather thin. I meant literal when I said literal. Functionally, they are literally advocating the same use of force policies. We just have to disagree then but I think you're being unfairly biased here in your interpretation of the two's positions. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21587 Posts
On June 24 2016 01:57 SK.Testie wrote: Yes, Hillary laid out everything on Assad in her e-mails. The only thing I didn't see mentioned was the Qatar pipeline. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/pDewE/ba54be27cb.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/pDezT/566faf1d57.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/pDeEi/7baf07b61b.jpg) That is completely different from what Trump says. Trump says kill their families. That email says that because Assad's life and the lives of his family is in danger he will only react to force and not other means of negotiation. The email does not say to threaten his family. It states the present situation (rebels threatening his life and that of his family) and its effect on negotation. Once again a basic failure of the English language leads to stupid strawman statements. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On June 24 2016 02:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I meant literal when I said literal. Functionally, they are literally advocating the same use of force policies. We just have to disagree then but I think you're being unfairly biased here in your interpretation of the two's positions. I mean Trump literally isn't saying that. Especially since he changed his view. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-terrorists_us_56e0d7cde4b065e2e3d4d82d Donald Trump said Wednesday night that he doesn’t necessarily want to kill the families of terrorists — a controversial proposal he has raised at various points during his campaign. Instead, Trump told CNN, his policy would merely be “to go after them” if he wins the White House. What “go after them” actually means is left to the imagination of voters, since Trump spoke only in evasive bromides during the interview. “We have to do something and it’s the only way you stop it.” “We have to be a lot tougher. We are playing with a different set of rules.” “We have to play the game at a much tougher level than we are playing.” “We’re not fighting it strongly enough.” Fact is we have no idea what Trump will do. He changes his ideas too often. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21587 Posts
On June 24 2016 02:49 On_Slaught wrote: I mean Trump literally isn't saying that. Especially since he changed his view. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-terrorists_us_56e0d7cde4b065e2e3d4d82d "We should go after them" and give them hugs and cuddles? | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On June 24 2016 02:49 On_Slaught wrote: I mean Trump literally isn't saying that. Especially since he changed his view. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-terrorists_us_56e0d7cde4b065e2e3d4d82d Isn't that what I argued he was getting at like 2-3 weeks ago prior to a thread lock when everyone was bringing up how it made him such a monster for 'advocating we prioritize killing innocent families' as his foreign policy platform. Golly-gee what a coincidence I guess the billionaire running for president isn't a complete nutjob sociopath who just wants to murder innocent people. Fuck me right? haha | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 24 2016 02:50 Gorsameth wrote: "We should go after them" and give them hugs and cuddles? We need to change the rules on hugs and cuddles. | ||
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