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It's actually a curious situation as the questions the media have been discussing are: a) is Sanders lying on funding? b) is Sanders lying about debates? That's terrible for Sanders as merely asking those question erodes one of his strengths: being seen as an honest and genuine politician. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14076 Posts
On April 03 2016 05:39 kwizach wrote: There's really no need to discuss the issue further. The Washington Post fact checking piece I posted earlier exposes the ridiculousness of the accusation (including with regards to how greenpeace counts as "oil & gas money" some of the funds going to her superpac). Sander's campaign is desperate and grasping at straws. Hopefully, when they have no other choice but to stop lying to themselves about still having a shot at the nomination, they'll stop with the dishonest smears and try to go back to running a positive campaign around a message. Sanders is still somehow who deeply cares about economic inequality, and since he's not an idiot he'll end up supporting Clinton for the presidency. Theres nothing in the piece that says how "ridiculousness" the accusation is. It says that the greenpeace math that sanders is quoting tacks on money from lobbyists that donate money from more then one client. But there isn't any way for anyone to desern from who the money is coming from. that means you can't say it is and you can't say it isn't for sure and in that little gray zone you can say whatever you want and not be false. You mean a political campaign is exaggerating gray information to attack another candidate? | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
A. Are there candidates other than hillary clinton? B. Trump You could run a story about how Bernie stole money from little old ladies at a nursing home and people would still trust him more than Clinton. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On April 03 2016 06:50 oneofthem wrote: people are morons news at 11 You're the one who plans on voting for hillary specifically because you think she is lying and doesn't mean any of the things she has said recently. | ||
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oBlade
United States5823 Posts
On April 03 2016 07:17 Jormundr wrote: You're the one who plans on voting for hillary specifically because you think she is lying and doesn't mean any of the things she has said recently. Isn't that the whole challenge of politics? They all lie and we have to filter the lies from truths and figure out what they're really up to and whether we want to support them. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
thanks to unprecedented disclosure by the clintons, there are legitimate questions about the operations of the clinton foundation and their gating of lobbying influences. however, there is not enough to give rise to the type of hating displayed by some. as an exercise, i want some kind of informed reasoning with the hillary hating, rising above sentiment. | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
On April 03 2016 08:28 oneofthem wrote: except his policies are shit lol? Dude come on man. He's just lying about his policies to get votes which is fine, everyone has to do it to become elected president. His real policies which he can't release until he gets elected will be great obviously. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10135 Posts
On April 03 2016 08:28 oneofthem wrote: except his policies are shit lol? He is obviously lying, the good policies are locked in his deck to when he finally sits in office. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On April 03 2016 08:31 ZeaL. wrote: if you are clueless enough to not have any informed guesses about their core platforms then okay, you might think you have a gotcha here. Dude come on man. He's just lying about his policies to get votes which is fine, everyone has to do it to become elected president. His real policies which he can't release until he gets elected will be great obviously. people who know more about trump, and for that matter, hillary, would be able to make judgments about who they are without resorting to crass relativism. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
No business can operate without bankers — not even the bribery business. British financial giant HSBC and American bailout kingpin Citibank processed transactions, managed money and vouched for Unaoil, a once-obscure firm that is now at the center of a massive international corruption scandal. Police raided Unaoil’s Monaco offices and interviewed its executives on Thursday, a day after The Huffington Post and Fairfax Media first exposed the company’s practices. Law enforcement agencies in at least four nations are involved in a wide-ranging probe of the company and its partners. Halliburton, KBR and other corporate conglomerates relied on Unaoil to deliver them lucrative contracts with corrupt regimes in oil-rich nations. But without the help of banks like HSBC and Citibank, none of Unaoil’s operations would have been possible. Both Citibank and HSBC declined to comment on whether Unaoil or the Ahsani family, who own and operate the firm, remain their clients. “As a matter of policy, we only maintain relationships with clients who have been vetted through our strict due diligence and compliance checks,” HSBC spokeswoman Sorrel Beynon told HuffPost in a written statement. Two federal statutes, the Bank Secrecy Act of 1970 and the Patriot Act of 2001, make it a crime for banks to knowingly process transactions related to illegal activity or to ignore red flags that they may be allowing illegal cash to flow through the financial system. Whether Citibank or HSBC broke the law depends on whether investigators determine that Unaoil’s deals were illegal and whether the banks knew or should have known about that. Source | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23581 Posts
“As a matter of policy, we only maintain relationships with clients who have been vetted through our strict due diligence and compliance checks,” HSBC spokeswoman Sorrel Beynon told HuffPost in a written statement. Wait are they vetting clients to make sure they ARE involved in criminal activities? Because that's the only way that statement makes sense. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
this is some real revolutionary tactics by the sandernista movement | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
On April 03 2016 08:48 oneofthem wrote: https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/bernie-vs-hillary-boils-over-nevada-clark-convention this is some real revolutionary tactics by the sandernista movement "crass relativism" lol, it must nice to live in a world with no mirrors. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22055 Posts
On April 03 2016 08:46 GreenHorizons wrote: Wait are they vetting clients to make sure they ARE involved in criminal activities? Because that's the only way that statement makes sense. No it doesn't. It does however show how useless the vetting is since (assuming they are indeed diligent about avoiding dirty clients (hint, they don't care)) it completely missed the giant corruption scene running. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On April 03 2016 08:48 farvacola wrote: "crass relativism" lol, it must nice to live in a world with no mirrors. when you can't tell between trump and hillary because of some use of campaigning tactics, crass relativism is indeed too nice. it's more of a case of flippant idiocy | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
edit: I mean seriously, it's to the point where I'm wondering if he has a medical condition or something. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
On April 03 2016 09:11 oneofthem wrote: when you can't tell between trump and hillary because of some use of campaigning tactics, crass relativism is indeed too nice. it's more of a case of flippant idiocy When you can't even tell that your crassly relativistic sniping has just been deftly turned against you, there's definitely idiocy involved. Like I've been saying for months now, you're just as bad for democratic consensus as Sanders' idealistic lack of nuance. DWS is hiring interns btw, you might want to consider a career change. | ||
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