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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please. In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up! NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious. Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action. | ||
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Naracs_Duc
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GreenHorizons
United States24504 Posts
On April 02 2016 05:03 Naracs_Duc wrote: So apparently TL is okay with government taking money from its people so long as its demographics that TL dislikes. Doesn't have anything to do with how much they are liked or not. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 02 2016 05:03 Naracs_Duc wrote: So apparently TL is okay with government taking money from its people so long as its demographics that TL dislikes. I like myself and I am fine with the government taxing whatever money I receive from my parents. I don't really see that trend at all. | ||
KwarK
United States44439 Posts
On April 02 2016 05:03 Naracs_Duc wrote: So apparently TL is okay with government taking money from its people so long as its demographics that TL dislikes. You've not heard of taxation? Basically although nobody likes to pay for things some things need paying for. There are many ways this money can be raised, some are better than others. For example a poll tax takes the same amount from people regardless of means. I would argue that taxing unearned gifts that people do not depend upon to live is a far better way to fund public services than taxing earned income. | ||
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farvacola
United States18875 Posts
On April 02 2016 05:03 Naracs_Duc wrote: So apparently TL is okay with government taking money from its people so long as its demographics that TL dislikes. lol, you should talk with the sovereign citizen folks, I hear they need able advocates. | ||
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KwarK
United States44439 Posts
On April 02 2016 05:08 farvacola wrote: lol, you should talk with the sovereign citizen folks, I hear they need able advocates. "I do not wish to create joinder with the government" | ||
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SolaR-
United States2686 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On April 02 2016 05:03 Naracs_Duc wrote: So apparently TL is okay with government taking money from its people so long as its demographics that TL dislikes. I'm in a painful tax bracket and I say keep cranking it. I could pay significantly more taxes and live a very comfortable life. The fact that so many people are in my position without the student loan debt that I have just makes me laugh. What an unbelievably easy, care free life that must be. And a lot of those same people still find reason to complain about taxes. It's insane. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 02 2016 05:09 KwarK wrote: "I do not wish to create joinder with the government" “I will only accept my inheritance in troy ounces of gold.” Recently had one of those guys ask for me and my attorney to be banished. We assume from the US, but its unclear. I swear to god they are all getting their boiler plate “pleadings” from one website, because this is the third time. | ||
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KwarK
United States44439 Posts
On April 02 2016 05:10 SolaR- wrote: I probably won't see any inheritance from my parents, i dont want others to have theirs taxed. The government shouldnt have any control over a familys wealth and who they pass it on to. But they should be able to tax the money you receive in exchange for labour? You're okay with having your money taken if you work for it but you draw the line at tax for unearned money? | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
Maybe in Sweden where the prime minister has been a welder and a trade unionist, but come on in the US, Germany or any other bigger country? The Clintons and Bushs are literally dynasties. The famous German Mittelstand is hundreds of years old aristocracy practically | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 02 2016 04:53 KwarK wrote: You understand that a lot of what he is doing is investing in tech which doesn't attract venture capitalists but represents huge intrinsic value, such as small scale water purification, sewage processing and the like? Stuff that would be insanely profitable if the lives of African children weren't worth a big $0 on the traditional spreadsheet. It's not that the stuff he's making isn't useful or profitable, it's that it's not useful and profitable to rich white guys which historically has always been the qualifier. The tech he's investing in is incredibly important. Furthermore his approach is the absolute opposite of fostering dependency. You could argue that he doesn't achieve his goals but if you read his foundation's newsletters you'd see that rather than foster dependency he likes to invest in things which will trigger positive feedback loops such as education. I think the evidence is that "investing" in education is hardly that. These projects are virtue signaling, like when Zukerberg thought he could fix Newark's school system. The problem with charity is that it provides things people don't really want. And its not just about people in Africa not being able to afford things like micro-water treatment its about failure to preserve durable goods in those areas even when they exist (like the formerly US-level train infrastructure in modern day Zimbabwe). | ||
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farvacola
United States18875 Posts
The tax revenue produced in Lansing, MI alone will be enormous. | ||
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SolaR-
United States2686 Posts
On April 02 2016 05:12 KwarK wrote: But they should be able to tax the money you receive in exchange for labour? You're okay with having your money taken if you work for it but you draw the line at tax for unearned money? I don't like income tax either to tell you the truth. I don't have a solution to it though. | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On April 02 2016 04:50 Nyxisto wrote: Yep Gates should try to build democratic institutions in the third world so that the people can create some form of social and bureaucratic structure, I don't like his "awesome technology and my money will solve all the problems" methodology at all gates should give his money, shut up, and try to make a software which doesnt suck balls. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24504 Posts
On April 02 2016 05:14 cLutZ wrote: I think the evidence is that "investing" in education is hardly that. These projects are virtue signaling, like when Zukerberg thought he could fix Newark's school system. The problem with charity is that it provides things people don't really want. And its not just about people in Africa not being able to afford things like micro-water treatment its about failure to preserve durable goods in those areas even when they exist (like the formerly US-level train infrastructure in modern day Zimbabwe). All investments aren't equal... For instance, the Kind fund is changing lives every day. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 02 2016 05:17 SolaR- wrote: I don't like income tax either to tell you the truth. I don't have a solution to it though. I don’t like any taxes. I just accept that they are part of living in a civil society and we have to pay them to keep the lights on. | ||
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KwarK
United States44439 Posts
On April 02 2016 05:17 SolaR- wrote: I don't like income tax either to tell you the truth. I don't have a solution to it though. It's a zero sum game. The government needs money for shit and they can take it from one, the other or a combination. Trump's running on a campaign promise to end taxes on unearned income. Where do you think the shortfall is going to come from? And do you think hard working citizens and their families are going to come out ahead or do you think ending the tax on inheritances over $5.5m (you get the first five and a half mil tax free) might favour the super rich at the expense of the common man? If you're against inheritance taxes you are for increased income taxes unless you can come up with a third option. And don't just say "lower government spending" because even with that you still have a choice about where to pass on those savings, inheritance taxes or income taxes. | ||
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
On April 02 2016 05:17 SolaR- wrote: I don't have a solution to it though. gated communities and slums is all a stable, just and principaled society needs, the wealth inequality is growing much too slow | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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And I don't even understand when people draw a distinction between inheriting a house and inheriting money, it's exactly the same thing in the eyes of inheritance laws. And the reason for this is that you can very easily convert all of your money into real estate upon death and vice versa. (There are finer points to this, for example regarding caregivers, dependents, etc, but that doesn't seem to be the level this debate is at). Perhaps the super-rich aren't part of society because they are discriminated against. The richest man in Estonia (sold Skype to Microsoft) is a t-shirt wearing programmer who I see around all the time, generally working with other talented people on various projects. Do you really want to push him away by telling him that his wealth effectively expels him from society? If you treat him or his kids differently because of money, not only are you judging people based on their wealth (poor shaming/rich shaming aren't that different), you're creating the problem you claim to want to fight against. Edit: This sounds like I'm for abolishing inheritance taxes. No, the above is a response to the near-militant bashing of rich people above. I don't think radical changes are needed in either direction. | ||
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