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Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9299 Posts
March 20 2016 13:59 GMT
#68181
Those anti-Trump protests are so dumb that if I was a conspiracy theory type of guy I'd think Trump is hiring those protesters.
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kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 14:23:30
March 20 2016 14:22 GMT
#68182
Sounds about right...

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Source
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Verniy
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada3360 Posts
March 20 2016 14:23 GMT
#68183
Heaven's Halberd is the most criminally underbought item in Dota. Together we can stop this.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45915 Posts
March 20 2016 14:27 GMT
#68184
On March 20 2016 23:22 kwizach wrote:
Sounds about right...

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Source


It's too bad that Kasich can't win the Republican nomination... he's so much more level-headed and truthful than Trump and Cruz
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 14:29:03
March 20 2016 14:28 GMT
#68185
On March 20 2016 22:54 farvacola wrote:
Zerohedge, the bastion of journalistic integrity, said he was a liberal; similarly, Zeo has this amazing ability to identify the allegiances of protestors from afar so that their identities gel with his outlook. He put said ability on display in the Ukraine thread and here it is now. Pretty fantastic, isn't it

Please point out where I implied the allegiances of these two protesters.

edit: ^un-ironically citing Politifact /facepalm
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45915 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 15:16:49
March 20 2016 15:11 GMT
#68186
On March 20 2016 22:54 farvacola wrote:
Zerohedge, the bastion of journalistic integrity, said he was a liberal; similarly, Zeo has this amazing ability to identify the allegiances of protestors from afar so that their identities gel with his outlook. He put said ability on display in the Ukraine thread and here it is now. Pretty fantastic, isn't it


To clarify, NettleS said the protester was a liberal.*
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 15:20:44
March 20 2016 15:20 GMT
#68187
My mistake, apologies Zeo.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 15:36:51
March 20 2016 15:34 GMT
#68188
[image loading]


Now thats not something you expect to see in Cuba...

Obams goin' to Cuba

+ Show Spoiler [Dat flag tho] +

[image loading]

Pervy photographer
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 15:44:57
March 20 2016 15:44 GMT
#68189
In the heady days of Barack Obama’s campaign for the White House in 2008, the soon-to-be president made a speech at the Cuban American National Foundation that was to become a benchmark for his relations with a hemisphere.

“It’s time for a new alliance of the Americas,” the candidate declared. “It’s time to turn the page on the arrogance of Washington and the anti-Americanism across the region that stands in the way of progress.”

He went on to promise that he would engage Cuba, help to end the conflict in Colombia, boost democracy and development in Haiti, crack down on drug cartels in Mexico and strengthen trade and aid to Latin America as a whole.

After the stagnation of the Bush era, this sounded like a bold step forward, particularly given the regional mood at the time. Venezuela’s Hugo Chávez was in his Washington-bashing pomp. Leftwing administrations dominated the continent. China’s influence was on the rise.

Even after Obama entered the White House, many doubted he would fare any better than his predecessors in winning the hearts and minds of his regional neighbours. The nerdy northern president looked like a soft touch compared with the caudillo hard-men of the south.

Fast forward eight years, however, and it is undoubtedly Obama’s vision that is in the ascendant. On Sunday, he will be in his pomp as the first sitting US president in 88 years to visit Havana, a move that looks likely to be remembered among the greatest legacies of his presidency. Meanwhile, the regional leaders who once isolated him are falling like flies. Declining commodity prices, election defeats and corruption investigations are reversing the “pink tide” of the Latin left that was once a source of hope for socialists around the world.

The past week has seen massive anti-government demonstrations in Brazil and a heightened legal challenge against former Workers party president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. Last month, Bolivia’s formerly unbeatable president Evo Morales lost his first election – a referendum that would have changed the constitution so he could remain in power until the middle of the next decade.

Almost every day, there is grim economic news from Venezuela, where Chávez’s successor, Nicolás Maduro, recently lost control of Congress. In Argentina, meanwhile, the new centre-right president, Mauricio Macri, is busy unravelling the policies of his populist predecessor, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner. Obama will give this change of direction his stamp of approval by visiting Buenos Aires after he leaves Havana.

His regional swagger was not always so confident. In the early days of his presidency, it looked as though his pledge of better neighborhood relations was just froth and talk, designed only to win over the sizeable Hispanic vote. Like many a president before him, Obama devoted his foreign policy attention to the Middle East and Russia. Latin America appeared an afterthought. Disappointed regional leaders turned against him. At the Summit of the Americas in Cartagena, Colombia, in April 2012, the US looked more isolated than ever.

The main cause of friction was US policy towards Cuba. Washington’s cold war embargo and its work to block Havana from neighbors was seen as a part of the arrogance and interference that had characterized US policy for decades. It left every other plan snarled in resentment.

But by reaching out with a surprise pope-brokered agreement with Raúl Castro on 17 December 2014, Obama appears to have cut this Gordian knot. At last year’s Summit of the Americas in Panama, he shook hands and talked to Castro, held a 10-minute dialogue with Chávez’ successor, and won plaudits (as well as the usual brickbats) from other leaders.


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frazzle
Profile Joined June 2012
United States468 Posts
March 20 2016 15:45 GMT
#68190
On March 20 2016 17:41 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
The irony of a democrat supporter wearing a KKK outfit to a republican rally makes me chuckle.I'm guessing he's more a Sanders man but someone at least needs to remind him even in modern times Hillary went to Sen. Robert Byrds funeral and paid respects.

Right. So David Duke has renounced white nationalism? That is news to me.

You guys always need to bend the context so grotesquely to make your points. Any cursory search shows Byrd renounced his KKK ties long ago and changed his views while still, like most old men of that time, making a gaffe here and there. But you NEED him to have died a KKK goon to create a counter narrative to the Southern Strategy. And of course there's that.

Everyone who bothers to learn anything of American politics in the Civil Rights and Nixon Era learns of the Southern Strategy when all the racists who resented the Democrat push behind the Civil Rights movement were courted by the Republican party. But you NEED to keep trying to associate the Democratic party with it's links to the KKK from 50 years ago plus, when you know full well the Republican party enthusiastically embraced their supporters beginning with the Goldwater presidential campaign as a cynical effort to remain electorally viable. Meanwhile your likely nominee for president quite obviously circumlocutes the whole David Duke endorsement refusing to repudiate it because he knows he probably needs the racist vote to get elected. He just needs to figure out how to work the dogwhistle.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2016 15:51 GMT
#68191
On March 21 2016 00:34 ticklishmusic wrote:
[image loading]


Now thats not something you expect to see in Cuba...

Obams goin' to Cuba

+ Show Spoiler [Dat flag tho] +

[image loading]

Pervy photographer

also:

[image loading]

they might want to reconsider that.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45915 Posts
March 20 2016 15:54 GMT
#68192
On March 21 2016 00:51 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2016 00:34 ticklishmusic wrote:
[image loading]


Now thats not something you expect to see in Cuba...

Obams goin' to Cuba

+ Show Spoiler [Dat flag tho] +

[image loading]

Pervy photographer

also:

[image loading]

they might want to reconsider that.


That's amazing. Especially with the Obama laugh.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
March 20 2016 16:40 GMT
#68193
Came across this video earlier today:



I had seen the footage of her comments before, but I didn't know they had created a controversy like that. Pretty crazy to think this was as recent as 1992.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Ravianna26
Profile Joined March 2013
United States44 Posts
March 20 2016 16:51 GMT
#68194
On March 20 2016 23:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2016 23:22 kwizach wrote:
Sounds about right...

[image loading]

Source


It's too bad that Kasich can't win the Republican nomination... he's so much more level-headed and truthful than Trump and Cruz


He's unprincipled and is selfishly running for VP at this point. Which is why 54% of Ohio Republicans voted against him in the Ohio primary.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
March 20 2016 17:16 GMT
#68195
On March 20 2016 14:20 oneofthem wrote:
literally all of sanders' permanent support is suspicion of current political leadership of the dem party. all of this hope and stuff is on the basis of perceived desperation and lack of hope in the present.

his youth supporters are actually the more transient of the bunch. the low information, emotionally engaged bunch that are for sanders because he excites them. but this 'positive' position on sanders is far from enough to justify a split of the dem party. the ones who will split are the hardened haters of the 'establishment.'

fact of the matter is obstruction from the right rather than ineptitude or lack of courage from the dem leadership is really what's holding everything back. the relative gain from going to sanders platform vs hillary is NEGATIVE. it is simply more important to win than to go further left.


Trump and anti-Trump are both all meanings and none in postmodern hyperreality. Truly fourth order simulacra.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45915 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 17:24:48
March 20 2016 17:17 GMT
#68196
On March 21 2016 01:51 Ravianna26 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2016 23:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 20 2016 23:22 kwizach wrote:
Sounds about right...

[image loading]

Source


It's too bad that Kasich can't win the Republican nomination... he's so much more level-headed and truthful than Trump and Cruz


He's unprincipled and is selfishly running for VP at this point. Which is why 54% of Ohio Republicans voted against him in the Ohio primary.


1. What makes you think he's unprincipled?
2. What makes you think he's focusing on the vice presidency?
3. What makes you think he's being selfish?

He won Ohio right? That hardly seems like an issue to me.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 17:28:13
March 20 2016 17:27 GMT
#68197
While Kasich staying in only really helps Trump it seems, with so many winner take all states on the Republican side, I have no doubt his reasons are genuine. He is staying in so that he has the most legitimate argument for getting the moderate vote in the event of a brokered convention. If he drops out, he probably thinks he gives up the high ground and could lose that consideration to people like Rubio/Romney/Ryan etc.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 17:48:08
March 20 2016 17:43 GMT
#68198
On March 21 2016 00:34 ticklishmusic wrote:
[image loading]


Now thats not something you expect to see in Cuba...

Obams goin' to Cuba

+ Show Spoiler [Dat flag tho] +

[image loading]

Pervy photographer


As a Cuban/American, I think it's great that this is happening. The more that American culture can penetrate the country, the less likely it'll continue as a dictatorship country in the near future. I travel to Cuba at least four - five times a year since 2006 and every year I've brought almost the same amount of food and supplies. These relations are making it easier and cheaper for me to bring in supplies overall.

And as an entrepreneur this also allows me to hit a niche pretty soon in the market of Cuba and US. Good times are coming ahead for both parties imo.

Some pics from my most recent travel, beautiful country if you get a chance to visit.
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On the truth meter, Bernie and Kasich are preferred. I also remember reading a few posts back about the email scandal with Hillary and truth be told, I have a good friend who is a software developer and .NET engineer for the Library of Congress. He hate's working for the current congress to the point he asked to be move, second he thinks that there is severe issues with the technical infrastructure and that's due to cuts and the amount of time it takes for them to approve said "technology". He really thinks they're stuck in the past when it comes to that. So for Hillary to host her own emails securely some where else, is some what understandable.
Life?
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
March 20 2016 17:44 GMT
#68199
On March 20 2016 23:23 Verniy wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0Bd--ASXL8

Good for him.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 20 2016 17:48 GMT
#68200
For rent: brand new one-bedroom apartments in the shadow of downtown Dallas, a short walk from one of the city’s trendiest areas. On-site concierge. Successful applicants will be homeless, mentally ill and possess criminal records.

These are strange-sounding tenant requirements, but The Cottages at Hickory Crossing is an unusual kind of project. It is a “housing first” strategy: find the homeless a permanent place of their own before trying to solve their problems, rather than the other way around.

The fifty 400sq ft units are set to open in April in north Texas. Despite its bucolic name, Hickory Crossing is wedged between freeways a mile from the city’s high-rises, with railroad tracks, warehouses and the nightlife of the Deep Ellum district close by. One of the nonprofits that has raised the funds for the multimillion dollar project, CitySquare, has an Opportunity Center across the road offering a variety of services for low-income Dallas residents.

“In order to live across the street you have to be chronically homeless, disabled, with some presenting mental health issue, typically drugs or alcohol, and you have to have a criminal background. If you haven’t been in jail you can’t stay in our houses,” says Larry James, CitySquare’s CEO.

The process of selecting tenants is under way. It began by identifying the 300 most expensive homeless people in the county, based on their cost to city services such as the health and prison systems.


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