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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 08:34:12
March 20 2016 08:32 GMT
#68161
would like to know what was written on the sign the guy was holding oO

From the description I first thought it's like the girl wearing a KKK outfit was attacked but her friend got inbetween and got beaten up. But looking at it, while they both obviously belong together the black man was certainly going for the man holding the sign on purpose with the woman quite a distance away. Which is quite odd to say the least.

Really the woman is wearing a KKK mask and making the nazi salute and he's going for the one holding the sign instead. That must be one damn nasty sign to be worse than the above.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 08:37:51
March 20 2016 08:34 GMT
#68162
Are you saying the woman should have been beaten up?

Its part of our male privilege to get beaten up when our female companions start shit I guess.
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 08:37:52
March 20 2016 08:37 GMT
#68163
well, obviously noone should have been beaten up. They were guided out of the place by what looks like police and no problem emerging.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23948 Posts
March 20 2016 08:40 GMT
#68164
On March 20 2016 17:34 zeo wrote:
Are you saying the woman should have been beaten up?


Well if we're assaulting people for interrupting, why not?

Just curious if it's a two way street. If Rubio supporters would of beat the Trump supporter yelling during his last press conference would that of been acceptable too?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4416 Posts
March 20 2016 08:41 GMT
#68165
The irony of a democrat supporter wearing a KKK outfit to a republican rally makes me chuckle.I'm guessing he's more a Sanders man but someone at least needs to remind him even in modern times Hillary went to Sen. Robert Byrds funeral and paid respects.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
March 20 2016 08:43 GMT
#68166
On March 20 2016 17:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2016 17:34 zeo wrote:
Are you saying the woman should have been beaten up?


Well if we're assaulting people for interrupting, why not?

Just curious if it's a two way street. If Rubio supporters would of beat the Trump supporter yelling during his last press conference would that of been acceptable too?

I'm sure its not acceptable for a black person to hit a white person wearing a KKK costume... ever. It's good we have cleared that up.
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4416 Posts
March 20 2016 08:44 GMT
#68167
On March 20 2016 17:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2016 17:34 zeo wrote:
Are you saying the woman should have been beaten up?


Well if we're assaulting people for interrupting, why not?

Just curious if it's a two way street. If Rubio supporters would of beat the Trump supporter yelling during his last press conference would that of been acceptable too?

There's heckling and then theres showing up in KKK outfits with black people present.Get some perspective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 08:49:40
March 20 2016 08:46 GMT
#68168
On March 20 2016 17:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2016 17:34 zeo wrote:
Are you saying the woman should have been beaten up?


Well if we're assaulting people for interrupting, why not?

Just curious if it's a two way street. If Rubio supporters would of beat the Trump supporter yelling during his last press conference would that of been acceptable too?

that's exactly what I'm getting at.

If the man is angry, which I could totally understand considering we're talking about a couple with one wearing a KKK mask doing nazi saluts, I would assume he's going for that person wearing the frickin' KKK mask doing nazi saluts. As much as I don't want either one to be beaten up as they're clearly guided out already and taken care of I do understand that.

But that's not what he's doing, he's instead going for the one with the sign which either means that's one hell of a nasty sign or he's beating him up for being a heckler in general rather than what's on the sign.

Either way, I think we can agree that "just beat them up, I'll pay for your legal fees" or whatever it was, might get more media attention again.

I guess it could also be pure coincidence since the guy who was only holding a sign was plainly the first to pass him.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4416 Posts
March 20 2016 08:52 GMT
#68169
Maybe he just doesn't want to hit a woman.
Contrary to what you hear the feminists and left wing press say nowdays there are still men like that around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 09:04:53
March 20 2016 09:01 GMT
#68170
1) don't want to punch a woman despite her making me really angry
2) well, but I want to punch someone because I'm really angry
3) oh well, just punch someone else

?
idk, if he doesn't want to punch the person wearing a KKK-mask and doing nazi-salutes because she's a woman not punching anyone at all seems like the more likely outcome to me.

Just to clarify. I'm aware that people exist for which my #1 holds true and there's probably a case to be made that after #1, #2 follows for a bunch of people. I just don't see someone going from #1 to #3.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
March 20 2016 09:06 GMT
#68171
On March 20 2016 07:31 LegalLord wrote:
On business: People get discriminated against for all sorts of stupid reasons. You can be discriminated against for being white, or for not being white. For being female, or for being male. For being good-looking, or for being ugly. For any of many infinite trivial reasons including if you said one little tidbit when talking to them that they didn't like. Guess what? It's their choice how to treat people, and everyone is discriminated against to some extent for some reason or other. Discrimination in the eyes of the law is the only type of discrimination that matters.

It's pretty mind-blowing that messages like that still get posted in a thread like this. This issue has been addressed time and time again here, and it's incredibly easy to take a few seconds to educate yourself on the topic. No, everyone doesn't get discriminated against equally. People do not get discriminated against for being white as much as African Americans, latinos etc. get discriminated against for not being white. This is such a well-documented fact, and the number of scientific studies demonstrating it is so high, that you have to be either incredibly misinformed, or simply not interested in reality, to still claim that discrimination happens to everyone more or less equally. It's just such an ignorant stance it's baffling some educated posters are still defending it on here.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11512 Posts
March 20 2016 09:07 GMT
#68172
Ugh. You know those 'parodies' that become indistinguishable from the real thing? Like "I know this is bad, but I'm doing it on purpose so it's funny and a parody' Basically the parody isn't a parody, but is really just an imitation of the real thing.

This is the same. I support the right to protest... outside. I support the right of the organizers to throw out protesters from the rally. I support the idea of continuing to hold Trump to account for pretending he didn't know who David Duke and the white nationalists were... and then pretending to not know what the question was after the fact. But if you truly are against the KKK and everything it stands for, you can't hold a person to account for refusing to disavow the KKK initially... by dressing up like the KKK. You become the monster to fight the monster? Naw. Doesn't work in my book. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
ModeratorDavid Duke, Richard Spencer, Nick Fuentes, Daily Stormer... "Some very fine people on both sides"
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 09:27:05
March 20 2016 09:26 GMT
#68173
On March 20 2016 18:01 Toadesstern wrote:
1) don't want to punch a woman despite her making me really angry
2) well, but I want to punch someone because I'm really angry
3) oh well, just punch someone else

?
idk, if he doesn't want to punch the person wearing a KKK-mask and doing nazi-salutes because she's a woman not punching anyone at all seems like the more likely outcome to me.

Just to clarify. I'm aware that people exist for which my #1 holds true and there's probably a case to be made that after #1, #2 follows for a bunch of people. I just don't see someone going from #1 to #3.

Just to clarify both were wearing KKK hoods earlier, the man took his off while being escorted out.
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2016 09:29 GMT
#68174
ah that makes a lot more sense, thanks.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23948 Posts
March 20 2016 09:35 GMT
#68175
On March 20 2016 18:07 Falling wrote:
Ugh. You know those 'parodies' that become indistinguishable from the real thing? Like "I know this is bad, but I'm doing it on purpose so it's funny and a parody' Basically the parody isn't a parody, but is really just an imitation of the real thing.

This is the same. I support the right to protest... outside. I support the right of the organizers to throw out protesters from the rally. I support the idea of continuing to hold Trump to account for pretending he didn't know who David Duke and the white nationalists were... and then pretending to not know what the question was after the fact. But if you truly are against the KKK and everything it stands for, you can't hold a person to account for refusing to disavow the KKK initially... by dressing up like the KKK. You become the monster to fight the monster? Naw. Doesn't work in my book. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.


It kind of makes me wonder if legit kkk folks showed up in garb, would he let them in/kick them out?


All sorts of white supremacy symbols have been present, but nothing like hooded kkk members in support of Trump inside the rally yet. There were the KKK folks outside but I don't think anyone ever confirmed whether they were supporters for real or just apparently.

All I know is that's he's said much worse about the people he's been running against than he's said about the KKK lately.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 09:45:52
March 20 2016 09:43 GMT
#68176
actually the guy wasn't wearing a mask or doing nazi salutes while protesting either from what it looks like:

[image loading]

could be CNN tweet being wrong and mixing things up or I'm missing out on something here.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 09:59:51
March 20 2016 09:59 GMT
#68177
Trump's campaign denying his manager grabbed the protester by the collar. Looks like personal responsibility, honesty, and a grasp of reality are definitely not their strong suit:

"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 12:12:13
March 20 2016 12:09 GMT
#68178
On March 20 2016 17:22 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2016 17:03 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Liberal protester in KKK outfit beaten up by black Trump supporter at Trump rally.Hope he got a few stitches at least.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-19/kkk-dressed-nazi-saluting-protester-beaten-black-trump-supporter-arizona-rally

It was a female wearing the KKK costume and she didn't get beaten up, the guy in front of her got him ass handed to him by the black guy. Some really clean punches thrown.



edit: Of course, according to the media its 'racial tension at Trump rally as protester gets beaten up', and the good old 'person in KKK costume at Trump rally'. No context on the horizon.


My God, this is wonderful. I am smiling from ear to ear. Look at the posture. True boxing there boys.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45915 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 13:45:43
March 20 2016 13:44 GMT
#68179
On March 20 2016 21:09 SoSexy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2016 17:22 zeo wrote:
On March 20 2016 17:03 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Liberal protester in KKK outfit beaten up by black Trump supporter at Trump rally.Hope he got a few stitches at least.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-19/kkk-dressed-nazi-saluting-protester-beaten-black-trump-supporter-arizona-rally

It was a female wearing the KKK costume and she didn't get beaten up, the guy in front of her got him ass handed to him by the black guy. Some really clean punches thrown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGyLTeDqBMU

edit: Of course, according to the media its 'racial tension at Trump rally as protester gets beaten up', and the good old 'person in KKK costume at Trump rally'. No context on the horizon.


My God, this is wonderful. I am smiling from ear to ear. Look at the posture. True boxing there boys.


Out of curiosity, what makes this protester a "liberal"? I just woke up so maybe I missed it in the article, but there are just as many people on the Republican/ conservative side calling Trump a racist and pointing out the David Duke/ KKK connection to Trump as there are Democrats/ liberals. I can't tell which political side of the spectrum these protesters are from, and I don't think it says anywhere in the article.

Also, it looks like it wasn't the person in the white hood who got wrecked, but the guy in front of him/ her in the American flag shirt.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 13:56:46
March 20 2016 13:54 GMT
#68180
Zerohedge, the bastion of journalistic integrity, said he was a liberal; similarly, Zeo has this amazing ability to identify the allegiances of protestors from afar so that their identities gel with his outlook. He put said ability on display in the Ukraine thread and here it is now. Pretty fantastic, isn't it
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
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