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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24376 Posts
On March 01 2016 12:26 xDaunt wrote: Okay, liberals. Here's Hillary's blueprint for beating Trump. What do you think? “Can you imagine what he’ll do?” Mr. Dowd, the former Bush strategist, said. She will bring up equal pay for women and abortion rights, Mr. Dowd said, “and he’ll turn to her and say, ‘You can’t even handle your stuff at home.’ ” That would just about sum it up. Plus he would be hitting her on her superPAC (which neither of her opponents would have had). So her excuse evaporates. He's would describe how the interactions with politicians like Hillary go and he would be right and he'd have a long list of stuff to point at with her donors. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On March 01 2016 12:43 Plansix wrote: That is a solid plan, IMO. The independent voters just needs to be swayed that Trump is incapable of handling the oval office. And pointing out that he is a self aggrandizing blow hard that has accomplish little in life beyond not losing his fathers money. Both of these are easy to prove and Trump can't claim he knows more about the Oval office than Obama or Bill Clinton. The democratic party will close ranks against him and more importantly, other independent groups of minorities. And the bigotry will only further the sway over independent voters, who have no interest in electing a bigot. But neither does Clinton look how it is has gone when she attacks Obama's positions then tries to take credit for the exact same position during debates. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On March 01 2016 12:26 xDaunt wrote: Okay, liberals. Here's Hillary's blueprint for beating Trump. What do you think? Looks sound to me -- I don't think it'll be that hard since I don't see Trump expanding his support base that much, but you should always prepare for the worst. What do you think? | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On March 01 2016 12:26 xDaunt wrote: Okay, liberals. Here's Hillary's blueprint for beating Trump. What do you think? Seems reasonable. Once you remove the handicap that every Republican in the primary faces, that telling off Trump would involve telling off 60% of your party, I think the game changes. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 01 2016 12:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: But neither does Clinton look how it is has gone when she attacks Obama's positions then tries to take credit for the exact same position during debates. She disagreed with him on some issues. He knows how it works and that she has to differentiate herself. At the end of the day, they are both part of the same party and both invested in beating Trump. This is what happens at the end of primaries, the parties close ranks. Obama will be addressing Trump's inability to handle the oval office on his own, not with Clinton. | ||
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ErectedZenith
325 Posts
On March 01 2016 12:54 Plansix wrote: She disagreed with him on some issues. He knows how it works and that she has to differentiate herself. At the end of the day, they are both part of the same party and both invested in beating Trump. This is what happens at the end of primaries, the parties close ranks. Obama will be addressing Trump's inability to handle the oval office on his own, not with Clinton. What did she disagree with him on? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 01 2016 12:48 kwizach wrote: Looks sound to me -- I don't think it'll be that hard since I don't see Trump expanding his support base that much, but you should always prepare for the worst. What do you think? The plan is unimaginative at best, but it is probably what Hillary should do. There are some problems with it, however. Let's just take a look at the central thesis: That strategy is beginning to take shape, with groups that support Mrs. Clinton preparing to script and test ads that would portray Mr. Trump as a misogynist and an enemy to the working class whose brash temper would put the nation and the world in grave danger. The issue is that this narrative isn't clean, either because of Trump's actual political positions or because of Hillary's baggage. Hillary can't paint Trump as someone whose brash temper will endanger the nation when he's unequivocally the dove of the two candidates. How many working class people are going to accept that Trump is their enemy when he's championing protectionist policies and Hillary is a shill for stuff like the TPP? The misogynist tag is the most likely to gain some traction, but the problem for Hillary is that she's the wrong messenger for that message. She is struggling to rally women to the cause now against Sanders. It's not going to get any easier when Trump fires the proverbial nuclear missiles at her, arguing that Hillary is a hypocrite who enabled and covered for her sexual predator of a husband (God, I can't wait for this to happen during the debates. It's going to be glorious.). In particular, I think that Trump's message is going to keep a lot of millennial women at home, which will be very bad for Hillary. Regardless, the key point here is that nothing in this plan is particularly new or materially different from what we've seen so far in the primaries. I don't see it making a difference in the general election. As I said before, full knowledge of Trump in all of his glory is already baked into the electoral cake. Either the electorate will accept someone like him or it won't. Nothing that Hillary will do should affect the outcome (unless she torpedoes herself). | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4456 Posts
Clinton is Trumps ideal candidate, so much material to work with.I guess she does have to take the moral high ground with womens and minority issues because she certainly can't claim the moral high ground on Iraq, Libya or lobbyists. Overall it's a very weak strategy.Saw a poll last week stating 62% of democrats and 60% minorities think PC has gone too far. | ||
KwarK
United States44356 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24376 Posts
On March 01 2016 13:29 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: So Clintons plan is to attack the guy whos main reason for being so high in the polls is because he is not politically correct, attack him for not being PC? Clinton is Trumps ideal candidate, so much material to work with.I guess she does have to take the moral high ground with womens and minority issues because she certainly can't claim the moral high ground on Iraq, Libya or lobbyists. Overall it's a very weak strategy.Saw a poll last week stating 62% of democrats and 60% minorities think PC has gone too far. She really is. What she did through the 90's played ok back then, but dragging that back out in the new media and with a deeper understanding in the populace, means it would be absolutely terrible. Though I'm sure we'd all get a kick out of plansix trying to juggle those chainsaws. | ||
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Falling
Canada11607 Posts
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ErectedZenith
325 Posts
On March 01 2016 13:43 Falling wrote: I think the best part of the plan is letting Bill Clinton go to town against Trump. That man can weave numbers into a narrative like nobody's business... unfortunately, that gives Trump a "your Bill is better" line of attack in debates with Hillary. I would LOVE to see Trump vs the REAL Clinton. Holy shit, that would be fucking amazing. | ||
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ElMeanYo
United States1032 Posts
On March 01 2016 12:43 Plansix wrote: That is a solid plan, IMO. The independent voters just needs to be swayed that Trump is incapable of handling the oval office. And pointing out that he is a self aggrandizing blow hard that has accomplish little in life beyond not losing his fathers money. Both of these are easy to prove and Trump can't claim he knows more about the Oval office than Obama or Bill Clinton. The democratic party will close ranks against him and more importantly, other independent groups of minorities. And the bigotry will only further the sway over independent voters, who have no interest in electing a bigot. Exactly. We don't need a KKK member as president. PROOF: Trump at a Klan rally! And he's been at it since '88! | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 01 2016 13:48 ErectedZenith wrote: I would LOVE to see Trump vs the REAL Clinton. Holy shit, that would be fucking amazing. The problem is that Bill isn't quite what he used to be. He's aged a lot over the past four years. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On March 01 2016 11:56 xDaunt wrote: David Brooks is a fucking idiot who encapsulates pretty much everything that is wrong with the Republican Party. lol david brooks. when are they going to take his column away from him? i can barely stand any of the nytimes editorialists except as a hate read. On March 01 2016 13:50 xDaunt wrote: The problem is that Bill isn't quite what he used to be. He's aged a lot over the past four years. he's old, spent 8 years in the greyingest office on the planet, and was raised on southern food | ||
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ErectedZenith
325 Posts
On March 01 2016 12:43 Plansix wrote: That is a solid plan, IMO. The independent voters just needs to be swayed that Trump is incapable of handling the oval office. And pointing out that he is a self aggrandizing blow hard that has accomplish little in life beyond not losing his fathers money. Both of these are easy to prove and Trump can't claim he knows more about the Oval office than Obama or Bill Clinton. The democratic party will close ranks against him and more importantly, other independent groups of minorities. And the bigotry will only further the sway over independent voters, who have no interest in electing a bigot. Right now, the HUGE debates are identity politics. There are A LOT of black supremacists, Muslim fundamentalists, many more and their supporters that are anti-white people. So the more noise those people make, the more powerful Trump gets. The key to beat Trump is to not call him racist/sexist but to actually talk about him detailing his plans. And that all depends if he can or can't answer them convincingly. If he can, fucking great! If he can't, don't vote him up! | ||
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ErectedZenith
325 Posts
On March 01 2016 13:50 xDaunt wrote: The problem is that Bill isn't quite what he used to be. He's aged a lot over the past four years. Then the democrats should send Obama in to face vs Trump in an actual debate. Obama vs Trump would be fucking amazing too! Just Obama's erected zen vs Trump's brutality. HOLY SHIT THAT WOULD BE AMAZING! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 01 2016 13:49 ElMeanYo wrote: Exactly. We don't need a KKK member as president. PROOF: Trump at a Klan rally! And he's been at it since '88! Black people exist and sometimes Trump is in the photo. Amazing. | ||
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