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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 02 2016 04:02 GMT
#56481
I leave for a game of Dota and come back to Trump tied with Rubio and Cruz not that far ahead. And Trump my some miracle didn't call the people of Iowa idiots.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44610 Posts
February 02 2016 04:05 GMT
#56482
49.8% Hillary, 49.6% Bernie. So far, 90% votes are in.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 02 2016 04:06 GMT
#56483


This is the best thing on twitter right now.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
February 02 2016 04:06 GMT
#56484
538 says its up to a .4 percent lead

Clinton is holding on barely here … 90 percent of precincts in and Clinton up 49.9 percent to 49.5 percent.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44610 Posts
February 02 2016 04:07 GMT
#56485
Oh ffs. http://theweek.com/speedreads/602890/hillary-clinton-wins-iowa-precinct-by-coin-toss
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 02 2016 04:08 GMT
#56486
They are effective tied, which isn't terrible for Sanders.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-02 04:10:04
February 02 2016 04:09 GMT
#56487
https://www.idpcaucuses.com/#/state

this is probably the best source for keepin up

EDIT: it crashed lel
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-02 04:11:11
February 02 2016 04:10 GMT
#56488
Cruz campaign must be rewriting the speech as they've already missed the east coast news window.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
February 02 2016 04:12 GMT
#56489
is Iowa winner take all or proportional? I prob should have asked this earlier
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 02 2016 04:13 GMT
#56490
primaries/ caucuses are (usually) proportional i believe, winner take all is for general election with exception of two states
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 02 2016 04:13 GMT
#56491
On February 02 2016 13:12 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
is Iowa winner take all or proportional? I prob should have asked this earlier

Proportional. I think the delegate count is 8 Cruz, 7 for Trump and Rubio.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
February 02 2016 04:14 GMT
#56492
On February 02 2016 13:12 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
is Iowa winner take all or proportional? I prob should have asked this earlier


Proportional, but weird beyond that.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
February 02 2016 04:15 GMT
#56493
If Clinton manages to get the magical 50%+ number, that would also be a major psychological win for her.

And as I quoted earlier, there's the long game:

On February 02 2016 12:38 Ghanburighan wrote:
Actually, a tie is terrible for Sanders:

Show nested quote +

two obstacles in this theory's way: demographics and delegate arithmetic.

In poll after poll, Sanders's best group within the Democratic Party is liberal whites. Unfortunately for Sanders, Iowa and New Hampshire couldn't be much further on the extreme end of the party's demographic or ideological spectrum. According to our estimates, based on past exit polls and Census data, there is only one state where whites who self-identify as liberals make up a higher share of the Democratic primary electorate than Iowa and New Hampshire.

You guessed it: Vermont.

In fact, 98 percent of pledged Democratic delegates will come from states with lower shares of liberal whites than Iowa and New Hampshire. Just 447 of 4,051 pledged Democratic delegates - 11 percent - are tied to results in states or districts with higher shares of college-educated whites than New Hampshire. Moreover, just 13 percent of pledged Democratic delegates will be awarded in caucus states like Iowa, which as 2008 proved, tend to bring out more liberal participants than primaries.

In other words, if Sanders prevails narrowly in Iowa or New Hampshire, his support among liberal whites and in college towns - essentially Portlandia - would be entirely consistent with a scenario in which he also gets clobbered by Clinton nationally.

As Cook National Editor Amy Walter wrote last week, this race will come down to whether Sanders is Howard Dean or Barack Obama. While Dean fizzled in Iowa, Obama's Iowa win solidified his burgeoning popularity among white liberals but also legitimized his candidacy in the eyes of many previously skeptical African-American voters. But so far, there are few hints of a Sanders "expansion" constituency beyond liberal whites.

There's another gigantic Sanders math problem the Post failed to mention: thanks to Clinton's early dominance of superdelegates, he effectively begins the race eight points behind in the delegate count, before any votes are even cast.

Unlike on the GOP side, 713 of Democrats' 4,764 convention delegates (15 percent) are unpledged superdelegates. By the AP's count last November, Clinton had the support of 359 superdelegates. Since then, according to FiveThirtyEight's endorsement tracker, Clinton has picked up 21 congressional endorsements, for an estimated total of 380. The most recent count has Sanders at 11.

This is a much different story from a comparable point in the 2008 primaries, when Obama had already amassed a respectable number of superdelegates and most were still uncommitted. Unless uncommitted superdelegates switch allegiances or flock to Sanders in droves, he wouldn't just need to edge out Clinton in primaries, he would need to beat her soundly just to offset this huge deficit.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
February 02 2016 04:15 GMT
#56494
apparently both dem campaigns declaring victory. I suppose in a certain way.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 02 2016 04:17 GMT
#56495
website went down, website back up, clinton opens up at 50.1 to 49.3 for sanders
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frazzle
Profile Joined June 2012
United States468 Posts
February 02 2016 04:18 GMT
#56496
Cruz speech incoming. Bye bye CNN.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 02 2016 04:18 GMT
#56497
On February 02 2016 13:18 frazzle wrote:
Cruz speech incoming. Bye bye CNN.

You have made the right call.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
February 02 2016 04:20 GMT
#56498
On February 02 2016 13:18 frazzle wrote:
Cruz speech incoming. Bye bye CNN.



"10% flat tax is a good idea."
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
February 02 2016 04:22 GMT
#56499
Support whoever you want, but it's disrespectful to spam a political commentary discussion with messages about you disliking candidates and deliberately avoiding gaining information from their speech to analyse and share with others. To be clear, it's fine not to watch a speech, it's not fine to spread your vitriol on a forum.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4825 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-02 04:23:35
February 02 2016 04:23 GMT
#56500
On February 02 2016 13:22 Ghanburighan wrote:
Support whoever you want, but it's disrespectful to spam a political commentary discussion with messages about you disliking candidates and deliberately avoiding gaining information from their speech to analyse and share with others. To be clear, it's fine not to watch a speech, it's not fine to spread your vitriol on a forum.


You must be new here. This thread especially despises Cruz. I find it immensely amusing.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
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