US Politics Mega-thread - Page 2647

On December 11 2015 12:32 xDaunt wrote:


Prevents? No. It is evidence of the difficulty of assimilating a population.


Nope. Haven't argued this at all. I've merely pointed out how the system works. For the sake of clarity, I agree with the right of Muslims (or any other religion) to use arbitration in the way that MAT does because I believe in the freedom of parties to contract with one another. That said, there are large portions of Sharia Law that I vehemently disagree with.

Over HALF of Muslims around the world want Sharia Law as official law. About the same as Muslims polled in the US.

source for video: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

On December 11 2015 12:50 m4ini wrote:


You have the same "problem" with japanese, chinese, or jews. They don't assimilate well, but they do integrate - and that's the important part.

It's purely ideological chestbeating to state "it's not enough to accept my values, you need to share them. Who gives a shit? Lets be honest now. What's the difference between accepting and sharing certain views/values, other than you assuming that yours are better, so you feel insulted if somebody says "well okay, i abide, but meh"?

You can integrate muslims, and while i agree that it's not easy, it's certainly neither impossible or particularly hard. It just means "effort".

And as a german, in 2006 and 2014, we saw the difference between assimilation and integration first hand. And that was quite surprising, let me tell you.

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Bringing up the same shit that was already debunked dozens of pages back doesn't really help your cause.

On December 11 2015 13:03 Eskendereya wrote:


PEW Research is not credible now? I think you just don't want to believe it, even if there's evidence that proves it.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

It helps to read it. Go back to the last time you posted this.

On December 11 2015 13:05 m4ini wrote:
Oh, i did read the pages (and the subsequent ones, too).

Sadly, they have nothing to do with the video you linked, nor the statement you made.



I guess statistics to misrepresent are hard to come by, that's why he tried a second time.

On December 11 2015 13:14 Plansix wrote:
The same thing is true about Christians.

On December 11 2015 13:17 Eskendereya wrote:


No, Christians don't believe in anything remotely close to Sharia Law, which is the Antithesis of the US Constitution.

"According to the just-released survey of Muslims, a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.” When that question was put to the broader U.S. population, the overwhelming majority held that shariah should not displace the U.S. Constitution (86% to 2%)."

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

On December 11 2015 13:19 Nyxisto wrote:
Well it's not surprising that Christians wouldn't want Sharia Law, I suspect the same people do not pray to Allah either. I would be happy if all the conservatives would channel their new-found humanism towards removing the death penalty though.

On December 11 2015 13:28 Plansix wrote:
And shockingly Christians don't mind being living under Christian laws, but don't want the current system replaced.

On December 11 2015 13:27 Eskendereya wrote:


I wasn't aware of a Christian legal system equivalent to Sharia Law. The point is over half of Muslims want to implement Sharia Law in place of the legal system of whatever country they are in. Show me where over half of Christians or any other religious group wants to implement their own entire religious legal system.

According to the just-released survey of Muslims, a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.”

More than half (51%) of U.S. Muslims polled also believe either that they should have the choice of American or shariah courts, or that they should have their own tribunals to apply shariah.

Right, unlike the majority of Muslims. Sharia Law is a religious legal system in of itself.

On December 11 2015 13:27 Eskendereya wrote:


I wasn't aware of a Christian legal system equivalent to Sharia Law. The point is over half of Muslims want to implement Sharia Law in place of the legal system of whatever country they are in. Show me where over half of Christians or any other religious group wants to implement their own entire religious legal system.

On December 11 2015 13:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:


And some amount of Christians (including Marco Rubio) want to allow their religious beliefs to supercede the law of the land.

(also, again, I hope you actually read the poll to see the definitions of Sharia law given in it; hint: there are multiple, and I'm going to take Muslims' word for what it actually means over yours)

On December 11 2015 13:34 m4ini wrote:






Apart from those two being the exact same question, just stated twice for sensationalism, it's an online poll of 600 people.

Then there's the question, what are they actually asking for. Now i don't expect you to understand, but if you'd read the very PEW poll you linked, you'd understand that what they're actually asking for is something already implemented in the UK. We literally just had that discussion.



And again, unsurprisingly, you are wrong. Sharia is a guideline. It literally means "path" translated.

On December 11 2015 13:50 Eskendereya wrote:


OK, it's as if we're speaking two completely different languages. Please go and and re-read very, very carefully, including the links I provided. And you're wrong, you clearly have no idea what Sharia Law is. If you did, you'd know it's an actual religious legal system of law, not a 'guideline'. The PEW poll I linked was based on a face to face interview of 38,000 Muslims from 37 different countries, I don't know what you're talking about.

On December 11 2015 13:54 GreenHorizons wrote:


This is hilarious. You have xDaunt trying really hard to make a reasoned argument (although clearly xenophobic as hell) then you have Esky over here just making the laziest fox news driven propaganda argument exposing who Trump is really appealing to and why xDaunt is still in the camp that more or less agrees but knows one at least has to make the effort to cover it up in rhetoric if it is to have a remote chance and being accepted outside of the circles of bigots and xenophobes who take it at face value.