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Iran has stopped dismantling centrifuges in two uranium enrichment plants, state media reported on Tuesday, days after conservative lawmakers complained to President Hassan Rouhani that the process was too rushed.
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State television released a video on Oct. 14 showing the head of the IRGC's aerospace division inspecting an underground tunnel complex, purportedly 500 meters (1,600 feet) underground, filled with a variety of missiles on mobile launchers that the presenter said were ready to fire.
With the theme music from the historical epic Gladiator playing in the background, the video showed Brigadier Amir Ali Hajizadeh walking through the underground complex and addressing ranks of uniformed men wearing sunglasses.
The video was released just days after Iran tested a new precision-guided ballistic missile, the Emad, which will be the its first weapon able to accurately strike targets in its arch-enemy Israel.
Read more at Reutershttp://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/04/us-iran-military-idUSKCN0ST1M820151104#RjMlgKBSMDb8Z6k5.99
"We don't pore over resolutions; it is our duty to expand our power and nobody can give us orders," IRGC Deputy Commander Hossein Salami said in a televised interview on Oct. 25, responding to allegations that the Emad missile test two weeks earlier may have breached U.N. resolutions.
www.reuters.com
Color me surprised. Genuinely, at how long it took Iran to renege.
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Saber rattling at its finest. We will see if it is sufficient to blow up the deal or if they will back off. There is always going to be a section of that government that mouths off and says stupid shit. Frankly, as a democracy, you would think we would be used to it.
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On November 11 2015 05:18 BallinWitStalin wrote:
Yeah for the record every time I go see a doctor in Canada he's university trained, too.
And if I need "state of the art" care I generally get it. My daughter just got a precautionary MRI (they didn't think there was anything wrong but just wanted to "make sure" because they don't take risks with young kids) like a month ago. Just to reiterate, the neurologist my daughter saw, for free, thought she was probably fine but, just to make sure, ordered a fucking MRI, for free.
Did i mention that all of this precautionary, state-of-the art healthcare, provided by a "university educated" neurologist, was free (for me)?
Honestly I don't understand what you guys think healthcare in other countries is like. I have only had awesome, positive experiences.
I visit a dermatologist (for free) once every 6-12 months, get bloodwork done (for free) about as often, and regularly take medicine that costs about 1700$ a month (for free).
Praise Canada!
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I eat lots of candy, chocolate, pastries and ice cream.
Then go to the dentist and cry.
Praise America!
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Some economic matters are stunningly complex. Take the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The trade deal's details cover more than 6,000 pages.
Others are simple, like the federal minimum wage. A bill to raise the $7.25 hourly wage covers a few paragraphs.
The congressional response is simple, too: Democrats are for it; Republicans against.
Tonight, that political contrast will be highlighted by fast-food workers who plan to protest at the Republican presidential debate in Milwaukee. They want the federal minimum wage boosted to $15.
Spurred on by the Service Employees International Union, the Milwaukee demonstrators will wrap up a day of protests held around the country. Over the past three years, fast-food workers have held walkouts and rallies, directing their wage demands at employers. This time, much of the focus was on city halls and other political sites, such as the Republican debate.
"Candidates gearing up for the 2016 elections across the country should take note," Christine Owens, executive director of the National Employment Law Project, said in a statement supporting the "Fight for $15" protests.
Backers of a higher minimum wage say they are planning a yearlong push, intended to get 64 million low-wage workers engaged politically. In major cities, protesters held pre-printed signs saying: "We demand $15 and union rights."
In response to the protests, the Employment Policies Institute, backed by the restaurant industry, ran a full-page ad in the New York Post. The ad highlighted results from a survey, conducted for the group by the University of New Hampshire Survey Center, which showed that three-fourths of the surveyed economists say a $15 minimum wage would reduce the number of jobs available, particularly for younger and less experienced workers.
Congress last raised the federal minimum wage in 2009. Since then, 29 states, plus the District of Columbia, have approved minimums above $7.25. State laws have typically pushed up wages to between $8 and $9 an hour. But some cities have gone much further. For example, Seattle and San Francisco have put wages on track to hit $15 an hour.
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On November 11 2015 07:09 always_winter wrote:Show nested quote +Iran has stopped dismantling centrifuges in two uranium enrichment plants, state media reported on Tuesday, days after conservative lawmakers complained to President Hassan Rouhani that the process was too rushed. www.msn.comShow nested quote +
State television released a video on Oct. 14 showing the head of the IRGC's aerospace division inspecting an underground tunnel complex, purportedly 500 meters (1,600 feet) underground, filled with a variety of missiles on mobile launchers that the presenter said were ready to fire.
With the theme music from the historical epic Gladiator playing in the background, the video showed Brigadier Amir Ali Hajizadeh walking through the underground complex and addressing ranks of uniformed men wearing sunglasses.
The video was released just days after Iran tested a new precision-guided ballistic missile, the Emad, which will be the its first weapon able to accurately strike targets in its arch-enemy Israel.
Read more at Reutershttp://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/04/us-iran-military-idUSKCN0ST1M820151104#RjMlgKBSMDb8Z6k5.99
Show nested quote +"We don't pore over resolutions; it is our duty to expand our power and nobody can give us orders," IRGC Deputy Commander Hossein Salami said in a televised interview on Oct. 25, responding to allegations that the Emad missile test two weeks earlier may have breached U.N. resolutions. www.reuters.comColor me surprised. Genuinely, at how long it took Iran to renege.
You realize that if they do renege that'd be amazing for hawks like you. Previously Obama was stuck with sanctions that wouldn't stop Iran achieving a nuclear weapon in the near future and no international support for keeping them. Sanctions made toothless because, quite honestly, from my European perspective Iran seems pretty much in the right in this Iran USA feud. He brokered a deal that created an international coalition behind stopping Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon armed with far heavier sanctions that would actually have an impact.
What you want is Obama's deal to break down because Obama's deal wasn't just America shouting mean things at Iran, it was diplomacy. It involved other countries.
Think of it this way. America hates Iran but isn't willing to do a regime change. The rest of the world isn't interested in sanctions just because America says so, they'd much rather wait until Iran actually does something they give a shit about. American sanctions alone won't stop Iran building a nuke. This means Iran can get a nuke if it wants. However Obama created a deal where America ending the sanctions which weren't going to stop Iran getting a nuke anyway won him international support for the sanctions which would work and which would stop Iran getting a nuke. Additionally those kind of aggressive sanctions could quite possibly cause a lot of internal conflict within Iran. So, Iran was pretty much getting fucked in this deal, they're trading small sanctions which don't stop them for huge sanctions which will. The only way they could possibly exploit the deal would be to have the small sanctions ended, but then not do the thing that triggers the big sanctions. But that's when Obama uses his trap card. For you see the the thing that triggers the big sanctions is developing nuclear weapons and Iran not developing nuclear weapons is what he wanted all along. It's super sneaky.
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"The tax code is rigged for the rich" -Chris Christie.
That may end up the most honest thing said all debate.
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Media must use “StopHillary” Wi-Fi password at tonight’s Republican debate:
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I still dislike the poorly thought out $15 minimum wage movement. It really doens't account for nuance properly at all.
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On November 11 2015 10:02 zlefin wrote:
I still dislike the poorly thought out $15 minimum wage movement. It really doens't account for nuance properly at all.
Meaning what?
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That it's poorly though out? it doesn't vary based on cost of living by region, which is substantial (and, tends to be higher in democrat areas than republican areas).
Not enough effort is put into lowering costs, which is a major driver of the problem. Housing costs in particular could be lowered most likely with some changes.
And of course the best way to increase wages is to make people more worth employing, rather than an artificial minimum; more work should be done on improving people.
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Rising tide lifts all boats, so increased wages help us all. Minimum wage has not kept up with inflation and is comically low in major cities. And all these arguments were used that last time someone pushed for a big increase in the min-wage.
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That does not counter what I said at all plansix.
Minimum wage should be inflation indexed and adjust automatically, rather than requiring periodic and politicized jumps.
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Yes it should, but that isn't how politics work. I am talking about the political reality, not the theoretical and ethereal plan to improve people(which will also cost money). So I support the increase because I know it is a necessary step to increasing everyone's income.
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On November 11 2015 10:24 zlefin wrote:
That does not counter what I said at all plansix.
Minimum wage should be inflation indexed and adjust automatically, rather than requiring periodic and politicized jumps.
Businesses could just pay living wages and it we wouldn't need a minimum wage.
The big reason we have a minimum wage is because enough people realize corporations would accept chattel slaves as "workers" and defend it as being legally obligated to their shareholders to maximize profits/stay competitive if they could legally get away with it.
I'm in the camp that says "...It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country".
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On November 11 2015 10:24 zlefin wrote:
That does not counter what I said at all plansix.
Minimum wage should be inflation indexed and adjust automatically, rather than requiring periodic and politicized jumps.
Agreed that it should be indexed to inflation, but first there probably could be a simple jump. However, I absolutely disagree with a jump to $15 per hour.
I mean, if we wanted to match the highest real minimum wage in our history we'd put it somewhere around $10.60...I'm sure somewhere here has the number memorized and will correct me...but then throwing another 50% increase on top of that seems a little excessive.
Edit: Okay, so people want a "living wage"...then why are we fighting for a national $15.00/hr minimum wage?
Using: http://livingwage.mit.edu/ as a source, I can't find a single state with a living wage at $15.00, most of them seem to be in the $9-$12 range. Hell, even the states that I would of guess of having close to $15.00 living wages (California, NY, MA, etc.) come in around the $12.50 - $13.00 range.
Edit2: Ok, I did find one close to $15 being DC.
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Carson talks about the benefits of reducing wages...
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On November 11 2015 10:38 Chewbacca. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2015 10:24 zlefin wrote:
That does not counter what I said at all plansix.
Minimum wage should be inflation indexed and adjust automatically, rather than requiring periodic and politicized jumps. Agreed that it should be indexed to inflation, but first there probably could be a simple jump. However, I absolutely disagree with a jump to $15 per hour. I mean, if we wanted to match the highest real minimum wage in our history we'd put it somewhere around $10.60...I'm sure somewhere here has the number memorized and will correct me...but then throwing another 50% increase on top of that seems a little excessive. Edit: Okay, so people want a "living wage"...then why are we fighting for a national $15.00/hr minimum wage? Using: http://livingwage.mit.edu/ as a source, I can't find a single state with a living wage at $15.00, most of them seem to be in the $9-$12 range. Hell, even the states that I would of guess of having close to $15.00 living wages (California, NY, MA, etc.) come in around the $12.50 - $13.00 range. Edit2: Ok, I did find one close to $15 being DC.
And for a single parent?
Not to mention you all are aware of how bargaining works right?
As pointed out the other side is coming from the position of ending the minimum wage or stagnating/cutting it.
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On November 11 2015 11:10 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2015 10:38 Chewbacca. wrote:On November 11 2015 10:24 zlefin wrote:
That does not counter what I said at all plansix.
Minimum wage should be inflation indexed and adjust automatically, rather than requiring periodic and politicized jumps. Agreed that it should be indexed to inflation, but first there probably could be a simple jump. However, I absolutely disagree with a jump to $15 per hour. I mean, if we wanted to match the highest real minimum wage in our history we'd put it somewhere around $10.60...I'm sure somewhere here has the number memorized and will correct me...but then throwing another 50% increase on top of that seems a little excessive. Edit: Okay, so people want a "living wage"...then why are we fighting for a national $15.00/hr minimum wage? Using: http://livingwage.mit.edu/ as a source, I can't find a single state with a living wage at $15.00, most of them seem to be in the $9-$12 range. Hell, even the states that I would of guess of having close to $15.00 living wages (California, NY, MA, etc.) come in around the $12.50 - $13.00 range. Edit2: Ok, I did find one close to $15 being DC. And for a single parent? Not to mention you all are aware of how bargaining works right?
I was under the impression that a living wage was a wage designed to support a single person...not a family.
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