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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45286 Posts
November 11 2015 02:20 GMT
#50061
On November 11 2015 10:21 Plansix wrote:
Rising tide lifts all boats, so increased wages help us all. Minimum wage has not kept up with inflation and is comically low in major cities. And all these arguments were used that last time someone pushed for a big increase in the min-wage.


Guaranteed Minimum Income >>>>>>> Increased Minimum Wage >>> Current Minimum Wage.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4908 Posts
November 11 2015 02:21 GMT
#50062
On November 11 2015 11:18 xDaunt wrote:
It's good to see moderators who actually know what their fucking job is (and isn't).


Yeah, they got the message.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23656 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-11 02:24:18
November 11 2015 02:22 GMT
#50063
On November 11 2015 11:12 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2015 11:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 11 2015 10:38 Chewbacca. wrote:
On November 11 2015 10:24 zlefin wrote:
That does not counter what I said at all plansix.
Minimum wage should be inflation indexed and adjust automatically, rather than requiring periodic and politicized jumps.

Agreed that it should be indexed to inflation, but first there probably could be a simple jump. However, I absolutely disagree with a jump to $15 per hour.

I mean, if we wanted to match the highest real minimum wage in our history we'd put it somewhere around $10.60...I'm sure somewhere here has the number memorized and will correct me...but then throwing another 50% increase on top of that seems a little excessive.

Edit: Okay, so people want a "living wage"...then why are we fighting for a national $15.00/hr minimum wage?

Using: http://livingwage.mit.edu/ as a source, I can't find a single state with a living wage at $15.00, most of them seem to be in the $9-$12 range. Hell, even the states that I would of guess of having close to $15.00 living wages (California, NY, MA, etc.) come in around the $12.50 - $13.00 range.

Edit2: Ok, I did find one close to $15 being DC.


And for a single parent?

Not to mention you all are aware of how bargaining works right?

I was under the impression that a living wage was a wage designed to support a single person...not a family.


Nope

by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.



That includes progeny.

In reality it also probably meant a wife who didn't work. Propaganda has done a pretty good job convincing people it was for burger-flipping teenagers though.

On November 11 2015 11:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2015 10:21 Plansix wrote:
Rising tide lifts all boats, so increased wages help us all. Minimum wage has not kept up with inflation and is comically low in major cities. And all these arguments were used that last time someone pushed for a big increase in the min-wage.


Guaranteed Minimum Income >>>>>>> Increased Minimum Wage >>> Current Minimum Wage.



Considering how the healthcare debate went I'd say might as well go for the guaranteed income They've already made it clear they are going to fight people working trying to get a living wage might as well go for the gusto.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 11 2015 02:23 GMT
#50064
Jeb Bush complaining about regulations... His brother issued more Regs in his first 3 years that Obama did.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-11 02:26:28
November 11 2015 02:26 GMT
#50065
Rand sounds like he has a wad of chew in his cheek.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-11 02:27:34
November 11 2015 02:27 GMT
#50066
What a fucking bullshit question. The average CEO doesn't earn even close to 300x the average employees salary...that would mean the average employee only makes a little over $800 a year.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23656 Posts
November 11 2015 02:27 GMT
#50067
Ok watching Rand in HD I can't help but ask: Does anyone think the hair on top of his head is actually growing out of it?

It's not a knock on him being bald (who cares?) it's just a very petty thing to lie about in my opinion, so I just can't help but wonder what else he isn't being honest about.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 11 2015 02:36 GMT
#50068
Trump just owned Kasich.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-11 02:36:49
November 11 2015 02:36 GMT
#50069
Kasich just came out for legalization.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23656 Posts
November 11 2015 02:36 GMT
#50070
On November 11 2015 11:36 xDaunt wrote:
Trump just owned Kasich.


Not sure the crowd agrees.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-11 02:37:45
November 11 2015 02:37 GMT
#50071
1: Is what Trump said true?
2: Isn't 1 million still ten times less than 10 million?
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
November 11 2015 02:38 GMT
#50072
On November 11 2015 11:37 acker wrote:
1: Is what Trump said true about Eisenhower?
2: Isn't 1 million still ten times less than 10 million?

Very observant. If anyone brings that up he will just throw out that we should be able to improve and we have more advanced technology or something along those lines.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4908 Posts
November 11 2015 02:38 GMT
#50073
On November 11 2015 11:37 acker wrote:
1: Is what Trump said true?
2: Isn't 1 million still ten times less than 10 million?


If memory serves, it's this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
November 11 2015 02:41 GMT
#50074
Yeah, but that particular project failed.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4908 Posts
November 11 2015 02:43 GMT
#50075
On November 11 2015 11:41 acker wrote:
Yeah, but that particular project failed.


And Trump would say that's because we didn't have a wall!

The point was it was actually possible to move that many people. Keeping them in their home country? Harder.

But to answer the question, that's what he was referring to.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 11 2015 02:43 GMT
#50076
Cruz is a smart mofo. Great immigration answer.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
November 11 2015 02:49 GMT
#50077
Yawn, tired of them hitting the old talking points and spreading the same ol' hate.
Also the same ol' nonsense about plans as if any of them can actually get their plans done; I want to hear more about what people would do as president, not what they'd do if they were dictators.
Of course I tend to hate on everything so pretty much as expected.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-11 02:59:21
November 11 2015 02:57 GMT
#50078
Is Ted Cruz suggesting taxing international profits for companies?

Only 700 Billion jesus.

Oh God Rick Perry moment.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
November 11 2015 02:59 GMT
#50079
Cruz should really be barred from all public office; such nonsense. like any tax collection system can work if there's noone to collect those taxes.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
November 11 2015 02:59 GMT
#50080
He repeated "Department of Commerce" twice, I think.
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