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On May 14 2013 14:25 Jaaaaasper wrote:Show nested quote +If American citizens dying due to carelessness is a molehill I guess...downplay more It would be if it hadn't happened several times during the bush administration, or if part of (if not the whole) reason that there was inadequate protection at the embassy was due to the gop cutting the budget for such matters.
I won't deny the incompetence from that administration either, personally I think both were/(are) absolute garbage.
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IRS targets conservative groups for intrusive questionnaires, delaying their applications for tax exempt status, and it's downplayed. Let's see the furor if the same IRS targeted liberal and progressive groups during the Bush years and kept the allegations secret for a year. The feds wiretap AP offices and reporters, but it's not that big of a deal. Must've been some low level guys. No story here. Besides, it was only a handful of offices, maybe only three.
In a sweeping and unusual move, the Justice Department secretly obtained two months’ worth of telephone records of journalists working for the Associated Press as part of a year-long investigation into the disclosure of classified information about a failed al-Qaeda plot last year.
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Let's just say "mistakes were made" and get back to the issues!
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/opinion/borger-obama-benghazi-truth/index.html?hpt=hp_t4
Pretty crazy bengazi story by cnn of all places.
And, as Kessler also points out, the internal Accountability Review Board, in its investigation, tiptoed around the delicate matter: The U.S. Special Mission in Benghazi, it said, "was never a consulate and never formally notified to the Libyan government." In other words, this was a hit on a CIA outpost, resulting in the death of an ambassador who happened to be there at the time.
All in all its a pretty nice take on a story thats only relevant because of the spin put on it initially and the spin put on it to make it a story.
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On May 14 2013 14:29 Danglars wrote:IRS targets conservative groups for intrusive questionnaires, delaying their applications for tax exempt status, and it's downplayed. Let's see the furor if the same IRS targeted liberal and progressive groups during the Bush years and kept the allegations secret for a year. The feds wiretap AP offices and reporters, but it's not that big of a deal. Must've been some low level guys. No story here. Besides, it was only a handful of offices, maybe only three. Show nested quote +
In a sweeping and unusual move, the Justice Department secretly obtained two months’ worth of telephone records of journalists working for the Associated Press as part of a year-long investigation into the disclosure of classified information about a failed al-Qaeda plot last year.
wapoLet's just say "mistakes were made" and get back to the issues!
Why exactly is it wrong for the IRS to be "targeting" tea party groups? The IRS is not charging them more taxes than they rightfully owe. They're just checking to make sure the correct amount of tax is paid.
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On May 14 2013 20:11 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 14:29 Danglars wrote:IRS targets conservative groups for intrusive questionnaires, delaying their applications for tax exempt status, and it's downplayed. Let's see the furor if the same IRS targeted liberal and progressive groups during the Bush years and kept the allegations secret for a year. The feds wiretap AP offices and reporters, but it's not that big of a deal. Must've been some low level guys. No story here. Besides, it was only a handful of offices, maybe only three.
In a sweeping and unusual move, the Justice Department secretly obtained two months’ worth of telephone records of journalists working for the Associated Press as part of a year-long investigation into the disclosure of classified information about a failed al-Qaeda plot last year.
wapoLet's just say "mistakes were made" and get back to the issues! Why exactly is it wrong for the IRS to be "targeting" tea party groups? The IRS is not charging them more taxes than they rightfully owe. They're just checking to make sure the correct amount of tax is paid.
Are you serious?
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On May 14 2013 14:56 Sermokala wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/opinion/borger-obama-benghazi-truth/index.html?hpt=hp_t4Pretty crazy bengazi story by cnn of all places. Show nested quote +And, as Kessler also points out, the internal Accountability Review Board, in its investigation, tiptoed around the delicate matter: The U.S. Special Mission in Benghazi, it said, "was never a consulate and never formally notified to the Libyan government." In other words, this was a hit on a CIA outpost, resulting in the death of an ambassador who happened to be there at the time. All in all its a pretty nice take on a story thats only relevant because of the spin put on it initially and the spin put on it to make it a story.
what's crazy about it?
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On May 14 2013 20:39 coverpunch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 20:11 paralleluniverse wrote:On May 14 2013 14:29 Danglars wrote:IRS targets conservative groups for intrusive questionnaires, delaying their applications for tax exempt status, and it's downplayed. Let's see the furor if the same IRS targeted liberal and progressive groups during the Bush years and kept the allegations secret for a year. The feds wiretap AP offices and reporters, but it's not that big of a deal. Must've been some low level guys. No story here. Besides, it was only a handful of offices, maybe only three.
In a sweeping and unusual move, the Justice Department secretly obtained two months’ worth of telephone records of journalists working for the Associated Press as part of a year-long investigation into the disclosure of classified information about a failed al-Qaeda plot last year.
wapoLet's just say "mistakes were made" and get back to the issues! Why exactly is it wrong for the IRS to be "targeting" tea party groups? The IRS is not charging them more taxes than they rightfully owe. They're just checking to make sure the correct amount of tax is paid. Are you serious?
OK. I had a closer look at what the IRS was asking.
Many of these questions are ridiculous: http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/weirdest-irs-questions-tea-party-views-donors-etymology-123547841.html
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On May 14 2013 14:56 Sermokala wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/opinion/borger-obama-benghazi-truth/index.html?hpt=hp_t4Pretty crazy bengazi story by cnn of all places. Show nested quote +And, as Kessler also points out, the internal Accountability Review Board, in its investigation, tiptoed around the delicate matter: The U.S. Special Mission in Benghazi, it said, "was never a consulate and never formally notified to the Libyan government." In other words, this was a hit on a CIA outpost, resulting in the death of an ambassador who happened to be there at the time. All in all its a pretty nice take on a story thats only relevant because of the spin put on it initially and the spin put on it to make it a story.
Sean Smith, a man who died in that attack, was not CIA. We know this because he spent most of his time playing EVE Online with a bunch of guys from something awful, laughing on jabber with them, acting as their alliance chief diplomat and generally being a cool bro. This whole CIA thing was an absurd fantasy in the mind of Glenn Beck, the guy was one of our own. It'd be akin to claiming that I was CIA.
http://themittani.com/media/glenn-beck-goonswarm-cia-front
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On May 14 2013 23:09 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 14:56 Sermokala wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/opinion/borger-obama-benghazi-truth/index.html?hpt=hp_t4Pretty crazy bengazi story by cnn of all places. And, as Kessler also points out, the internal Accountability Review Board, in its investigation, tiptoed around the delicate matter: The U.S. Special Mission in Benghazi, it said, "was never a consulate and never formally notified to the Libyan government." In other words, this was a hit on a CIA outpost, resulting in the death of an ambassador who happened to be there at the time. All in all its a pretty nice take on a story thats only relevant because of the spin put on it initially and the spin put on it to make it a story. Sean Smith, a man who died in that attack, was not CIA. We know this because he spent most of his time playing EVE Online with a bunch of guys from something awful, laughing on jabber with them, acting as their alliance chief diplomat and generally being a cool bro. This whole CIA thing was an absurd fantasy in the mind of Glenn Beck, the guy was one of our own.
I thought that there was a CIA site near the consulate, and that was what got conflated by crazy people into thinking that GoonSwarm was some CIA OP?
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On May 14 2013 23:09 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 14:56 Sermokala wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/opinion/borger-obama-benghazi-truth/index.html?hpt=hp_t4Pretty crazy bengazi story by cnn of all places. And, as Kessler also points out, the internal Accountability Review Board, in its investigation, tiptoed around the delicate matter: The U.S. Special Mission in Benghazi, it said, "was never a consulate and never formally notified to the Libyan government." In other words, this was a hit on a CIA outpost, resulting in the death of an ambassador who happened to be there at the time. All in all its a pretty nice take on a story thats only relevant because of the spin put on it initially and the spin put on it to make it a story. Sean Smith, a man who died in that attack, was not CIA. We know this because he spent most of his time playing EVE Online with a bunch of guys from something awful, laughing on jabber with them, acting as their alliance chief diplomat and generally being a cool bro. This whole CIA thing was an absurd fantasy in the mind of Glenn Beck, the guy was one of our own. It'd be akin to claiming that I was CIA. http://themittani.com/media/glenn-beck-goonswarm-cia-front
Nobody ever said Sean Smith was CIA. But the official reports (which are linked in the WaPo article) say the State Department was using the facility as a temporary mission while it was normally occupied by an unnamed agency, which is government-speak for the CIA. As Kessler also points out, it explains why the administration might be very reluctant to discuss the context of Benghazi in detail, of what exactly was going on at the facility before the attack.
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On May 15 2013 00:01 coverpunch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 23:09 KwarK wrote:On May 14 2013 14:56 Sermokala wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/opinion/borger-obama-benghazi-truth/index.html?hpt=hp_t4Pretty crazy bengazi story by cnn of all places. And, as Kessler also points out, the internal Accountability Review Board, in its investigation, tiptoed around the delicate matter: The U.S. Special Mission in Benghazi, it said, "was never a consulate and never formally notified to the Libyan government." In other words, this was a hit on a CIA outpost, resulting in the death of an ambassador who happened to be there at the time. All in all its a pretty nice take on a story thats only relevant because of the spin put on it initially and the spin put on it to make it a story. Sean Smith, a man who died in that attack, was not CIA. We know this because he spent most of his time playing EVE Online with a bunch of guys from something awful, laughing on jabber with them, acting as their alliance chief diplomat and generally being a cool bro. This whole CIA thing was an absurd fantasy in the mind of Glenn Beck, the guy was one of our own. It'd be akin to claiming that I was CIA. http://themittani.com/media/glenn-beck-goonswarm-cia-front Nobody ever said Sean Smith was CIA. But the official reports (which are linked in the WaPo article) say the State Department was using the facility as a temporary mission while it was normally occupied by an unnamed agency, which is government-speak for the CIA. As Kessler also points out, it explains why the administration might be very reluctant to discuss the context of Benghazi in detail, of what exactly was going on at the facility before the attack.
Glenn Beck stated that both Sean Smith and the goonswarm eve alliance were part of the CIA. That when Sean wrote to his friends in goonswarm leadership about his day he was really updating them on his situation because they're all CIA and eve online is how they communicate. Either this is one of the more absurd cases of a stopped clock being right twice a day or, and much more likely, Beck's insanity has shaped the narrative and people who know how stupid the narrative is aren't being heard.
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Yeah was kwark said is why its crazy. CNN writer basicaly supporting a crazy rant by glenn beck.
To be fair kwark you'd make a good MI7.
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On May 15 2013 00:24 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 00:01 coverpunch wrote:On May 14 2013 23:09 KwarK wrote:On May 14 2013 14:56 Sermokala wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/opinion/borger-obama-benghazi-truth/index.html?hpt=hp_t4Pretty crazy bengazi story by cnn of all places. And, as Kessler also points out, the internal Accountability Review Board, in its investigation, tiptoed around the delicate matter: The U.S. Special Mission in Benghazi, it said, "was never a consulate and never formally notified to the Libyan government." In other words, this was a hit on a CIA outpost, resulting in the death of an ambassador who happened to be there at the time. All in all its a pretty nice take on a story thats only relevant because of the spin put on it initially and the spin put on it to make it a story. Sean Smith, a man who died in that attack, was not CIA. We know this because he spent most of his time playing EVE Online with a bunch of guys from something awful, laughing on jabber with them, acting as their alliance chief diplomat and generally being a cool bro. This whole CIA thing was an absurd fantasy in the mind of Glenn Beck, the guy was one of our own. It'd be akin to claiming that I was CIA. http://themittani.com/media/glenn-beck-goonswarm-cia-front Nobody ever said Sean Smith was CIA. But the official reports (which are linked in the WaPo article) say the State Department was using the facility as a temporary mission while it was normally occupied by an unnamed agency, which is government-speak for the CIA. As Kessler also points out, it explains why the administration might be very reluctant to discuss the context of Benghazi in detail, of what exactly was going on at the facility before the attack. Glenn Beck stated that both Sean Smith and the goonswarm eve alliance were part of the CIA. That when Sean wrote to his friends in goonswarm leadership about his day he was really updating them on his situation because they're all CIA and eve online is how they communicate. Either this is one of the more absurd cases of a stopped clock being right twice a day or, and much more likely, Beck's insanity has shaped the narrative and people who know how stupid the narrative is aren't being heard.
Glenn Beck is an idiot and we shouldn't be citing him one way or the other, really.
edit: Here's a link to the report that was produced by the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs: http://www.collins.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/81d5e2d9-cc8d-45af-aa8b-b937c55c7208/Flashing Red-HSGAC Special Report final.pdf
Near the beginning it states:
The attacks in Benghazi occurred at two different locations: a Department of State “Temporary Mission Facility ” and an Annex facility (“Annex”) approximately a mile away used by another agency of the United States Government.
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On May 15 2013 00:35 Sermokala wrote:
Yeah was kwark said is why its crazy. CNN writer basicaly supporting a crazy rant by glenn beck.
To be fair kwark you'd make a good MI7.
i must admit i don't know who glenn beck is, but what you quoted doesn't sound crazy, it sounds possible.
edit:
the wiki page looks a bit shaky to say the least...
A second assault in the early morning the next day targeted a nearby CIA annex in a different diplomatic compound.
Assault on the CIA annex
Just after midnight, an attack on the CIA annex began, which included machine gun, rocket and mortar fire attack.
right now i think the most probable explanation is that it was some sort of attack on a cia facility.
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On May 15 2013 00:44 nunez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 00:35 Sermokala wrote:
Yeah was kwark said is why its crazy. CNN writer basicaly supporting a crazy rant by glenn beck.
To be fair kwark you'd make a good MI7. i must admit i don't know who glenn beck is, but what you quoted doesn't sound crazy, it sounds possible.
Then clearly you don't know GoonSwarm.
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On May 15 2013 00:44 nunez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 00:35 Sermokala wrote:
Yeah was kwark said is why its crazy. CNN writer basicaly supporting a crazy rant by glenn beck.
To be fair kwark you'd make a good MI7. i must admit i don't know who glenn beck is, but what you quoted doesn't sound crazy, it sounds possible.
Imagine the guy who can make all of a america single handedly deserve the stereotype of being a crazy conspiratorial with. Now give this guy a television show on the most watched news network. Now add batmadasfuck that makes the joker someone you'd leave your kids with.
You now know glenn beck.
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On May 15 2013 00:53 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 00:44 nunez wrote:On May 15 2013 00:35 Sermokala wrote:
Yeah was kwark said is why its crazy. CNN writer basicaly supporting a crazy rant by glenn beck.
To be fair kwark you'd make a good MI7. i must admit i don't know who glenn beck is, but what you quoted doesn't sound crazy, it sounds possible. Imagine the guy who can make all of a america single handedly deserve the stereotype of being a crazy conspiratorial with. Now give this guy a television show on the most watched news network. Now add batmadasfuck that makes the joker someone you'd leave your kids with. You now know glenn beck.
yes, i get the jist of it, and i have no reason to doubt it, but i don't see how it factors in.
edit: if i am to speculate on what happened i mean...
edit: but i realize now why you called it crazy... kind of annoying that the nutty muddy the waters, when there are important questions that should be raised.
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Immediately after the incident Beck went on a rant about how the only reason someone would be talking about his day with online people he'd never met but who he played a mmorpg with is if he and they were all CIA and he was trying to get a message to them. That is the root of the CIA aspect of this story. Basically Glenn Beck doesn't understand social gaming, is a moron and should be ridiculed. It's comparable to suggesting that ESPORTS are a front for smuggling white boys into Korea. At first it doesn't make sense, then, as you consider it more deeply, it makes less sense.
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WASHINGTON -- Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) raised the stakes of her quest to find out why a single Wall Street bank has not been prosecuted in the aftermath of the financial crisis Tuesday, sending a letter to the heads of three federal agencies.
Warren, a member of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing & Urban Affairs asked Attorney General Eric Holder, current Securities and Exchange Commission Chairwoman Mary Jo White and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke whether they had done any cost-benefit research into prosecuting a bank versus settling with one, which is equivalent to a slap on the wrist for a profitable financial institution.
"Have you conducted any internal research or analysis on trade-offs to the public between settling an enforcement action without admission of guilt and going forward with litigation as necessary to obtain such admission and, if so, can you provide that analysis to my office?" Warren said in the letter.
On Feb. 14, Warren came to her first banking committee hearing and asked federal agencies tasked with bank regulation a related, straightforward question: When was the last time you took a Wall Street bank to trial?
"We do not have to bring people to trial," said Thomas Curry, the head of the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the independent bank regulator within the Treasury Department.
Warren then put the question to Elisse Walter, the former SEC chairwoman. Her response: "I will have to get back to you with specific information."
"There are district attorneys and United States attorneys out there every day squeezing ordinary citizens on sometimes very thin grounds and taking them to trial in order to make an example, as they put it. I'm really concerned that 'too big to fail' has become 'too big for trial,'" Warren said.
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On May 15 2013 01:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +WASHINGTON -- Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) raised the stakes of her quest to find out why a single Wall Street bank has not been prosecuted in the aftermath of the financial crisis Tuesday, sending a letter to the heads of three federal agencies.
Warren, a member of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing & Urban Affairs asked Attorney General Eric Holder, current Securities and Exchange Commission Chairwoman Mary Jo White and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke whether they had done any cost-benefit research into prosecuting a bank versus settling with one, which is equivalent to a slap on the wrist for a profitable financial institution.
"Have you conducted any internal research or analysis on trade-offs to the public between settling an enforcement action without admission of guilt and going forward with litigation as necessary to obtain such admission and, if so, can you provide that analysis to my office?" Warren said in the letter.
On Feb. 14, Warren came to her first banking committee hearing and asked federal agencies tasked with bank regulation a related, straightforward question: When was the last time you took a Wall Street bank to trial?
"We do not have to bring people to trial," said Thomas Curry, the head of the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the independent bank regulator within the Treasury Department.
Warren then put the question to Elisse Walter, the former SEC chairwoman. Her response: "I will have to get back to you with specific information."
"There are district attorneys and United States attorneys out there every day squeezing ordinary citizens on sometimes very thin grounds and taking them to trial in order to make an example, as they put it. I'm really concerned that 'too big to fail' has become 'too big for trial,'" Warren said. Source
If only there were more people with some power asking questions following the crisis.
Tobad she will just get shoved away if she actual gets difficult. Questions need to be asked and answers need to be giving to the public.
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