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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 07 2015 19:04 GMT
#45441
On September 08 2015 03:39 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 03:13 cLutZ wrote:
On September 08 2015 03:07 Yoav wrote:
On September 07 2015 18:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 07 2015 13:48 Doraemon wrote:
did palin really say "speak american"? :S and these people have support?


I don't think anyone is surprised at the stuff she says anymore lol


No one is shocked when Trump/Palin say stupid/racist/misogynistic stuff anymore, just as Hillary Clinton's never-ending scandals no longer fail to shock us. We get it; Trump is an asshole, and Clinton is corrupt. Inshallah they don't win their respective primaries so we get to vote for someone who is neither.

Personally I'm hoping for Kasich v. Sanders. That would be a legitimately cool debate.

No debate with Kasich could be legitimately cool. His only response to substantive questions is an appeal to God.


In the 1st debate he seemed less....genuine? Or at least as hardcore about religion then some of the others.

Only on issues that are immediately relevant like gay marriage. On policies like war or economic issues he doesn't have real reasons for positions, just " God told me".

I can see why left of center people would push for him, because I'm the case of a Republican victory he would be the least effective and least motivated to change anything Obama has done. It's basically like Republicans telling Democrats that Joe Manchin or Charlie Christ sound like interesting candidates.
Freeeeeeedom
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
September 07 2015 19:12 GMT
#45442
On September 08 2015 03:07 Yoav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2015 18:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 07 2015 13:48 Doraemon wrote:
did palin really say "speak american"? :S and these people have support?


I don't think anyone is surprised at the stuff she says anymore lol

just as Hillary Clinton's never-ending scandals no longer fail to shock us. We get it; Trump is an asshole, and Clinton is corrupt.

What does Clinton's e-mail "scandal" have to do with being corrupt? When was she found to be guilty of that?
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 07 2015 19:41 GMT
#45443
America, by far, has the highest incarceration rate among developed nations. The rate of imprisonment in the U.S. has more than quadrupled in the last 40 years, fueled by "three strikes" and mandatory-minimum sentencing laws.

Studies show that prisoners who get access to education behind bars are far less likely to return to prison, are are more likely to land a job once they're released.

But few of America's crowded prisons have higher education programs that reach inmates face-to-face.

One exception is San Quentin State Prison on the eastern edge of the San Francisco Bay in Marin County, Calif. While the prison has a nasty national reputation, the fact is that some inmates want to get transferred to San Quentin to access its university, with volunteer teachers from top schools.

In a small trailer on the edge of San Quentin's main yard, volunteer teachers Lexi Fenton and Aaqilah Islam want to hear from the student-inmates about their final papers, and what they got out of the child psychology course as the semester wraps up.

"I can use episodes from my life to place myself in each one of the stages Erikson spoke of," one inmate responds. "The primary one being, the one I'm trying to write my paper on, is the first stage of trust [that] infants experience."

"Let's talk a little bit more about family structure," Fenton tells the class.

Another inmate chimes in. The course, he says, helped illuminate what "helped lead a lot of us down a path toward prison ... Without those needs being met as I wrote in my paper, it can stunt their growth."

The class is part of the Prison University Project (or PUP), the only onsite degree-granting program in California's sprawling penal system, the nation's second largest.

Today there's a waiting list to enroll.


Source
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46020 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-07 21:10:33
September 07 2015 21:09 GMT
#45444


Holy shit this is an insanely specific, simple question. The answer is No, plain and simple. No elaboration is required. Just "No". The Constitution is the law of the land- of the USA. Not the Bible. Period. Amen. End of discussion.

Literally the 1st Amendment.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
September 07 2015 21:16 GMT
#45445
Most of my friends and I think Ben Carson is such an extremely smart man that he is probably just abusing the fuck out of religion to explain his platform so that he can clinch the nomination
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46020 Posts
September 07 2015 21:19 GMT
#45446
On September 08 2015 06:16 Chocolate wrote:
Most of my friends and I think Ben Carson is such an extremely smart man that he is probably just abusing the fuck out of religion to explain his platform so that he can clinch the nomination


I guess that explains why he's a Creationist and he thinks the Bible is on equal footing with our Constitution in this country, but what about his non-religious dumb ideas? Like how marijuana is a gateway drug, or that a flat tax is the best economic plan to put forth?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
September 07 2015 21:21 GMT
#45447
Marijuana is a gateway drug. I don't think that's a bad thing and probably not even a causative thing (correlated because someone willing to do crack is probably willing to use marijuana as well) but it's true.

He's a proponent of a flat tax probably so that rich people donate money to him.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22412 Posts
September 07 2015 21:34 GMT
#45448
On September 08 2015 06:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyszoO0ubrA

Holy shit this is an insanely specific, simple question. The answer is No, plain and simple. No elaboration is required. Just "No". The Constitution is the law of the land- of the USA. Not the Bible. Period. Amen. End of discussion.

Literally the 1st Amendment.

Because he is a good neurosurgeon and a mediocre/bad everything else?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24014 Posts
September 07 2015 21:56 GMT
#45449
On September 08 2015 06:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyszoO0ubrA

Holy shit this is an insanely specific, simple question. The answer is No, plain and simple. No elaboration is required. Just "No". The Constitution is the law of the land- of the USA. Not the Bible. Period. Amen. End of discussion.

Literally the 1st Amendment.


The majority of his supporters want to make Christianity the "official religion of the US" so he's just representing his supporters (kind of weakly).

lol @Cannabis being a "gateway drug"
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46020 Posts
September 07 2015 22:11 GMT
#45450
On September 08 2015 06:21 Chocolate wrote:
Marijuana is a gateway drug. I don't think that's a bad thing and probably not even a causative thing (correlated because someone willing to do crack is probably willing to use marijuana as well) but it's true.

He's a proponent of a flat tax probably so that rich people donate money to him.


I thought that being a gateway drug actually implied a rather causal relationship (If one smokes marijuana, then one is more likely to partake in other, harder drugs), rather than a mere correlation.

Either way, can you please cite a source that defends your statement that "Marijuana is a gateway drug"?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44046 Posts
September 07 2015 22:38 GMT
#45451
On September 08 2015 06:21 Chocolate wrote:
Marijuana is a gateway drug. I don't think that's a bad thing and probably not even a causative thing (correlated because someone willing to do crack is probably willing to use marijuana as well) but it's true.

He's a proponent of a flat tax probably so that rich people donate money to him.

Gateway drugs as a concept are pretty meaningless at this point. You might as well argue that air consumption will inevitably lead to water consumption.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 07 2015 23:13 GMT
#45452
Don't forget that watching TV leads to masturbating to porn which will lead to blindness and AIDS.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46020 Posts
September 07 2015 23:33 GMT
#45453
On September 08 2015 08:13 ticklishmusic wrote:
Don't forget that watching TV leads to masturbating to porn which will lead to blindness and AIDS.


Source for blindness please.

+ Show Spoiler +
The rest is obvious.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-08 00:20:08
September 07 2015 23:52 GMT
#45454
On September 08 2015 06:21 Chocolate wrote:
Marijuana is a gateway drug. I don't think that's a bad thing and probably not even a causative thing (correlated because someone willing to do crack is probably willing to use marijuana as well) but it's true.

He's a proponent of a flat tax probably so that rich people donate money to him.


What? So because someone who does harder drugs is willing to use Marijuana, Marijuana is the gateway drug? That's literally reversed.

The absolute closest you'd get to showing Marijuana is a gateway drug would be through the connections people have to make (their dealers) to get it. Said connections would likely have access to harder drugs, thus creating the gateway.

Connections they would not have to get if Marijuana wasn't illegal, I'll add.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14140 Posts
September 08 2015 00:55 GMT
#45455
On September 08 2015 08:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 08:13 ticklishmusic wrote:
Don't forget that watching TV leads to masturbating to porn which will lead to blindness and AIDS.


Source for blindness please.

+ Show Spoiler +
The rest is obvious.

Personally I blame the rap music.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 08 2015 01:10 GMT
#45456
On September 08 2015 09:55 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 08:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 08 2015 08:13 ticklishmusic wrote:
Don't forget that watching TV leads to masturbating to porn which will lead to blindness and AIDS.


Source for blindness please.

+ Show Spoiler +
The rest is obvious.

Personally I blame the rap music.

Are you sure its not video game tropes?
Freeeeeeedom
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14140 Posts
September 08 2015 01:55 GMT
#45457
On September 08 2015 10:10 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 09:55 Sermokala wrote:
On September 08 2015 08:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 08 2015 08:13 ticklishmusic wrote:
Don't forget that watching TV leads to masturbating to porn which will lead to blindness and AIDS.


Source for blindness please.

+ Show Spoiler +
The rest is obvious.

Personally I blame the rap music.

Are you sure its not video game tropes?

No really its about video game journalistic standards.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
September 08 2015 02:15 GMT
#45458
Yeah I agree marijuana isn't a gateway drug in the true sense of the word, but I didn't know that calling it a gateway drug meant the relationship had to be causative.

I'm not going to give you a source because I don't care enough to do so but don't play dumb and act like most crack smokers haven't used cannabis in some form at some point in their lives.
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
September 08 2015 02:24 GMT
#45459
I have absolutely no idea if some study has already done this, but a relatively straightforward way to test that hypothesis would be to check if countries/states whose cannabis use has gone up due to legalization/discriminalization (someplace where legalization affected only cannabis, so no Portugual) have their cocaine/heroin use also go up when compared to similar countries/states with no such legal change (all this within a reasonable time frame).
Bora Pain minha porra!
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24014 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-08 02:36:02
September 08 2015 02:35 GMT
#45460
On September 08 2015 11:15 Chocolate wrote:
Yeah I agree marijuana isn't a gateway drug in the true sense of the word, but I didn't know that calling it a gateway drug meant the relationship had to be causative.

I'm not going to give you a source because I don't care enough to do so but don't play dumb and act like most crack smokers haven't used cannabis in some form at some point in their lives.


I'd bet cannabis came after tobacco, alcohol, or prescription pills. Crack is so 80's too... It's not like people go from sober to smoking crack, so it would naturally follow that they would be likely to have used another substance in proportion to the popularity of the substance.

The point is the "gateway drug" issue is little more than ignorant and empty rhetoric.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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