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jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
September 08 2015 02:36 GMT
#45461
On September 08 2015 04:12 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 03:07 Yoav wrote:
On September 07 2015 18:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 07 2015 13:48 Doraemon wrote:
did palin really say "speak american"? :S and these people have support?


I don't think anyone is surprised at the stuff she says anymore lol

just as Hillary Clinton's never-ending scandals no longer fail to shock us. We get it; Trump is an asshole, and Clinton is corrupt.

What does Clinton's e-mail "scandal" have to do with being corrupt? When was she found to be guilty of that?


Not sure if this is a serious question or just a trolling...
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 08 2015 03:01 GMT
#45462
On September 08 2015 11:36 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 04:12 kwizach wrote:
On September 08 2015 03:07 Yoav wrote:
On September 07 2015 18:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 07 2015 13:48 Doraemon wrote:
did palin really say "speak american"? :S and these people have support?


I don't think anyone is surprised at the stuff she says anymore lol

just as Hillary Clinton's never-ending scandals no longer fail to shock us. We get it; Trump is an asshole, and Clinton is corrupt.

What does Clinton's e-mail "scandal" have to do with being corrupt? When was she found to be guilty of that?


Not sure if this is a serious question or just a trolling...

Corrupt requires you to be charged and convicted with a crime of some sort. Or have something beyond an investigation conducted almost entirely by the opposing party that turned up nothing criminal. Twice.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 08 2015 03:10 GMT
#45463
On September 08 2015 10:55 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 10:10 cLutZ wrote:
On September 08 2015 09:55 Sermokala wrote:
On September 08 2015 08:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 08 2015 08:13 ticklishmusic wrote:
Don't forget that watching TV leads to masturbating to porn which will lead to blindness and AIDS.


Source for blindness please.

+ Show Spoiler +
The rest is obvious.

Personally I blame the rap music.

Are you sure its not video game tropes?

No really its about video game journalistic standards.

So sad you had to kill the meme.
Freeeeeeedom
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46279 Posts
September 08 2015 03:10 GMT
#45464
On September 08 2015 11:15 Chocolate wrote:
Yeah I agree marijuana isn't a gateway drug in the true sense of the word, but I didn't know that calling it a gateway drug meant the relationship had to be causative.

I'm not going to give you a source because I don't care enough to do so but don't play dumb and act like most crack smokers haven't used cannabis in some form at some point in their lives.


Except that's completely and utterly different than pot being a gateway drug to harder drugs, so don't call it something it's not.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 08 2015 03:19 GMT
#45465
I'm sure all crack smokers have had pizza at some point too. Not really relevant to why the smoke crack, much like pot or booze
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46279 Posts
September 08 2015 03:25 GMT
#45466
Dude, everyone knows that pizza is a gateway food.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
September 08 2015 03:51 GMT
#45467
On September 08 2015 12:01 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 11:36 jellyjello wrote:
On September 08 2015 04:12 kwizach wrote:
On September 08 2015 03:07 Yoav wrote:
On September 07 2015 18:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 07 2015 13:48 Doraemon wrote:
did palin really say "speak american"? :S and these people have support?


I don't think anyone is surprised at the stuff she says anymore lol

just as Hillary Clinton's never-ending scandals no longer fail to shock us. We get it; Trump is an asshole, and Clinton is corrupt.

What does Clinton's e-mail "scandal" have to do with being corrupt? When was she found to be guilty of that?


Not sure if this is a serious question or just a trolling...

Corrupt requires you to be charged and convicted with a crime of some sort. Or have something beyond an investigation conducted almost entirely by the opposing party that turned up nothing criminal. Twice.


There are different senses of the word "corrupt" you know.You don't have to be convicted of "corruption" to be corrupt.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 08 2015 04:16 GMT
#45468
On September 08 2015 12:01 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 11:36 jellyjello wrote:
On September 08 2015 04:12 kwizach wrote:
On September 08 2015 03:07 Yoav wrote:
On September 07 2015 18:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 07 2015 13:48 Doraemon wrote:
did palin really say "speak american"? :S and these people have support?


I don't think anyone is surprised at the stuff she says anymore lol

just as Hillary Clinton's never-ending scandals no longer fail to shock us. We get it; Trump is an asshole, and Clinton is corrupt.

What does Clinton's e-mail "scandal" have to do with being corrupt? When was she found to be guilty of that?


Not sure if this is a serious question or just a trolling...

Corrupt requires you to be charged and convicted with a crime of some sort. Or have something beyond an investigation conducted almost entirely by the opposing party that turned up nothing criminal. Twice.


Unfortunately, the court of public opinion is the only one that really matters. See Supreme Court v. Kim Davies.
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jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
September 08 2015 04:58 GMT
#45469
On September 08 2015 12:01 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 11:36 jellyjello wrote:
On September 08 2015 04:12 kwizach wrote:
On September 08 2015 03:07 Yoav wrote:
On September 07 2015 18:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 07 2015 13:48 Doraemon wrote:
did palin really say "speak american"? :S and these people have support?


I don't think anyone is surprised at the stuff she says anymore lol

just as Hillary Clinton's never-ending scandals no longer fail to shock us. We get it; Trump is an asshole, and Clinton is corrupt.

What does Clinton's e-mail "scandal" have to do with being corrupt? When was she found to be guilty of that?


Not sure if this is a serious question or just a trolling...

Corrupt requires you to be charged and convicted with a crime of some sort. Or have something beyond an investigation conducted almost entirely by the opposing party that turned up nothing criminal. Twice.


LOL, again, not sure if serious or trolling. Either way, it made me laugh.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14187 Posts
September 08 2015 06:05 GMT
#45470
On September 08 2015 13:58 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 12:01 Plansix wrote:
On September 08 2015 11:36 jellyjello wrote:
On September 08 2015 04:12 kwizach wrote:
On September 08 2015 03:07 Yoav wrote:
On September 07 2015 18:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 07 2015 13:48 Doraemon wrote:
did palin really say "speak american"? :S and these people have support?


I don't think anyone is surprised at the stuff she says anymore lol

just as Hillary Clinton's never-ending scandals no longer fail to shock us. We get it; Trump is an asshole, and Clinton is corrupt.

What does Clinton's e-mail "scandal" have to do with being corrupt? When was she found to be guilty of that?


Not sure if this is a serious question or just a trolling...

Corrupt requires you to be charged and convicted with a crime of some sort. Or have something beyond an investigation conducted almost entirely by the opposing party that turned up nothing criminal. Twice.


LOL, again, not sure if serious or trolling. Either way, it made me laugh.

You mind sharing with the group on why you think Hillary is corrupt? Or really any more then the average replacement politician.
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
September 08 2015 06:28 GMT
#45471
I think he is talking about how she trumpets the oxymoronic gospel of "inclusive capitalism" while selling herself for corporatist influence, and how she feigns a progressive populism while being firmly entrenched in dealings by and for the 1%.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
September 08 2015 14:19 GMT
#45472
On September 08 2015 08:52 killa_robot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 06:21 Chocolate wrote:
Marijuana is a gateway drug. I don't think that's a bad thing and probably not even a causative thing (correlated because someone willing to do crack is probably willing to use marijuana as well) but it's true.

He's a proponent of a flat tax probably so that rich people donate money to him.


What? So because someone who does harder drugs is willing to use Marijuana, Marijuana is the gateway drug? That's literally reversed.

The absolute closest you'd get to showing Marijuana is a gateway drug would be through the connections people have to make (their dealers) to get it. Said connections would likely have access to harder drugs, thus creating the gateway.

Connections they would not have to get if Marijuana wasn't illegal, I'll add.


Yep, the idea that marijuana is a gateway drug is because of this right here, and it's not without merit. When its illegal, you have to go to criminals if you want to buy it, and they're going to try to get you hooked on something more intense than marijuana unless they are a friend, and that's not always the case. There are people who aren't satisfied, who need something a little bit stronger than the last time, every time, and I think those people will probably always end up at the hard stuff, whether they started with marijuana or not. Then there are the people who got into it from their shady ass dealer, and they might have been put in that situation because they wanted marijuana, but does that make it a gateway drug?

Regardless, I feel like this problem becomes nonexistent with legalization, because dispensaries do not sell hardcore drugs. The leap from, "I like to smoke weed" to "I want to shoot heroin" is not one that most smokers will make. At least not a high enough percentage to call it a gateway drug.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 08 2015 16:52 GMT
#45473
Number of senators supporting the Iran deal is up to 41, might pick up an extra couple. It's fillibuster proof now.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 08 2015 17:36 GMT
#45474
Something has changed for John Boehner.

Figures in his close-knit circle of allies are starting to privately wonder whether he can survive an all-but-certain floor vote this fall to remain speaker of the House. And, for the first time, many top aides and lawmakers in the House do not believe he will run for another term as House leader in 2017.

The Boehner era might be coming to an end, they say.

“That’s a personal decision he has to make. I don’t know why he would want to, personally,” said Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (R-Ga.), when asked whether Boehner would run again. "But I do think that he feels, in his heart of hearts, he feels like he’s doing what’s best for this country — regardless of what the political consequences are. That says something about somebody."

As Congress returns Tuesday for what could be one of the most challenging stretches of his nearly five years as speaker, POLITICO interviewed more than a dozen lawmakers and aides in direct contact with Boehner. Uniformly they sympathized with his plight: Caught between an intractable right flank and a Democratic president, they say he's managed to get a remarkable amount done. But they also questioned Boehner's viability in the near- and long-term — most of them spoke privately to protect their relationship with him — as the 65-year-old speaker approaches a quarter-century of service in the House.

Boehner spent most of the summer recess crisscrossing the country on behalf of Republican lawmakers, appearing at 50 political events in more than a dozen states. But the speaker and his aides also spent time over the August break quietly touching base with scores of GOP colleagues across the spectrum — which could serve to shore up his standing ahead of a potential coup attempt by conservatives.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 08 2015 18:27 GMT
#45475
On September 08 2015 15:28 IgnE wrote:
I think he is talking about how she trumpets the oxymoronic gospel of "inclusive capitalism" while selling herself for corporatist influence, and how she feigns a progressive populism while being firmly entrenched in dealings by and for the 1%.

Color me surprised that you're seeing this. Maybe she won't be nominated or elected after all.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
September 08 2015 18:54 GMT
#45476
That statement is entirely consistent with igne's previous comments. Perhaps you need a finer brush with which to paint your opposition
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 08 2015 19:28 GMT
#45477
Federal funding for Planned Parenthood will clearly be a flashpoint when Congress returns this week from its summer break.

But the fate of many other health programs, from the National Institutes of Health to efforts to reduce teen pregnancy, hang in the balance as well, as lawmakers decide whether and how to fund the government after the current fiscal year expires Sept. 30.

The Planned Parenthood fight could figure prominently in the coming legislative negotiation. Many GOP lawmakers, led by those running for president, have spent the summer pummeling the group for alleged mishandling of fetal tissue for research. They have vowed not to vote for any spending bill that allows federal funding for the organization, even if that means closing down the rest of the federal government. And that is despite the assertion last week from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., that there aren't enough votes to approve defunding, given a likely veto from President Barack Obama.

But Planned Parenthood is not the only GOP health target. The House Appropriations Committee earlier this summer approved a proposed spending bill for the Department of Health and Human Services that would eliminate all funding for the Title X federal family planning program, which mainly funds state and local health departments but also provides some of the federal funds Planned Parenthood receives. The House bill also zeroed out the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, which conducts and funds research on how health care is delivered and paid for. And while most of the Affordable Care Act can't be fully defunded through the annual appropriations process, the bill also rescinded or transferred funds for the law's implementation that it does control.

Dozens of other health programs were set for cuts as well. And a companion Senate spending bill, also approved at the committee level, included substantial, if not quite as large, cuts to many health programs, including those aimed at preventing teen pregnancy.

The reasons for the proposed cuts go beyond ideology. Automatic reductions in both defense and domestic spending that were triggered by a 2011 budget deal, known as the sequester, are driving total available spending down, in some cases by billions of dollars. And a bipartisan two-year deal to restore some of the cuts has now expired.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
September 08 2015 19:39 GMT
#45478
Incompetent noobs don't know how to balance a budget or act appropriately. We need a process which does a better job of selecting people.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 08 2015 19:41 GMT
#45479
On September 09 2015 03:54 farvacola wrote:
That statement is entirely consistent with igne's previous comments. Perhaps you need a finer brush with which to paint your opposition

It gets tough after a while. European-style democratic socialism is the uniting aspect, but below the surface the camps are diverse. Bernie or Clinton? Do you support the latest Democrat career politician because of belief, or simply hate them a little bet less than the GOP? Is the Republican side obstructionist or idea-less or are they all bad ideas, and do you think compromise is possible, impossible, or both (see: all bad ideas + compromise crowd)? How quickly do you dismiss ideas you disagree with as unviable: immediately, one sentence, a paragraph of worn phrases, an argued paragraph+ post?

You see supporters shake off Benghazi and chant no big deal on the head of foreign policy keeping her sensitive emails in a bathroom in Colorado. Her poll numbers are still pretty high. Forgive me if I overlook the divisions in the disillusioned. The eternal appeal of big government that uses its power for social justice and areligious technological advancement wears you down.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
September 08 2015 19:55 GMT
#45480
On September 09 2015 04:41 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2015 03:54 farvacola wrote:
That statement is entirely consistent with igne's previous comments. Perhaps you need a finer brush with which to paint your opposition

It gets tough after a while. European-style democratic socialism is the uniting aspect

I'm pretty sure that's where you start to be wrong about Igne (or I if that matters). Freaking commie, I swear.
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