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farvacola
United States18839 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23482 Posts
On July 22 2015 05:24 farvacola wrote: You're narrowing the field too early. Time favors the more substantial candidates so dudes like Kasich and Walker, whom I both despise, will have more time to give their platforms some character that is simply not there with individuals like Trump, Fiorina, or Huckabee. The field in 6 months will look quite different. Possibly, it will be interesting to see the rating difference between the main debate and the kids table one that people like Kasich, Fiorina, and others will be at. I don't think the people supporting Trump are going to be swayed away by anything other than a catastrophic screw up (The John McCain thing isn't even close) or Cruz going full Trump rhetorically. The rest of them will run out of money fast. People haven't been paying too much attention but the most fiscally conservatively run campaign out of anyone is Bernie's ___That moment you realize the Democratic Socialist is being the most conservative with other people's money. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Citibank will be required to pay $700 million to 8.8 million customers for illegal credit card practices, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau said Tuesday. Between 2002 and 2013, Citibank sold its credit card customers add-on services that deceptively promised to add payment flexibility by deferring or canceling payments during hard times, and to protect against fraud and identity theft. According to the CFPB order, Citi misrepresented the costs of these products, which came under names like "AccountCare" and "PrivacyGuard," as well as what they actually did. Some consumers weren't aware they were signing up for the products when they applied for a Citi credit card, or signed up as a result of leading questions. In other cases, the bureau said, Citi simply failed to provide the fraud and personal information protection it said it was offering, because it signed ineligible customers up for the products without informing them that they weren't eligible for it. Citi also charged some customers $14.95 to make a same-day credit card payment without informing them of other payment options. The bank said in a statement that it "previously discontinued sales of the products included in the agreements, which include credit monitoring and debt protection products and wallet protection services, and no longer charges expedited pay-by-phone fees." Customer eligible for refunds will automatically receive account credit or checks, Citi said. Source | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 22 2015 05:37 farvacola wrote: You need to look a bit closer. Specifically at things like education reform and budget initiatives generally. "Gets shit done" and "fucks shit up" can look quite similar. Dunno, from what I've read he's a wizard (which is the only sketch part). Cut taxes... and reduced the deficit, built a rainy day fund and created tons of job. Also expanded Medicare spending and funding for schools. | ||
KwarK
United States43251 Posts
If you take 10 pilots and they all go on a mission knowing there is a 1/10 chance they will be captured, tortured, held for a while and then released and they will be helpless throughout this entire thing then I'd maybe make the argument that the one it ends up happening to is no more heroic than the other 9, they all actively took on the same risk to serve the United States, the only difference is that one of them got unlucky. What he chose to do is no more noble than anyone else and what he suffered was statistically suffered by all. But that argument relies upon the idea that upon capture the pilot loses all agency, it just doesn't apply. Basically you'd have to be a moron to hate on John McCain's service. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23482 Posts
On July 22 2015 06:22 Danglars wrote: Donated money becomes his money, his campaigns money. I know it sounds wild, but other people's money is forcing others to hand it over through taxation, fees, and penalties. Socialists are famously bad at spending it. If they ever get thrown out of power, that's generally a major culprit. lol. So if campaigns were publicly financed whose money would it be then? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45060 Posts
Admit It: You People Want To See How Far This Goes, Don’t You? The latest polls are out, and just as I predicted, I’m leading the Republican presidential race by a wide margin. You might be wondering how that could be. After all, it’s hardly been a month since I entered the field and I’ve already alienated America’s largest immigrant population, seen dozens of my high-profile business deals implode one after the other, and publicly insulted a national hero’s military service, all while not offering a single viable policy idea. But none of that matters at all, and my candidacy continues to surge forward, because none of you—not a single one of you—can look away. Not even for a second. Admit it: You people want to see just how far this goes, don’t you? My campaign’s just barely begun and I’ve already got you begging for more. Sure, you can say you oppose me or that you don’t even take me seriously. But let me ask you: How many articles have you read about Ted Cruz lately? How many news segments have you watched on Bobby Jindal? Or Rand Paul? But if those stories have the name “Donald Trump” in them, well, look who suddenly can’t get enough. The thing is, I’ve got all of you eating out of my hand and I haven’t even released a single campaign commercial yet. Don’t look me in the eye and tell me you don’t want to stick around and see what that looks like, because you and I both know these ads are going to be absolutely incredible. I’ll be standing there projecting my best presidential air, saying “I’m Donald Trump, and I approve this message,” and you won’t be able to take your eyes off it. You keep obsessing over every little thing I do and say, and I promise you’ll get your commercials real soon. I can tell you’re practically salivating right now. And I’m going to keep riding this fascination, this little fixation you have with me as far as you’ll take me. You know I will. And the TV spots are just the beginning. I know you, and I know what you like. You’ll absolutely eat it up when you see the “Trump ’16” T-shirts, the lawn signs, the bumper stickers; in fact, you’ll probably get a real kick out of pointing them out to your friends. Now, just imagine me shaking hands with senior citizens at a nursing home in Iowa. Wouldn’t you love to watch that? Or hear what comes out of my mouth when I speak to blue-collar workers at a struggling auto factory? You say that doesn’t interest you? Oh, right, because you’re dying to see how Scott Walker behaves in those situations, right? Give me a break. Just take a moment and imagine the primary debates: Jeb Bush; Chris Christie; me. Of course, they’ll put me in the middle because I’m ahead in the polls—far ahead at the moment. You already know how I answer even the most basic inquiries, so just picture me staring down the barrel of a question about foreign affairs or agriculture policy or something like that. You think you won’t sit there with bated breath while I try to tackle a question about using military force, or about food stamps, or about how my faith influences my decision-making? I guarantee you that my answers will be worth watching. And we both know you wouldn’t miss them for the world. It’d be the biggest, most-watched primary debate in history, courtesy of all of you. And might I remind you that the longer this goes on, the closer I get to selecting a running mate. That realization kind of delighted you in a way, didn’t it? You absolutely want to know who I’d pick. A defeated GOP challenger who hates my guts? Another lunatic billionaire? Maybe my own son, Donald Trump Jr.? Whatever your wildest expectation is, I promise you I will surpass it. You’re not going to pass up an opportunity to see that, are you? I can tell you’re practically salivating right now. And I’m going to keep riding this fascination, this little fixation you have with me as far as you’ll take me. You know I will. So don’t try to tell me you’d be just as happy to watch one of these other bozos go toe-to-toe with Hillary Clinton or give a soaring speech at the national convention. And don’t delude yourself into thinking it’s everyone else who wants to watch me do this and you’re somehow above it. You want to see it. You want more. You hear “Trump” and your attention snaps to the TV screen right away. Don’t think it’s true? Fine. You know what you have to do to make me go away. Just quit paying attention. Stop reading this right now. That’s right, I didn’t think so. I have the power to make the next 16 months one of the most incredible times in our nation’s history, and not a single one of you can say you’re not at least a little bit curious to see how this wild ride shakes out. So just keep clicking every link that mentions my name and hitting play on every clip of my public appearances, and I promise you will not be disappointed. Now, excuse me, but I have to go appear at a New Hampshire town hall and make a statement that every last one of you will be eagerly reading about and discussing in just a few hours’ time. ~ http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/admit-it-you-people-want-see-how-far-goes-dont-you-50895 Relevant: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FWdPhbP.png) | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On July 22 2015 07:01 KwarK wrote: I read a history of McCain's service in Vietnam today and I don't know how anyone can even begin to think it's fine to hate on that. The idea that he just got captured and was somehow helpless and had no control over his own destiny from that moment until his release is simply inaccurate. He wasn't stuck with a one way ticket of bad things happening to him until he reached the end and got his medals, which, in a somewhat twisted way, is what Trump was implying. McCain actively chose to make shit harder, to endure more torture, to stay longer, all to protect American interests while in captivity. If you take 10 pilots and they all go on a mission knowing there is a 1/10 chance they will be captured, tortured, held for a while and then released and they will be helpless throughout this entire thing then I'd maybe make the argument that the one it ends up happening to is no more heroic than the other 9, they all actively took on the same risk to serve the United States, the only difference is that one of them got unlucky. What he chose to do is no more noble than anyone else and what he suffered was statistically suffered by all. But that argument relies upon the idea that upon capture the pilot loses all agency, it just doesn't apply. Basically you'd have to be a moron to hate on John McCain's service. Trump is a moron. But someone once described Trump as the GOP's reckoning - what he's saying isn't necessarily anything new, he's just being very blunt and undiplomatic about it. The birth certificate? Trump was definitely not the only Republican calling Obama an alien (which is funny because the Republican McCain had been born in Panama) The slam on Mexicans? The GOP's been hating on minorities for decades The attack on McCain? Wouldn't be the first time a Republican attacked McCain or a Vietnam vet with a low political blow. Bush Jr. won the Republican nomination in 2000 by implying that McCain's adopted daughter was an interracial lovechild. 4 years later his campaign swift-boated Kerry, another Vietnam vet. Trump is an embarrassment for the GOP not because he's crazy and saying things that no-one agrees with, he's a huge problem for the GOP because he's airing all the dirty laundry and showing the world the GOP's true colors. He's saying exactly what the GOP leadership had been trying to hide all these years. So maybe he's not a joke candidate - maybe he is the quintessential GOP candidate, full steam ahead wearing his heart on his sleeve. Maybe he'll start talking about "legitimate rape" and how the body shuts it down next. Ladies and gentlemen, Donald Trump is the GOP of today. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
He is the pig without lipstick. He is the candidate we deserve, not the candidate we need. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On July 22 2015 10:50 ticklishmusic wrote: He is the GOP's reckoning. He is the pig without lipstick. He is the candidate we deserve, not the candidate we need. "In the red states of America, the GOP delved too greedily and too deep. You know what they awakened in the darkness of "murica" | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23482 Posts
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Introvert
United States4862 Posts
Edit: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-the-worlds-greatest-troll/ | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23482 Posts
On July 22 2015 11:27 Introvert wrote: Trump, former Democrat and Hillary donor. Now the epitome of the Republican party. Please. You can continue asserting it, but that doesn't make it true. The fascination has more to do with him, and less with his positions. Even the liberals in this thread can't get enough of Trump. Edit: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-the-worlds-greatest-troll/ Not all of the party, just a significant portion. You can deny it if you want, but it makes you look foolish. Just curious how long he has to stay in the top three before Republicans admit he's legitimately representing the views of a significant chunk of the party? 1 month, 2, 4, 8? | ||
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Introvert
United States4862 Posts
On July 22 2015 11:37 GreenHorizons wrote: Not all of the party, just a significant portion. You can deny it if you want, but it makes you look foolish. Just curious how long he has to stay in the top three before Republicans admit he's legitimately representing the views of a significant chunk of the party? 1 month, 2, 4, 8? What's foolish is ignoring the obvious explanation for the one you have manufactured, because it fits what you already believe. Trump doesn't even do well among the Tea Party (the "far right"). The appeal is him, and these articles point out as much. He even has high unpopularity ratings among Republicans. And of course the ending line. The absurdity where I'm supposed to give some sort of specific time frame to acknowledge your position. As if his views are the reason he's up in the polls in the first place. It's a complete non-starter. But I forgot, I'm debating the person who is convinced Sanders has a real shot and that Hillary is scared of him. lol. Every time you try to "analyze" people on the right, it ends up being wrong. This time is no different. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45060 Posts
On July 22 2015 03:07 Plansix wrote: Literally doxed another candidate on live TV. Might as well just told everyone which school Graham's grand kids went to and read their grades out loud. The man is a nightmare given form. We went through 8 years of people who had zero respect for government under Bush, I don't think the country going that route again. Honestly I'm like 50% laughing my ass off and 50% horrified at the level of unprofessionalism. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On July 22 2015 03:07 Plansix wrote: Literally doxed another candidate on live TV. Might as well just told everyone which school Graham's grand kids went to and read their grades out loud. The man is a nightmare given form. We went through 8 years of people who had zero respect for government under Bush, I don't think the country going that route again. Lindsey Graham? grandkids? well, I do declare | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23482 Posts
On July 22 2015 11:53 Introvert wrote: What's foolish is ignoring the obvious explanation for the one you have manufactured, because it fits what you already believe. Trump doesn't even do well among the Tea Party (the "far right"). The appeal is him, and these articles point out as much. He even has high unpopularity ratings among Republicans. And of course the ending line. The absurdity where I'm supposed to give some sort of specific time frame to acknowledge your position. As if his views are the reason he's up in the polls in the first place. It's a complete non-starter. But I forgot, I'm debating the person who is convinced Sanders has a real shot and that Hillary is scared of him. lol. Every time you try to "analyze" people on the right, it ends up being wrong. This time is no different. How do you suppose he drove those negative ratings down? So you're just going to stick with denial, that's cool. Meanwhile Sanders will be holding the largest online organizing meeting in history, but please go on lol. You can't give a time because you'll still be saying he doesn't represent the party if he wins the nomination. | ||
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Introvert
United States4862 Posts
On July 22 2015 12:02 GreenHorizons wrote: How do you suppose he drove those negative ratings down? So you're just going to stick with denial, that's cool. Meanwhile Sanders will be holding the largest online organizing meeting in history, but please go on lol. You can't give a time because you'll still be saying he doesn't represent the party if he wins the nomination. The data and the people who work on these things agree with me, so yeah. I'm going to say your baseless claim is BS until proven otherwise. | ||
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