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On June 12 2015 17:49 Danglars wrote:Speaking of Nader, he recently had some choice words on Hillary Clinton Show nested quote +Former Green Party presidential candidate Ralph Nader recently called her “a deep corporatist and a deep militarist.”
He said that when Mrs. Clinton served on the Senate Armed Services Committee, she “never met a weapons system she didn’t like.”
Mr. Nader also blamed Mrs. Clinton for “almost single-handedly” pushing President Obama into lending U.S. military support to depose Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi, which unleashed chaos in the country that spread throughout the region and helped the terrorist army that calls itself the Islamic State gain a foothold.
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Yep, that and if the TPP is postponed until 2016, a Clinton victory would be a monumental disaster! Just wish the GOP could provide a palatable alternative this time. 
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On June 13 2015 07:15 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:35 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 13 2015 06:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 13 2015 06:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 13 2015 05:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 13 2015 05:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 13 2015 04:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 13 2015 04:41 Liquid`Drone wrote:
that spokane naacp thing is pretty hilarious though.. if nothing else just for the rare opportunity to watch a carefully woven web of lies disintegrate in front of us.. I don't know if hilarious is the word I would use or that it's rare we celebrate someones self-destruction, or the web was so carefully woven but it is humorous while also sad and frustrating. Just seems pathetic to try to use it to score some fame (like the idiot in the picture) while using it to jab at trans-gender people, while also being mildly racist and ignoring privilege. For trans-phobic, racists, who struggle to find ways to express their bigotry (in a way that the public is more likely to accept), it is sort of a gold mine though. On June 13 2015 04:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 13 2015 04:14 GreenHorizons wrote:You ever come up with those policies/practices or was that all bullshit? smh... This is what passes as comedy on the right. If you want to embarrass someone for doing something stupid you don't have to insult a bunch of other people to do it (trans-genders). Allow me to show you. Reporter: Are you African American Rachel Dolezal: I don't understand the question + Show Spoiler +See, funny without being disrespectful to hundreds of thousands of people for no reason. I don't understand what about trans-gender people threatens people like Jonny so much? Did Caitlyn make these people question their sexuality or something? @GodfreyElfwick. He operates a parody account. SourceI will give credit for the creative racism though. Lol, why are you attacking me personally? I didn't insult Caitlyn, I didn't bring her up at all or any one else who is trans-gendered. Godfrey is hilarious in part because he makes outrageous statements that ... end up being real. It's Poe's law in action. He claims to be wrong skinned, which is outrageous, and here we have a local NAACP president claiming to be just that. NPR isn't even quite sure what to make of it: + Show Spoiler + I'm not personally attacking you, I called out the racism/trans-phobia and asked a question about why people like Godfrey and by extension people who propagate his bigotry are so intimidated by people like Caitlyn that they feel the need to do what they are doing. Godfrey is pathetic, thinking he is hilarious is just sad. Guessing that's a "yes (I Jonny was talking out of my ass)" on the policies and practices bit? Maybe you could hit us with your payroll understanding finally? My guess is you just keep trolling trying to get me banned. I'm not sure what you mean by the 'policies and practices' bit, or what you think I wrote that was racist or trans-phobic. The only thing I can think of is that you're on the side that trans-racial is real, and are upset that it's being mocked. Are you trans-racial yourself? And we were talking about HR before, not payroll, and I cited my sources at the start. HR is majority women and HR plays an important role in pay setting, recruitment, etc. It always was a valid, cited argument. Captain oblivious ftw. I don't buy for a second that you don't know what is racist and trans-phobic about your post. Yeah, absolutely nothing. on policy and practices. On June 11 2015 11:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 11 2015 11:01 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 11 2015 10:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 11 2015 10:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 11 2015 10:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
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So you didn't have any policy in mind? Surely if I was critical of them you would be able to recall one? Are you now telling me that you have zero criticisms of police in the US? No, I'm not. I'm asking what policies or criticisms you think would be 'errors' that liberals would/should admit to (in this hypothetical agreement)? Well you've been critical of police forces in liberal cities, so I would think that the liberals running those police forces would bear responsibility. I take it you object to that? No, they certainly share responsibility with the police forces themselves. Considering what has been the response from police unions and officers in contentious departments to criticisms about their practices I personally put more blame on the police themselves than one party or the other. The exception to that might be draconian drug laws they are forced to enforce despite many of them trying desperately to tell politicians it's a waste of their time and resources and financing their department through extorting citizens. I mostly blame politicians for that, doesn't really matter their party affiliation for me. If you're asking if I put all of the responsibility for bad policing on the politicians the answer is no, but that's also not limited to party. EDIT: So I'm still unclear on what 'errors' it is you think I/liberals would be admitting regarding the police? Which under this construction seems like a very curious and tangential place to even start? on payroll... I asked how you thought salaries were negotiated, not who works in HR. Dredging up two old discussions just to bait out an argument? Sad, but OK. On police: Liberals run the police force oppressing blacks yet you've been mainly criticizing conservatives on the topic. I was hoping at some point you'd look in the mirror and see your own bias, but that's apparently impossible. On salaries: The prospective employee, HR and the hiring manager are usually involved but it varies by organization. It doesn't really matter though since no matter who is involved my many, well sourced arguments still stand. You very well may be impressively blind to your own racism/trans-phobia but I still don't believe it. On police and HR: Liberals run the police like the ladies at HR are the ones choosing to pay women less. Your arguments were crap and still are. Sourcing irrelevant facts doesn't change the fallacy of your original points. The reason I bring them up is because they display a clear and consistent pattern by you. Once you realize your position is dumb and/or uninformed on the reality you just stop talking about it until the next thing you can troll with. Occasionally you mix in a legitimate post but that's become more and more rare. Project much? It's a fact that most urban areas are majority liberal and tend to elect liberal politicians. Liberals are clearly in charge there and I can't think of a reason why you'd disagree with that point outside of a right-wing conspiracy theory. As for the wage gap just ask Obama. His office pays women less than men and the reason he cites as to why that is fair (different work, different hours, different levels of education / experience) are the same reasons that explain away the wage gap more broadly. trlololol. Yeah I mean De Blasio clearly has control over his police force. It's not like they turned their back on him or intentionally slowed down their work or anything. I can't take you seriously at all anymore.
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On June 13 2015 09:26 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 13 2015 06:35 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 13 2015 06:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 13 2015 06:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 13 2015 05:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 13 2015 05:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 13 2015 04:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 13 2015 04:41 Liquid`Drone wrote:
that spokane naacp thing is pretty hilarious though.. if nothing else just for the rare opportunity to watch a carefully woven web of lies disintegrate in front of us.. I don't know if hilarious is the word I would use or that it's rare we celebrate someones self-destruction, or the web was so carefully woven but it is humorous while also sad and frustrating. Just seems pathetic to try to use it to score some fame (like the idiot in the picture) while using it to jab at trans-gender people, while also being mildly racist and ignoring privilege. For trans-phobic, racists, who struggle to find ways to express their bigotry (in a way that the public is more likely to accept), it is sort of a gold mine though. On June 13 2015 04:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 13 2015 04:14 GreenHorizons wrote:[quote] You ever come up with those policies/practices or was that all bullshit? smh... This is what passes as comedy on the right. If you want to embarrass someone for doing something stupid you don't have to insult a bunch of other people to do it (trans-genders). Allow me to show you. [quote] See, funny without being disrespectful to hundreds of thousands of people for no reason. I don't understand what about trans-gender people threatens people like Jonny so much? Did Caitlyn make these people question their sexuality or something? [quote] SourceI will give credit for the creative racism though. Lol, why are you attacking me personally? I didn't insult Caitlyn, I didn't bring her up at all or any one else who is trans-gendered. Godfrey is hilarious in part because he makes outrageous statements that ... end up being real. It's Poe's law in action. He claims to be wrong skinned, which is outrageous, and here we have a local NAACP president claiming to be just that. NPR isn't even quite sure what to make of it: + Show Spoiler + I'm not personally attacking you, I called out the racism/trans-phobia and asked a question about why people like Godfrey and by extension people who propagate his bigotry are so intimidated by people like Caitlyn that they feel the need to do what they are doing. Godfrey is pathetic, thinking he is hilarious is just sad. Guessing that's a "yes (I Jonny was talking out of my ass)" on the policies and practices bit? Maybe you could hit us with your payroll understanding finally? My guess is you just keep trolling trying to get me banned. I'm not sure what you mean by the 'policies and practices' bit, or what you think I wrote that was racist or trans-phobic. The only thing I can think of is that you're on the side that trans-racial is real, and are upset that it's being mocked. Are you trans-racial yourself? And we were talking about HR before, not payroll, and I cited my sources at the start. HR is majority women and HR plays an important role in pay setting, recruitment, etc. It always was a valid, cited argument. Captain oblivious ftw. I don't buy for a second that you don't know what is racist and trans-phobic about your post. Yeah, absolutely nothing. on policy and practices. On June 11 2015 11:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 11 2015 11:01 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 11 2015 10:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 11 2015 10:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
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Are you now telling me that you have zero criticisms of police in the US? No, I'm not. I'm asking what policies or criticisms you think would be 'errors' that liberals would/should admit to (in this hypothetical agreement)? Well you've been critical of police forces in liberal cities, so I would think that the liberals running those police forces would bear responsibility. I take it you object to that? No, they certainly share responsibility with the police forces themselves. Considering what has been the response from police unions and officers in contentious departments to criticisms about their practices I personally put more blame on the police themselves than one party or the other. The exception to that might be draconian drug laws they are forced to enforce despite many of them trying desperately to tell politicians it's a waste of their time and resources and financing their department through extorting citizens. I mostly blame politicians for that, doesn't really matter their party affiliation for me. If you're asking if I put all of the responsibility for bad policing on the politicians the answer is no, but that's also not limited to party. EDIT: So I'm still unclear on what 'errors' it is you think I/liberals would be admitting regarding the police? Which under this construction seems like a very curious and tangential place to even start? on payroll... I asked how you thought salaries were negotiated, not who works in HR. Dredging up two old discussions just to bait out an argument? Sad, but OK. On police: Liberals run the police force oppressing blacks yet you've been mainly criticizing conservatives on the topic. I was hoping at some point you'd look in the mirror and see your own bias, but that's apparently impossible. On salaries: The prospective employee, HR and the hiring manager are usually involved but it varies by organization. It doesn't really matter though since no matter who is involved my many, well sourced arguments still stand. You very well may be impressively blind to your own racism/trans-phobia but I still don't believe it. On police and HR: Liberals run the police like the ladies at HR are the ones choosing to pay women less. Your arguments were crap and still are. Sourcing irrelevant facts doesn't change the fallacy of your original points. The reason I bring them up is because they display a clear and consistent pattern by you. Once you realize your position is dumb and/or uninformed on the reality you just stop talking about it until the next thing you can troll with. Occasionally you mix in a legitimate post but that's become more and more rare. Project much? It's a fact that most urban areas are majority liberal and tend to elect liberal politicians. Liberals are clearly in charge there and I can't think of a reason why you'd disagree with that point outside of a right-wing conspiracy theory. As for the wage gap just ask Obama. His office pays women less than men and the reason he cites as to why that is fair (different work, different hours, different levels of education / experience) are the same reasons that explain away the wage gap more broadly. trlololol. Yeah I mean De Blasio clearly has control over his police force. It's not like they turned their back on him or intentionally slowed down their work or anything. I can't take you seriously at all anymore. Nice straw man
You keep using those words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean.
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On June 13 2015 02:50 xDaunt wrote:
What the hell is going on with this proposed trade agreement?
Democrats found very little to gain supporting it, with their core labor unions/blue collar demographic out to oppose. Some Republicans evidentally liked what they read in that closed-door room, together with corporatist desires, and maybe hopes that supporting an Obama initiative would gain political points in bipartisanship. I bet against spines in GOP congressmen, and I have a feeling the rhetoric on a do-nothing Congress's out to destroy the president stuck.
We can't read the stupid thing ffs.
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I'm somewhat against the fast-track authority. It seems unnecessary to me; better to just get it ready, then submit it to the senate like a normal treaty. I know it's being done to improve the odds of passage, I'd just rather follow standard procedure.
I also dislike debating it without knowing the contents in full.
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Not that I'm usually one to quote the Founding Fathers, but "Delay is preferable to error".
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fast track is necessary to prevent congressional bullshit riders
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On June 13 2015 04:02 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:52 Gorsameth wrote:On June 13 2015 03:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Spokane NAACP Leader's Race Becomes Subject Of Controversy Is the leader of Spokane's chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People black? That's the question that has roiled the community after a local television station reporter confronted Rachel Dolezal with accusations that she has been misrepresenting herself as being of mixed race, when she was really the daughter of two white parents. ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHQN5jFUYAAW1OT.jpg) ... Dolezal has become a prominent civil rights leader in the area. She initially came under scrutiny by KXLY-TV after a postal inspector concluded that hate mail left in the local NAACP's P.O. Box was never processed by the postal system. The postal inspector said that the hate mail had to have been placed in the box by someone with a key. Dolezal had a key, but she dismissed accusations that she had placed the mail in the box herself. #WrongSkin + Show Spoiler + Wait thats the same person in those pictures? WTF? Yes, the picture on the left is her currently and the one on the right is from her childhood. Currently she identifies as black. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/12/spokane-naacp-president-ethnicity-questions/71110110/
This person is confused.
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On June 14 2015 09:23 zlefin wrote:
I'm somewhat against the fast-track authority. It seems unnecessary to me; better to just get it ready, then submit it to the senate like a normal treaty. I know it's being done to improve the odds of passage, I'd just rather follow standard procedure.
I also dislike debating it without knowing the contents in full.
It's nice to know even the extreme partisan citizens can see reason once in a while. Be careful about desiring transparency though, it might have you cross sides in time.
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Not sure what you're talking about danglars, as I'm not that partisan. It's also not like "your" side is any better about transparency. Seeing as the whole notion of sides and parties isn't so good; and you don't seem to have a grasp of what my positions are.
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I can't put into words how weird it is to watch Paul Ryan argue for Obama's position against a bipartisan opposition to TPP (TPA).
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Dallas Police Chief: 'A Blessing' No Officers Hurt In Attack On HQ Updated at 3:00 p.m. ET Automatic gunfire from an armored van shattered the glass frontage at Dallas Police headquarters before the van sped away, leading police on a chase and standoff with the driver, who was killed by a SWAT unit sniper. + Show Spoiler +
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Yikes, and also bombs involved. At least they got him before he could do more damage.
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On June 15 2015 06:58 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +Dallas Police Chief: 'A Blessing' No Officers Hurt In Attack On HQ Updated at 3:00 p.m. ET Automatic gunfire from an armored van shattered the glass frontage at Dallas Police headquarters before the van sped away, leading police on a chase and standoff with the driver, who was killed by a SWAT unit sniper. + Show Spoiler + SourceYikes, and also bombs involved. At least they got him before he could do more damage.
EDIT: For what it's worth I don't think it was actually automatic gunfire, unless it was from the police with old M4's. The video's only show semi-automatic gunfire as far as I've seen. The groupings in the glass are also not reflective of automatic or burst fire.
Seeing how quickly the media moved on when they found out it was a white guy has been pretty comical. You would think this would be an opportunity to see the common thread of mentally unstable people who need help, but I doubt it.
When brown and black people do things like this it will be "a sign of a much larger issue in the ____ community" and when white guys do it, it will be a 'bad apple' or 'isolated incident'.
Rather than key in on comments like "Texas is a horrible place to live!!! Too much government control!!!" like they would if a black guy made a post saying "F**k pigs", they just chalk it up to some crazy guy and move on.
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On June 15 2015 07:51 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 06:58 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Dallas Police Chief: 'A Blessing' No Officers Hurt In Attack On HQ Updated at 3:00 p.m. ET Automatic gunfire from an armored van shattered the glass frontage at Dallas Police headquarters before the van sped away, leading police on a chase and standoff with the driver, who was killed by a SWAT unit sniper. + Show Spoiler +Yikes, and also bombs involved. At least they got him before he could do more damage. Seeing how quickly the media moved on when they found out it was a white guy has been pretty comical. You would think this would be an opportunity to see the common thread of mentally unstable people who need help, but I doubt it. When brown and black people do things like this it will be "a sign of a much larger issue in the ____ community" and when white guys do it, it will be a 'bad apple' or 'isolated incident'. Rather than key in on comments like "Texas is a horrible place to live!!! Too much government control!!!" like they would if a black guy made a post saying "F**k pigs", they just chalk it up to some crazy guy and move on.
Most times a black (or white, or brown, or yellow, or whatever) shoots someone it doesn't hit the national news. Hence you have stories about Balitmore's total monthly death toll.
This hit the news because it is an exceptional incident. A guy attacked a police HQ with guns and bombs.
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On June 15 2015 08:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 15 2015 06:58 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Dallas Police Chief: 'A Blessing' No Officers Hurt In Attack On HQ Updated at 3:00 p.m. ET Automatic gunfire from an armored van shattered the glass frontage at Dallas Police headquarters before the van sped away, leading police on a chase and standoff with the driver, who was killed by a SWAT unit sniper. + Show Spoiler +Yikes, and also bombs involved. At least they got him before he could do more damage. Seeing how quickly the media moved on when they found out it was a white guy has been pretty comical. You would think this would be an opportunity to see the common thread of mentally unstable people who need help, but I doubt it. When brown and black people do things like this it will be "a sign of a much larger issue in the ____ community" and when white guys do it, it will be a 'bad apple' or 'isolated incident'. Rather than key in on comments like "Texas is a horrible place to live!!! Too much government control!!!" like they would if a black guy made a post saying "F**k pigs", they just chalk it up to some crazy guy and move on. Most times a black (or white, or brown, or yellow, or whatever) shoots someone it doesn't hit the national news. Hence you have stories about Balitmore's total monthly death toll. This hit the news because it is an exceptional incident. A guy attacked a police HQ with guns and bombs.
There have been 3 major shootings in Texas recently, which one has been discussed as a deeper/cultural issue by outlets from the right?
This is a clear case of mental health issues, and considering the family said they tried to get him help but he was declared sane they were practically helpless. The police knew he was threatening to attack several targets including schools and churches, and that he had a history of domestic violence.
Yet he was still able to buy the armored van from what reports say was surplus police equipment (a funny irony) and obtain the weapons he needed.
The story is full of larger issues that need to be discussed but wont be.
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On June 15 2015 08:20 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 08:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 15 2015 07:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 15 2015 06:58 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Dallas Police Chief: 'A Blessing' No Officers Hurt In Attack On HQ Updated at 3:00 p.m. ET Automatic gunfire from an armored van shattered the glass frontage at Dallas Police headquarters before the van sped away, leading police on a chase and standoff with the driver, who was killed by a SWAT unit sniper. + Show Spoiler +Yikes, and also bombs involved. At least they got him before he could do more damage. Seeing how quickly the media moved on when they found out it was a white guy has been pretty comical. You would think this would be an opportunity to see the common thread of mentally unstable people who need help, but I doubt it. When brown and black people do things like this it will be "a sign of a much larger issue in the ____ community" and when white guys do it, it will be a 'bad apple' or 'isolated incident'. Rather than key in on comments like "Texas is a horrible place to live!!! Too much government control!!!" like they would if a black guy made a post saying "F**k pigs", they just chalk it up to some crazy guy and move on. Most times a black (or white, or brown, or yellow, or whatever) shoots someone it doesn't hit the national news. Hence you have stories about Balitmore's total monthly death toll. This hit the news because it is an exceptional incident. A guy attacked a police HQ with guns and bombs. There have been 3 major shootings in Texas recently, which one has been discussed as a deeper/cultural issue by outlets from the right? This is a clear case of mental health issues, and considering the family said they tried to get him help but he was declared sane they were practically helpless. The police knew he was threatening to attack several targets including schools and churches, and that he had a history of domestic violence. Yet he was still able to buy the armored van from what reports say was surplus police equipment (a funny irony) and obtain the weapons he needed. The story is full of larger issues that need to be discussed but wont be.
Mental health, domestic violence and access to weapons all get discussed.
Why no hashtag for whitelivsmatter?
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On June 15 2015 08:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 08:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 15 2015 08:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 15 2015 07:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 15 2015 06:58 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Dallas Police Chief: 'A Blessing' No Officers Hurt In Attack On HQ Updated at 3:00 p.m. ET Automatic gunfire from an armored van shattered the glass frontage at Dallas Police headquarters before the van sped away, leading police on a chase and standoff with the driver, who was killed by a SWAT unit sniper. + Show Spoiler +Yikes, and also bombs involved. At least they got him before he could do more damage. Seeing how quickly the media moved on when they found out it was a white guy has been pretty comical. You would think this would be an opportunity to see the common thread of mentally unstable people who need help, but I doubt it. When brown and black people do things like this it will be "a sign of a much larger issue in the ____ community" and when white guys do it, it will be a 'bad apple' or 'isolated incident'. Rather than key in on comments like "Texas is a horrible place to live!!! Too much government control!!!" like they would if a black guy made a post saying "F**k pigs", they just chalk it up to some crazy guy and move on. Most times a black (or white, or brown, or yellow, or whatever) shoots someone it doesn't hit the national news. Hence you have stories about Balitmore's total monthly death toll. This hit the news because it is an exceptional incident. A guy attacked a police HQ with guns and bombs. There have been 3 major shootings in Texas recently, which one has been discussed as a deeper/cultural issue by outlets from the right? This is a clear case of mental health issues, and considering the family said they tried to get him help but he was declared sane they were practically helpless. The police knew he was threatening to attack several targets including schools and churches, and that he had a history of domestic violence. Yet he was still able to buy the armored van from what reports say was surplus police equipment (a funny irony) and obtain the weapons he needed. The story is full of larger issues that need to be discussed but wont be. Mental health, domestic violence and access to weapons all get discussed. Why no hashtag for whitelivsmatter?
Of course "they get discussed", it's when, where, and at what depth that I'm talking about. Have you seen any pieces from right wing outlets talking about those deeper issues in relation to this and the larger social implications?
#JonnyMatters Feel better?
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On June 15 2015 09:57 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 08:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 15 2015 08:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 15 2015 08:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 15 2015 07:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 15 2015 06:58 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Dallas Police Chief: 'A Blessing' No Officers Hurt In Attack On HQ Updated at 3:00 p.m. ET Automatic gunfire from an armored van shattered the glass frontage at Dallas Police headquarters before the van sped away, leading police on a chase and standoff with the driver, who was killed by a SWAT unit sniper. + Show Spoiler +Yikes, and also bombs involved. At least they got him before he could do more damage. Seeing how quickly the media moved on when they found out it was a white guy has been pretty comical. You would think this would be an opportunity to see the common thread of mentally unstable people who need help, but I doubt it. When brown and black people do things like this it will be "a sign of a much larger issue in the ____ community" and when white guys do it, it will be a 'bad apple' or 'isolated incident'. Rather than key in on comments like "Texas is a horrible place to live!!! Too much government control!!!" like they would if a black guy made a post saying "F**k pigs", they just chalk it up to some crazy guy and move on. Most times a black (or white, or brown, or yellow, or whatever) shoots someone it doesn't hit the national news. Hence you have stories about Balitmore's total monthly death toll. This hit the news because it is an exceptional incident. A guy attacked a police HQ with guns and bombs. There have been 3 major shootings in Texas recently, which one has been discussed as a deeper/cultural issue by outlets from the right? This is a clear case of mental health issues, and considering the family said they tried to get him help but he was declared sane they were practically helpless. The police knew he was threatening to attack several targets including schools and churches, and that he had a history of domestic violence. Yet he was still able to buy the armored van from what reports say was surplus police equipment (a funny irony) and obtain the weapons he needed. The story is full of larger issues that need to be discussed but wont be. Mental health, domestic violence and access to weapons all get discussed. Why no hashtag for whitelivsmatter? Of course "they get discussed", it's when, where, and at what depth that I'm talking about. Have you seen any pieces from right wing outlets talking about those deeper issues in relation to this and the larger social implications? #JonnyMatters Feel better?
So you say mental health, domestic violence, access to weapons gets discussed.
1) Mental health: I mean sure but as GreenHorizons said, only white violent assailants are evaluated in this frame. For people of color, it's often viewed as a product of their upbringing/cultural background.
2) Domestic violence: lol the NFL and most major sports teams have wife beaters (both male and female) and I'm sure husband beaters, and they get less attention than DeflateGate and less penalties so nah. I'll give you a halfway on this point because I had to strawman it a bit.
3) Access to weapons: have you seen the last eight years? Gun sales doubled, open carry passed in so many places, yeah some places have become stricter on guns but in general it's been allowed to descend out of control.
idk the point of this post because Jonny will just find some ideological position that disagrees with it and we're back full circle. good luck in this thread GH
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On June 15 2015 10:16 YoureFired wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 09:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 15 2015 08:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 15 2015 08:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 15 2015 08:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 15 2015 07:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 15 2015 06:58 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Dallas Police Chief: 'A Blessing' No Officers Hurt In Attack On HQ Updated at 3:00 p.m. ET Automatic gunfire from an armored van shattered the glass frontage at Dallas Police headquarters before the van sped away, leading police on a chase and standoff with the driver, who was killed by a SWAT unit sniper. + Show Spoiler +Yikes, and also bombs involved. At least they got him before he could do more damage. Seeing how quickly the media moved on when they found out it was a white guy has been pretty comical. You would think this would be an opportunity to see the common thread of mentally unstable people who need help, but I doubt it. When brown and black people do things like this it will be "a sign of a much larger issue in the ____ community" and when white guys do it, it will be a 'bad apple' or 'isolated incident'. Rather than key in on comments like "Texas is a horrible place to live!!! Too much government control!!!" like they would if a black guy made a post saying "F**k pigs", they just chalk it up to some crazy guy and move on. Most times a black (or white, or brown, or yellow, or whatever) shoots someone it doesn't hit the national news. Hence you have stories about Balitmore's total monthly death toll. This hit the news because it is an exceptional incident. A guy attacked a police HQ with guns and bombs. There have been 3 major shootings in Texas recently, which one has been discussed as a deeper/cultural issue by outlets from the right? This is a clear case of mental health issues, and considering the family said they tried to get him help but he was declared sane they were practically helpless. The police knew he was threatening to attack several targets including schools and churches, and that he had a history of domestic violence. Yet he was still able to buy the armored van from what reports say was surplus police equipment (a funny irony) and obtain the weapons he needed. The story is full of larger issues that need to be discussed but wont be. Mental health, domestic violence and access to weapons all get discussed. Why no hashtag for whitelivsmatter? Of course "they get discussed", it's when, where, and at what depth that I'm talking about. Have you seen any pieces from right wing outlets talking about those deeper issues in relation to this and the larger social implications? #JonnyMatters Feel better? So you say mental health, domestic violence, access to weapons gets discussed. 1) Mental health: I mean sure but as GreenHorizons said, only white violent assailants are evaluated in this frame. For people of color, it's often viewed as a product of their upbringing/cultural background. 2) Domestic violence: lol the NFL and most major sports teams have wife beaters (both male and female) and I'm sure husband beaters, and they get less attention than DeflateGate and less penalties so nah. I'll give you a halfway on this point because I had to strawman it a bit. 3) Access to weapons: have you seen the last eight years? Gun sales doubled, open carry passed in so many places, yeah some places have become stricter on guns but in general it's been allowed to descend out of control. idk the point of this post because Jonny will just find some ideological position that disagrees with it and we're back full circle. good luck in this thread GH
Well he's already starting in the typical pattern of bringing up a tangential unrelated point and trying to troll right off the bat
Knowing exactly what he's doing has resulted it in it taking fewer posts in general, but maybe it's a fluke.
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On June 15 2015 09:57 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 08:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 15 2015 08:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 15 2015 08:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 15 2015 07:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 15 2015 06:58 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Dallas Police Chief: 'A Blessing' No Officers Hurt In Attack On HQ Updated at 3:00 p.m. ET Automatic gunfire from an armored van shattered the glass frontage at Dallas Police headquarters before the van sped away, leading police on a chase and standoff with the driver, who was killed by a SWAT unit sniper. + Show Spoiler +Yikes, and also bombs involved. At least they got him before he could do more damage. Seeing how quickly the media moved on when they found out it was a white guy has been pretty comical. You would think this would be an opportunity to see the common thread of mentally unstable people who need help, but I doubt it. When brown and black people do things like this it will be "a sign of a much larger issue in the ____ community" and when white guys do it, it will be a 'bad apple' or 'isolated incident'. Rather than key in on comments like "Texas is a horrible place to live!!! Too much government control!!!" like they would if a black guy made a post saying "F**k pigs", they just chalk it up to some crazy guy and move on. Most times a black (or white, or brown, or yellow, or whatever) shoots someone it doesn't hit the national news. Hence you have stories about Balitmore's total monthly death toll. This hit the news because it is an exceptional incident. A guy attacked a police HQ with guns and bombs. There have been 3 major shootings in Texas recently, which one has been discussed as a deeper/cultural issue by outlets from the right? This is a clear case of mental health issues, and considering the family said they tried to get him help but he was declared sane they were practically helpless. The police knew he was threatening to attack several targets including schools and churches, and that he had a history of domestic violence. Yet he was still able to buy the armored van from what reports say was surplus police equipment (a funny irony) and obtain the weapons he needed. The story is full of larger issues that need to be discussed but wont be. Mental health, domestic violence and access to weapons all get discussed. Why no hashtag for whitelivsmatter? Of course "they get discussed", it's when, where, and at what depth that I'm talking about. Have you seen any pieces from right wing outlets talking about those deeper issues in relation to this and the larger social implications? #JonnyMatters Feel better?
You're not talking about anything meaningful. You're just spewing racism and hate.
On June 15 2015 10:24 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 10:16 YoureFired wrote:On June 15 2015 09:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 15 2015 08:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 15 2015 08:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 15 2015 08:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 15 2015 07:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 15 2015 06:58 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Dallas Police Chief: 'A Blessing' No Officers Hurt In Attack On HQ Updated at 3:00 p.m. ET Automatic gunfire from an armored van shattered the glass frontage at Dallas Police headquarters before the van sped away, leading police on a chase and standoff with the driver, who was killed by a SWAT unit sniper. + Show Spoiler +Yikes, and also bombs involved. At least they got him before he could do more damage. Seeing how quickly the media moved on when they found out it was a white guy has been pretty comical. You would think this would be an opportunity to see the common thread of mentally unstable people who need help, but I doubt it. When brown and black people do things like this it will be "a sign of a much larger issue in the ____ community" and when white guys do it, it will be a 'bad apple' or 'isolated incident'. Rather than key in on comments like "Texas is a horrible place to live!!! Too much government control!!!" like they would if a black guy made a post saying "F**k pigs", they just chalk it up to some crazy guy and move on. Most times a black (or white, or brown, or yellow, or whatever) shoots someone it doesn't hit the national news. Hence you have stories about Balitmore's total monthly death toll. This hit the news because it is an exceptional incident. A guy attacked a police HQ with guns and bombs. There have been 3 major shootings in Texas recently, which one has been discussed as a deeper/cultural issue by outlets from the right? This is a clear case of mental health issues, and considering the family said they tried to get him help but he was declared sane they were practically helpless. The police knew he was threatening to attack several targets including schools and churches, and that he had a history of domestic violence. Yet he was still able to buy the armored van from what reports say was surplus police equipment (a funny irony) and obtain the weapons he needed. The story is full of larger issues that need to be discussed but wont be. Mental health, domestic violence and access to weapons all get discussed. Why no hashtag for whitelivsmatter? Of course "they get discussed", it's when, where, and at what depth that I'm talking about. Have you seen any pieces from right wing outlets talking about those deeper issues in relation to this and the larger social implications? #JonnyMatters Feel better? So you say mental health, domestic violence, access to weapons gets discussed. 1) Mental health: I mean sure but as GreenHorizons said, only white violent assailants are evaluated in this frame. For people of color, it's often viewed as a product of their upbringing/cultural background. 2) Domestic violence: lol the NFL and most major sports teams have wife beaters (both male and female) and I'm sure husband beaters, and they get less attention than DeflateGate and less penalties so nah. I'll give you a halfway on this point because I had to strawman it a bit. 3) Access to weapons: have you seen the last eight years? Gun sales doubled, open carry passed in so many places, yeah some places have become stricter on guns but in general it's been allowed to descend out of control. idk the point of this post because Jonny will just find some ideological position that disagrees with it and we're back full circle. good luck in this thread GH Well he's already starting in the typical pattern of bringing up a tangential unrelated point and trying to troll right off the batKnowing exactly what he's doing has resulted it in it taking fewer posts in general, but maybe it's a fluke.
You're projecting. You started out trolling and bringing up the unrelated, tangential point of 'evil conservatives would be talking about this more if the guy was black'.
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