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On June 12 2015 08:42 cLutZ wrote:


http://www.wsj.com/article_email/obamas-gun-control-misfire-1433892493-lMyQjAxMTE1MDExMDExMzA2Wj



Bureaucratic power grab? Partisan document? Both? Or are they indistinguishable because its the same result either way?

On June 12 2015 08:42 cLutZ wrote:


http://www.wsj.com/article_email/obamas-gun-control-misfire-1433892493-lMyQjAxMTE1MDExMDExMzA2Wj



Bureaucratic power grab? Partisan document? Both? Or are they indistinguishable because its the same result either way?

On June 11 2015 16:28 screamingpalm wrote:


Wasn't that a socialist Ralph Nader creation? I dunno, I'm fairly partial to clean air and water myself though. XD

Former Green Party presidential candidate Ralph Nader recently called her “a deep corporatist and a deep militarist.”

He said that when Mrs. Clinton served on the Senate Armed Services Committee, she “never met a weapons system she didn’t like.”

Mr. Nader also blamed Mrs. Clinton for “almost single-handedly” pushing President Obama into lending U.S. military support to depose Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi, which unleashed chaos in the country that spread throughout the region and helped the terrorist army that calls itself the Islamic State gain a foothold.

Spokane NAACP Leader's Race Becomes Subject Of Controversy

Is the leader of Spokane's chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People black?

That's the question that has roiled the community after a local television station reporter confronted Rachel Dolezal with accusations that she has been misrepresenting herself as being of mixed race, when she was really the daughter of two white parents.



...

Dolezal has become a prominent civil rights leader in the area. She initially came under scrutiny by KXLY-TV after a postal inspector concluded that hate mail left in the local NAACP's P.O. Box was never processed by the postal system.

The postal inspector said that the hate mail had to have been placed in the box by someone with a key. Dolezal had a key, but she dismissed accusations that she had placed the mail in the box herself.

On June 13 2015 03:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:

Link

#WrongSkin

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On June 13 2015 03:52 Gorsameth wrote:

Wait thats the same person in those pictures?
WTF?

On June 13 2015 03:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:

Link

#WrongSkin

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Reporter: Are you African American

Rachel Dolezal: I don't understand the question + Show Spoiler +

@GodfreyElfwick. He operates a parody account.

On June 13 2015 04:14 GreenHorizons wrote:


You ever come up with those policies/practices or was that all bullshit?

smh... This is what passes as comedy on the right. If you want to embarrass someone for doing something stupid you don't have to insult a bunch of other people to do it (trans-genders).

Allow me to show you.



See, funny without being disrespectful to hundreds of thousands of people for no reason.

I don't understand what about trans-gender people threatens people like Jonny so much? Did Caitlyn make these people question their sexuality or something?



Source

I will give credit for the creative racism though.

On June 13 2015 04:41 Liquid`Drone wrote:
that spokane naacp thing is pretty hilarious though.. if nothing else just for the rare opportunity to watch a carefully woven web of lies disintegrate in front of us..

On June 13 2015 04:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:

Lol, why are you attacking me personally? I didn't insult Caitlyn, I didn't bring her up at all or any one else who is trans-gendered.

Godfrey is hilarious in part because he makes outrageous statements that ... end up being real. It's Poe's law in action. He claims to be wrong skinned, which is outrageous, and here we have a local NAACP president claiming to be just that.

NPR isn't even quite sure what to make of it:

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On June 13 2015 04:49 GreenHorizons wrote:


I don't know if hilarious is the word I would use or that it's rare we celebrate someones self-destruction, or the web was so carefully woven but it is humorous while also sad and frustrating.

Just seems pathetic to try to use it to score some fame (like the idiot in the picture) while using it to jab at trans-gender people, while also being mildly racist and ignoring privilege.

For trans-phobic, racists, who struggle to find ways to express their bigotry (in a way that the public is more likely to accept), it is sort of a gold mine though.



I'm not personally attacking you, I called out the racism/trans-phobia and asked a question about why people like Godfrey and by extension people who propagate his bigotry are so intimidated by people like Caitlyn that they feel the need to do what they are doing.

Godfrey is pathetic, thinking he is hilarious is just sad.

Guessing that's a "yes (I Jonny was talking out of my ass)" on the policies and practices bit? Maybe you could hit us with your payroll understanding finally?

My guess is you just keep trolling trying to get me banned.

On June 13 2015 05:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean by the 'policies and practices' bit, or what you think I wrote that was racist or trans-phobic. The only thing I can think of is that you're on the side that trans-racial is real, and are upset that it's being mocked. Are you trans-racial yourself?

And we were talking about HR before, not payroll, and I cited my sources at the start. HR is majority women and HR plays an important role in pay setting, recruitment, etc. It always was a valid, cited argument.

On June 11 2015 11:12 GreenHorizons wrote:


No, they certainly share responsibility with the police forces themselves. Considering what has been the response from police unions and officers in contentious departments to criticisms about their practices I personally put more blame on the police themselves than one party or the other.

The exception to that might be draconian drug laws they are forced to enforce despite many of them trying desperately to tell politicians it's a waste of their time and resources and financing their department through extorting citizens. I mostly blame politicians for that, doesn't really matter their party affiliation for me.

If you're asking if I put all of the responsibility for bad policing on the politicians the answer is no, but that's also not limited to party.

EDIT: So I'm still unclear on what 'errors' it is you think I/liberals would be admitting regarding the police? Which under this construction seems like a very curious and tangential place to even start?

Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback (R) "choked up" during a private meeting with Kansas House Republicans over discussions on closing the state's $400 million budget deficit.

"He got emotional," an unnamed legislator who attended the private meeting said, according to the Topeka Capitol-Journal reported on Wednesday. "He was eager for us to come together as a party."

Another lawmaker said Brownback described making budget cuts "really difficult to do before."

Brownback's office didn't respond to requests for comments by the Kansas newspaper.

In the Tuesday meeting, according to the Capitol-Journal, Brownback expressed concern that if House and Senate lawmakers didn't come to a deal he would have to order sweeping 6 percent cuts across the state's budget.

Brownback, according to legislators at the meeting, also recalled all the public criticism he's received over the dim state of Kansas's budget, including being booed at a NCAA game in Omaha between two Kansas universities —Wichita State and The University of Kansas.

On June 13 2015 05:20 GreenHorizons wrote:


Captain oblivious ftw. I don't buy for a second that you don't know what is racist and trans-phobic about your post.

on policy and practices.



on payroll...

I asked how you thought salaries were negotiated, not who works in HR.

WASHINGTON -- Democrats rebelled against President Barack Obama's ambitious trade agenda Friday, spurning his last-second personal appeal and blocking a measure in the House that would have granted him the power to fast-track sweeping, secretive international agreements through Congress.

The Democrats' revolt focused on a provision that they would normally back -- something called Trade Adjustment Assistance, or TAA, which would pay to help retrain workers whose jobs get shipped overseas by trade deals -- knowing that killing it would bring fast-track down with it.

But weeks of telephone calls from the White House, countless meetings, negotiations, public feuds and a last-minute trip to Capitol Hill from the president himself did nothing to sway Democrats and the GOP's conservative wing against Obama's trade agenda. In an especially stinging rebuke, Obama lost the key vote, 302 to 126, despite his personal lobbying just hours before. Fast-track passed, 219 to 211.

"If TAA slows down the fast-track, I am prepared to vote against TAA," House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said on the House floor. "Because I'm sad to say it’s the only way that we will be able to slow down the fast-track. If TAA fails, the fast-track bill is stopped."

"I believe that when leader Pelosi announced that she was voting against trade adjustment assistance, that did sway votes," Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.) said. "When the president came in to talk to caucus this morning for undecided members, I think he made a persuasive case. When leader Pelosi announced that she was voting against TAA for undecided members, it sealed the deal."

The TAA measure was included in the fast-track bill in a bid to win Democratic support. But it attracted opposition because funding for the program was seen as too low, and because the Senate decided to pay for it in part by cutting $700 million from Medicare.

On June 13 2015 06:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:

Yeah, absolutely nothing.


Dredging up two old discussions just to bait out an argument? Sad, but OK.

On police:

Liberals run the police force oppressing blacks yet you've been mainly criticizing conservatives on the topic. I was hoping at some point you'd look in the mirror and see your own bias, but that's apparently impossible.

On salaries:

The prospective employee, HR and the hiring manager are usually involved but it varies by organization. It doesn't really matter though since no matter who is involved my many, well sourced arguments still stand.

On June 13 2015 06:24 GreenHorizons wrote:


You very well may be impressively blind to your own racism/trans-phobia but I still don't believe it.

On police and HR: Liberals run the police like the ladies at HR are the ones choosing to pay women less. Your arguments were crap and still are. Sourcing irrelevant facts doesn't change the fallacy of your original points.

The reason I bring them up is because they display a clear and consistent pattern by you. Once you realize your position is dumb and/or uninformed on the reality you just stop talking about it until the next thing you can troll with. Occasionally you mix in a legitimate post but that's become more and more rare.

On June 13 2015 06:35 JonnyBNoHo wrote:

Project much?

It's a fact that most urban areas are majority liberal and tend to elect liberal politicians. Liberals are clearly in charge there and I can't think of a reason why you'd disagree with that point outside of a right-wing conspiracy theory.

As for the wage gap just ask Obama. His office pays women less than men and the reason he cites as to why that is fair (different work, different hours, different levels of education / experience) are the same reasons that explain away the wage gap more broadly.