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On April 11 2015 04:16 always_winter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 03:38 Leporello wrote:
I wonder when we're going to figure out that these incidents of brutality aren't outliers. There isn't one cop in that video, there's at least 5, and however many more come in later after the beating is done.
This is a systemic problem of law-enforcement using extreme, completely unnecessary, and completely aggressive violence against people. I've been of the opinion for years that there needs to be a real, broad, transparent agency to monitor our police departments (not internal affairs, each segmented from each other, each operating too much from within the departments they investigate), and that some of these departments (hello LAPD) simply need to be completely reconstructed from scratch, top to bottom. Fire them all, tear down the building even, because what these people do is that far beyond excusable.
And we've done a disservice to ourselves by focusing way too much on the racial issues when we see these incidents. This shouldn't be about race. It shouldn't even matter if a policeman is racist if he abides by rules of law and reasonable conduct. It'd just be an irrelevant personal view, as important as his politics. Racism only matters because our police feel like they can and should beat (and sometimes kill) defenseless people. Absolutely. As a white male, I feel my black friends are more prone to experience this evil, although I agree the underlying issue is the excessive use of force which is not confined to racial boundaries. We CANNOT view these occurrences as outliers, we CANNOT hide behind indifference, we MUST make our voices heard and ignite the wheels of change which can bring the radical and comprehensive reform this nation and its people so richly deserve.
i am curious what you are actually doing to make your voice heard other than posting on a gaming website.
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On April 11 2015 05:17 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 04:16 always_winter wrote:On April 11 2015 03:38 Leporello wrote:
I wonder when we're going to figure out that these incidents of brutality aren't outliers. There isn't one cop in that video, there's at least 5, and however many more come in later after the beating is done.
This is a systemic problem of law-enforcement using extreme, completely unnecessary, and completely aggressive violence against people. I've been of the opinion for years that there needs to be a real, broad, transparent agency to monitor our police departments (not internal affairs, each segmented from each other, each operating too much from within the departments they investigate), and that some of these departments (hello LAPD) simply need to be completely reconstructed from scratch, top to bottom. Fire them all, tear down the building even, because what these people do is that far beyond excusable.
And we've done a disservice to ourselves by focusing way too much on the racial issues when we see these incidents. This shouldn't be about race. It shouldn't even matter if a policeman is racist if he abides by rules of law and reasonable conduct. It'd just be an irrelevant personal view, as important as his politics. Racism only matters because our police feel like they can and should beat (and sometimes kill) defenseless people. Absolutely. As a white male, I feel my black friends are more prone to experience this evil, although I agree the underlying issue is the excessive use of force which is not confined to racial boundaries. We CANNOT view these occurrences as outliers, we CANNOT hide behind indifference, we MUST make our voices heard and ignite the wheels of change which can bring the radical and comprehensive reform this nation and its people so richly deserve. i am curious what you are actually doing to make your voice heard other than posting on a gaming website.
It may not be much, but it's more than plenty of people are doing. PD's across the nation are all sorts of fucked up. Not everyone can get to a protest or drop their career plans to fight corrupt PD's and the people who protect them. If everyone who posted here agreed that too many PD's are far too corrupt and we simply haven't been doing enough about it, we could make some progress.
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On April 11 2015 05:17 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 04:16 always_winter wrote:On April 11 2015 03:38 Leporello wrote:
I wonder when we're going to figure out that these incidents of brutality aren't outliers. There isn't one cop in that video, there's at least 5, and however many more come in later after the beating is done.
This is a systemic problem of law-enforcement using extreme, completely unnecessary, and completely aggressive violence against people. I've been of the opinion for years that there needs to be a real, broad, transparent agency to monitor our police departments (not internal affairs, each segmented from each other, each operating too much from within the departments they investigate), and that some of these departments (hello LAPD) simply need to be completely reconstructed from scratch, top to bottom. Fire them all, tear down the building even, because what these people do is that far beyond excusable.
And we've done a disservice to ourselves by focusing way too much on the racial issues when we see these incidents. This shouldn't be about race. It shouldn't even matter if a policeman is racist if he abides by rules of law and reasonable conduct. It'd just be an irrelevant personal view, as important as his politics. Racism only matters because our police feel like they can and should beat (and sometimes kill) defenseless people. Absolutely. As a white male, I feel my black friends are more prone to experience this evil, although I agree the underlying issue is the excessive use of force which is not confined to racial boundaries. We CANNOT view these occurrences as outliers, we CANNOT hide behind indifference, we MUST make our voices heard and ignite the wheels of change which can bring the radical and comprehensive reform this nation and its people so richly deserve. i am curious what you are actually doing to make your voice heard other than posting on a gaming website.
Everything in my power, including petitioning local representatives. Spreading awareness is the foremost prerequisite for change, and radical change to a corrupt establishment is brought by the people. A grassroots campaign is required, a consensus of the people, brought by the people, of which awareness is the antecedent. Spreading awareness via social media, via online forums, via blogs and via every other piece of modern technology which enables our voice to be heard. We cannot combat a problem until there is a consensus that a problem exists. We certainly cannot turn to the corrupt establishment to right itself.
Why challenge me for spreading awareness? Why assume this is the only tool in my arsenal? I, too, am curious. I'm curious as to why you so valiantly stand to defend such actions, or rather to disregard them or infuse them with some nonsensical racial undertones, and why you'd condemn those who wish to unveil them.
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On April 11 2015 05:40 always_winter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 05:17 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 11 2015 04:16 always_winter wrote:On April 11 2015 03:38 Leporello wrote:
I wonder when we're going to figure out that these incidents of brutality aren't outliers. There isn't one cop in that video, there's at least 5, and however many more come in later after the beating is done.
This is a systemic problem of law-enforcement using extreme, completely unnecessary, and completely aggressive violence against people. I've been of the opinion for years that there needs to be a real, broad, transparent agency to monitor our police departments (not internal affairs, each segmented from each other, each operating too much from within the departments they investigate), and that some of these departments (hello LAPD) simply need to be completely reconstructed from scratch, top to bottom. Fire them all, tear down the building even, because what these people do is that far beyond excusable.
And we've done a disservice to ourselves by focusing way too much on the racial issues when we see these incidents. This shouldn't be about race. It shouldn't even matter if a policeman is racist if he abides by rules of law and reasonable conduct. It'd just be an irrelevant personal view, as important as his politics. Racism only matters because our police feel like they can and should beat (and sometimes kill) defenseless people. Absolutely. As a white male, I feel my black friends are more prone to experience this evil, although I agree the underlying issue is the excessive use of force which is not confined to racial boundaries. We CANNOT view these occurrences as outliers, we CANNOT hide behind indifference, we MUST make our voices heard and ignite the wheels of change which can bring the radical and comprehensive reform this nation and its people so richly deserve. i am curious what you are actually doing to make your voice heard other than posting on a gaming website. Everything in my power, including petitioning local representatives. Spreading awareness is the foremost prerequisite for change, and radical change to a corrupt establishment is brought by the people. A grassroots campaign is required, a consensus of the people, brought by the people, of which awareness is the antecedent. Spreading awareness via social media, via online forums, via blogs and via every other piece of modern technology which enables our voice to be heard. We cannot combat a problem until there is a consensus that a problem exists. We certainly cannot turn to the corrupt establishment to right itself. Why challenge me for spreading awareness? Why assume this is the only tool in my arsenal? I, too, am curious. I'm curious as to why you so valiantly stand to defend such actions, or rather to disregard them or infuse them with some nonsensical racial undertones, and why you'd condemn those who wish to unveil them.
calm down there cowboy, i only asked what you were doing because you are so hot and heavy, and i was curious. the only thing i discern from your post is that you petition local representatives and "spread awareness" apparently on tl.net and other unnamed websites.
i also am not challenging you, but i am laughing at your response.
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On April 11 2015 04:39 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 04:21 Millitron wrote:
Motive doesn't matter to me. It doesn't matter why police brutalize people, the problem is that they do. It'd be just as bad if they beat and killed people just because they were in a bad mood, or didn't like the victim's hairstyle or whatever.
Finding a motive is important to prove guilt, but it doesn't make the crime any worse. You're just as dead if a cop shoots you for being black or because he had had a bad day. This is a pretty stupid stance to take if what you actually want is to prevent the cops from shooting people dead in the first place. Cops shooting people because they are racist has a different "cure"than cops shooting people because they are in bad moods. In the latter case, psychological treatment and ensuring better rest patterns could resolve the issue. In the former I have no clue how to treat racism except for education and time. Of course, the short and mid-term solution is to take away their ability to use excess force (for instance, through greater oversight and stricter crackdowns on aggressive behaviour in cops), but if cops think it is somehow okay to shoot people in case of X, then it is a cultural problem, and that cultural root needs to be addressed.
Dunno, it actually makes sense. The solution in both cases is to set up a system that makes sure that cops who murder people are reliably caught and sentenced just like any other person. That solves most reasons why a cop would kill someone, as most cops would not want to go to prison over being annoyed at some guy, or not liking someones skincolour, or whatever.
The main problem currently is that both in the general population and amongst cops there does not seem to be any trust in that happening. Which is at the crux of all of these problems.
Of course, cops being racists is ALSO a problem, but a different, though related one. The main goal should be to make sure that cops stop killing this many people.
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On April 11 2015 05:58 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 05:40 always_winter wrote:On April 11 2015 05:17 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 11 2015 04:16 always_winter wrote:On April 11 2015 03:38 Leporello wrote:
I wonder when we're going to figure out that these incidents of brutality aren't outliers. There isn't one cop in that video, there's at least 5, and however many more come in later after the beating is done.
This is a systemic problem of law-enforcement using extreme, completely unnecessary, and completely aggressive violence against people. I've been of the opinion for years that there needs to be a real, broad, transparent agency to monitor our police departments (not internal affairs, each segmented from each other, each operating too much from within the departments they investigate), and that some of these departments (hello LAPD) simply need to be completely reconstructed from scratch, top to bottom. Fire them all, tear down the building even, because what these people do is that far beyond excusable.
And we've done a disservice to ourselves by focusing way too much on the racial issues when we see these incidents. This shouldn't be about race. It shouldn't even matter if a policeman is racist if he abides by rules of law and reasonable conduct. It'd just be an irrelevant personal view, as important as his politics. Racism only matters because our police feel like they can and should beat (and sometimes kill) defenseless people. Absolutely. As a white male, I feel my black friends are more prone to experience this evil, although I agree the underlying issue is the excessive use of force which is not confined to racial boundaries. We CANNOT view these occurrences as outliers, we CANNOT hide behind indifference, we MUST make our voices heard and ignite the wheels of change which can bring the radical and comprehensive reform this nation and its people so richly deserve. i am curious what you are actually doing to make your voice heard other than posting on a gaming website. Everything in my power, including petitioning local representatives. Spreading awareness is the foremost prerequisite for change, and radical change to a corrupt establishment is brought by the people. A grassroots campaign is required, a consensus of the people, brought by the people, of which awareness is the antecedent. Spreading awareness via social media, via online forums, via blogs and via every other piece of modern technology which enables our voice to be heard. We cannot combat a problem until there is a consensus that a problem exists. We certainly cannot turn to the corrupt establishment to right itself. Why challenge me for spreading awareness? Why assume this is the only tool in my arsenal? I, too, am curious. I'm curious as to why you so valiantly stand to defend such actions, or rather to disregard them or infuse them with some nonsensical racial undertones, and why you'd condemn those who wish to unveil them. calm down there cowboy, i only asked what you were doing because you are so hot and heavy, and i was curious. the only thing i discern from your post is that you petition local representatives and "spread awareness" apparently on tl.net and other unnamed websites. i also am not challenging you, but i am laughing at your response.
That's one reason why people like you are part of the problem.
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On April 11 2015 05:58 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 05:40 always_winter wrote:On April 11 2015 05:17 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 11 2015 04:16 always_winter wrote:On April 11 2015 03:38 Leporello wrote:
I wonder when we're going to figure out that these incidents of brutality aren't outliers. There isn't one cop in that video, there's at least 5, and however many more come in later after the beating is done.
This is a systemic problem of law-enforcement using extreme, completely unnecessary, and completely aggressive violence against people. I've been of the opinion for years that there needs to be a real, broad, transparent agency to monitor our police departments (not internal affairs, each segmented from each other, each operating too much from within the departments they investigate), and that some of these departments (hello LAPD) simply need to be completely reconstructed from scratch, top to bottom. Fire them all, tear down the building even, because what these people do is that far beyond excusable.
And we've done a disservice to ourselves by focusing way too much on the racial issues when we see these incidents. This shouldn't be about race. It shouldn't even matter if a policeman is racist if he abides by rules of law and reasonable conduct. It'd just be an irrelevant personal view, as important as his politics. Racism only matters because our police feel like they can and should beat (and sometimes kill) defenseless people. Absolutely. As a white male, I feel my black friends are more prone to experience this evil, although I agree the underlying issue is the excessive use of force which is not confined to racial boundaries. We CANNOT view these occurrences as outliers, we CANNOT hide behind indifference, we MUST make our voices heard and ignite the wheels of change which can bring the radical and comprehensive reform this nation and its people so richly deserve. i am curious what you are actually doing to make your voice heard other than posting on a gaming website. Everything in my power, including petitioning local representatives. Spreading awareness is the foremost prerequisite for change, and radical change to a corrupt establishment is brought by the people. A grassroots campaign is required, a consensus of the people, brought by the people, of which awareness is the antecedent. Spreading awareness via social media, via online forums, via blogs and via every other piece of modern technology which enables our voice to be heard. We cannot combat a problem until there is a consensus that a problem exists. We certainly cannot turn to the corrupt establishment to right itself. Why challenge me for spreading awareness? Why assume this is the only tool in my arsenal? I, too, am curious. I'm curious as to why you so valiantly stand to defend such actions, or rather to disregard them or infuse them with some nonsensical racial undertones, and why you'd condemn those who wish to unveil them. calm down there cowboy, i only asked what you were doing because you are so hot and heavy, and i was curious. the only thing i discern from your post is that you petition local representatives and "spread awareness" apparently on tl.net and other unnamed websites. i also am not challenging you, but i am laughing at your response.
Then you must take me for a fool. I could throw around cavalier language ("hot and heavy," which generation you from, bruh?), but I chose not to given the gravity of the situation. Clearly including the words "on a gaming website" were meant to be condescending, implying I'm wasting my breath on a forum unrelated to social issues.
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On April 11 2015 06:02 always_winter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 05:58 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 11 2015 05:40 always_winter wrote:On April 11 2015 05:17 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 11 2015 04:16 always_winter wrote:On April 11 2015 03:38 Leporello wrote:
I wonder when we're going to figure out that these incidents of brutality aren't outliers. There isn't one cop in that video, there's at least 5, and however many more come in later after the beating is done.
This is a systemic problem of law-enforcement using extreme, completely unnecessary, and completely aggressive violence against people. I've been of the opinion for years that there needs to be a real, broad, transparent agency to monitor our police departments (not internal affairs, each segmented from each other, each operating too much from within the departments they investigate), and that some of these departments (hello LAPD) simply need to be completely reconstructed from scratch, top to bottom. Fire them all, tear down the building even, because what these people do is that far beyond excusable.
And we've done a disservice to ourselves by focusing way too much on the racial issues when we see these incidents. This shouldn't be about race. It shouldn't even matter if a policeman is racist if he abides by rules of law and reasonable conduct. It'd just be an irrelevant personal view, as important as his politics. Racism only matters because our police feel like they can and should beat (and sometimes kill) defenseless people. Absolutely. As a white male, I feel my black friends are more prone to experience this evil, although I agree the underlying issue is the excessive use of force which is not confined to racial boundaries. We CANNOT view these occurrences as outliers, we CANNOT hide behind indifference, we MUST make our voices heard and ignite the wheels of change which can bring the radical and comprehensive reform this nation and its people so richly deserve. i am curious what you are actually doing to make your voice heard other than posting on a gaming website. Everything in my power, including petitioning local representatives. Spreading awareness is the foremost prerequisite for change, and radical change to a corrupt establishment is brought by the people. A grassroots campaign is required, a consensus of the people, brought by the people, of which awareness is the antecedent. Spreading awareness via social media, via online forums, via blogs and via every other piece of modern technology which enables our voice to be heard. We cannot combat a problem until there is a consensus that a problem exists. We certainly cannot turn to the corrupt establishment to right itself. Why challenge me for spreading awareness? Why assume this is the only tool in my arsenal? I, too, am curious. I'm curious as to why you so valiantly stand to defend such actions, or rather to disregard them or infuse them with some nonsensical racial undertones, and why you'd condemn those who wish to unveil them. calm down there cowboy, i only asked what you were doing because you are so hot and heavy, and i was curious. the only thing i discern from your post is that you petition local representatives and "spread awareness" apparently on tl.net and other unnamed websites. i also am not challenging you, but i am laughing at your response. Then you must take me for a fool. I could throw around cavalier language ("hot and heavy," which generation you from, bruh?), but I chose not to given the gravity of the situation. Clearly including the words "on a gaming website" were meant to be condescending, implying I'm wasting my breath on a forum unrelated to social issues.
i do feel you are wasting your breath, but that is neither here nor there. i was only curious what you were doing about it, but it appears you would rather be defensive than give me a straight answer. keep preaching to the primarily non-US citizens and liberals in this thread though because thats going to make a big difference, bruh.
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don't attack daphreak; he had a reasonable and valid point. It's an all too common occurrence that people complain generally, but don't actually talk to the relevant authorities/people who can get something done. So he was just checking up on that.
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On April 11 2015 06:06 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 06:02 always_winter wrote:On April 11 2015 05:58 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 11 2015 05:40 always_winter wrote:On April 11 2015 05:17 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 11 2015 04:16 always_winter wrote:On April 11 2015 03:38 Leporello wrote:
I wonder when we're going to figure out that these incidents of brutality aren't outliers. There isn't one cop in that video, there's at least 5, and however many more come in later after the beating is done.
This is a systemic problem of law-enforcement using extreme, completely unnecessary, and completely aggressive violence against people. I've been of the opinion for years that there needs to be a real, broad, transparent agency to monitor our police departments (not internal affairs, each segmented from each other, each operating too much from within the departments they investigate), and that some of these departments (hello LAPD) simply need to be completely reconstructed from scratch, top to bottom. Fire them all, tear down the building even, because what these people do is that far beyond excusable.
And we've done a disservice to ourselves by focusing way too much on the racial issues when we see these incidents. This shouldn't be about race. It shouldn't even matter if a policeman is racist if he abides by rules of law and reasonable conduct. It'd just be an irrelevant personal view, as important as his politics. Racism only matters because our police feel like they can and should beat (and sometimes kill) defenseless people. Absolutely. As a white male, I feel my black friends are more prone to experience this evil, although I agree the underlying issue is the excessive use of force which is not confined to racial boundaries. We CANNOT view these occurrences as outliers, we CANNOT hide behind indifference, we MUST make our voices heard and ignite the wheels of change which can bring the radical and comprehensive reform this nation and its people so richly deserve. i am curious what you are actually doing to make your voice heard other than posting on a gaming website. Everything in my power, including petitioning local representatives. Spreading awareness is the foremost prerequisite for change, and radical change to a corrupt establishment is brought by the people. A grassroots campaign is required, a consensus of the people, brought by the people, of which awareness is the antecedent. Spreading awareness via social media, via online forums, via blogs and via every other piece of modern technology which enables our voice to be heard. We cannot combat a problem until there is a consensus that a problem exists. We certainly cannot turn to the corrupt establishment to right itself. Why challenge me for spreading awareness? Why assume this is the only tool in my arsenal? I, too, am curious. I'm curious as to why you so valiantly stand to defend such actions, or rather to disregard them or infuse them with some nonsensical racial undertones, and why you'd condemn those who wish to unveil them. calm down there cowboy, i only asked what you were doing because you are so hot and heavy, and i was curious. the only thing i discern from your post is that you petition local representatives and "spread awareness" apparently on tl.net and other unnamed websites. i also am not challenging you, but i am laughing at your response. Then you must take me for a fool. I could throw around cavalier language ("hot and heavy," which generation you from, bruh?), but I chose not to given the gravity of the situation. Clearly including the words "on a gaming website" were meant to be condescending, implying I'm wasting my breath on a forum unrelated to social issues. i do feel you are wasting your breath, but that is neither here nor there. i was only curious what you were doing about it, but it appears you would rather be defensive than give me a straight answer. keep preaching to the primarily non-US citizens and liberals in this thread though because thats going to make a big difference, bruh.
He already answered you. Why don't you tell him what you think he should be doing rather than acting like a condescending cunt?
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On April 11 2015 05:59 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 04:39 Acrofales wrote:On April 11 2015 04:21 Millitron wrote:
Motive doesn't matter to me. It doesn't matter why police brutalize people, the problem is that they do. It'd be just as bad if they beat and killed people just because they were in a bad mood, or didn't like the victim's hairstyle or whatever.
Finding a motive is important to prove guilt, but it doesn't make the crime any worse. You're just as dead if a cop shoots you for being black or because he had had a bad day. This is a pretty stupid stance to take if what you actually want is to prevent the cops from shooting people dead in the first place. Cops shooting people because they are racist has a different "cure"than cops shooting people because they are in bad moods. In the latter case, psychological treatment and ensuring better rest patterns could resolve the issue. In the former I have no clue how to treat racism except for education and time. Of course, the short and mid-term solution is to take away their ability to use excess force (for instance, through greater oversight and stricter crackdowns on aggressive behaviour in cops), but if cops think it is somehow okay to shoot people in case of X, then it is a cultural problem, and that cultural root needs to be addressed. Dunno, it actually makes sense. The solution in both cases is to set up a system that makes sure that cops who murder people are reliably caught and sentenced just like any other person. That solves most reasons why a cop would kill someone, as most cops would not want to go to prison over being annoyed at some guy, or not liking someones skincolour, or whatever. The main problem currently is that both in the general population and amongst cops there does not seem to be any trust in that happening. Which is at the crux of all of these problems. Of course, cops being racists is ALSO a problem, but a different, though related one. The main goal should be to make sure that cops stop killing this many people.
Admittedly the killing is the worst part of racist police, but in the video from SC we see that the only reason he was involved in the shooting in the first place was because he was harassing a citizen pulling him over for no good reason. It's wayyyyy to common for cops to find bullshit/non-existent reasons to pull people over and a blatant violation of citizens constitutional rights. As we have seen in city after city and time after time the racial disparity is quite real. So even if white people are more frequently traveling with drugs and when searched are more likely to be found to have them, they don't get arrested or sentenced nearly as much due specifically to racial prejudice that any independent murder investigation group would have no bearing on.
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pulled over for no good reason? please, even my white as fuck friends get pulled over for fix-it tickets on their vehicles.
the guy had a broken taillight+ child support payment, he wasn't pulled over for "no good reason".
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On April 11 2015 06:16 wei2coolman wrote:
pulled over for no good reason? please, even my white as fuck friends get pulled over for fix-it tickets on their vehicles.
the guy had a broken taillight+ child support payment, he wasn't pulled over for "no good reason".
First it was during the day so it wasn't even his tail light, it would be his brake light. He had two working brake lights, 1 more than actually required by law. So the reason he pulled him over, asked for identification, and patted down the passenger, wasn't even a violation of any law. The child support payments obviously had nothing to do with why he was pulled over, although I'm not surprised to hear them brought up as if they were relevant.
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On April 11 2015 06:23 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 06:16 wei2coolman wrote:
pulled over for no good reason? please, even my white as fuck friends get pulled over for fix-it tickets on their vehicles.
the guy had a broken taillight+ child support payment, he wasn't pulled over for "no good reason". First it was during the day so it wasn't even his tail light, it would be his brake light. He had two working brake lights, 1 more than actually required by law. So the reason he pulled him over, asked for identification, and patted down the passenger, wasn't even a violation of any law. The child support payments obviously had nothing to do with why he was pulled over, although I'm not surprised to hear them brought up as if they were relevant.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/04/09/398615265/s-c-dash-cam-video-a-broken-tail-light-a-routine-traffic-stop-a-fleeing-man
as far as i can tell from the video, looks like a legit pullover for a fix-it ticket. Obviously what happened after was a tragedy, but to say the guy was pulled over for "no good reason" is stretching the truth.
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On April 11 2015 06:25 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 06:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 11 2015 06:16 wei2coolman wrote:
pulled over for no good reason? please, even my white as fuck friends get pulled over for fix-it tickets on their vehicles.
the guy had a broken taillight+ child support payment, he wasn't pulled over for "no good reason". First it was during the day so it wasn't even his tail light, it would be his brake light. He had two working brake lights, 1 more than actually required by law. So the reason he pulled him over, asked for identification, and patted down the passenger, wasn't even a violation of any law. The child support payments obviously had nothing to do with why he was pulled over, although I'm not surprised to hear them brought up as if they were relevant. police almost always do a license look up when they pull you over, pulling someone over a fix it ticket is not "no good reason".
Fix what, his superfluous third brake light? That's the problem. It would be like pulling someone over to tell them to wash their car. At best it's a waste of time and money at worst, it's harassment that ends in murder (like this case)
EDIT: I guess I should explicitly say, since you seem confused, the cop wouldn't have had a reason to write a ticket because there was no ticketable offense. Although I've seen cops write the ticket anyway and tell me I could prove in court that it was functioning. So I sent a time stamped photo from just after the cop wrote me the ticket, sent the picture and a short letter to the courthouse, then I got a letter back a couple weeks later that told me the ticket was dropped but that I still had to pay a $25 administration fee...
but to say the guy was pulled over for "no good reason" is stretching the truth.
It really isn't. The cop even says for your "third tail light". There is no need or law that requires a third tail light.
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On April 11 2015 06:25 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 06:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 11 2015 06:16 wei2coolman wrote:
pulled over for no good reason? please, even my white as fuck friends get pulled over for fix-it tickets on their vehicles.
the guy had a broken taillight+ child support payment, he wasn't pulled over for "no good reason". First it was during the day so it wasn't even his tail light, it would be his brake light. He had two working brake lights, 1 more than actually required by law. So the reason he pulled him over, asked for identification, and patted down the passenger, wasn't even a violation of any law. The child support payments obviously had nothing to do with why he was pulled over, although I'm not surprised to hear them brought up as if they were relevant. police almost always do a license look up when they pull you over, pulling someone over a fix it ticket is not "no good reason".
So your opinion is that police do not need to know or enforce the law and that citizens should be considered guilty until proven innocent?
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On April 11 2015 06:28 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 06:25 wei2coolman wrote:On April 11 2015 06:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 11 2015 06:16 wei2coolman wrote:
pulled over for no good reason? please, even my white as fuck friends get pulled over for fix-it tickets on their vehicles.
the guy had a broken taillight+ child support payment, he wasn't pulled over for "no good reason". First it was during the day so it wasn't even his tail light, it would be his brake light. He had two working brake lights, 1 more than actually required by law. So the reason he pulled him over, asked for identification, and patted down the passenger, wasn't even a violation of any law. The child support payments obviously had nothing to do with why he was pulled over, although I'm not surprised to hear them brought up as if they were relevant. police almost always do a license look up when they pull you over, pulling someone over a fix it ticket is not "no good reason". So your opinion is that police do not need to know or enforce the law and that citizens should be considered guilty until proven innocent?
It's my opinion that police pulling someone over a broken light, either to enforce a ticket or to warn the driver, is not egregious, nor out of the norm.
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On April 11 2015 06:36 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 06:28 Jormundr wrote:On April 11 2015 06:25 wei2coolman wrote:On April 11 2015 06:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 11 2015 06:16 wei2coolman wrote:
pulled over for no good reason? please, even my white as fuck friends get pulled over for fix-it tickets on their vehicles.
the guy had a broken taillight+ child support payment, he wasn't pulled over for "no good reason". First it was during the day so it wasn't even his tail light, it would be his brake light. He had two working brake lights, 1 more than actually required by law. So the reason he pulled him over, asked for identification, and patted down the passenger, wasn't even a violation of any law. The child support payments obviously had nothing to do with why he was pulled over, although I'm not surprised to hear them brought up as if they were relevant. police almost always do a license look up when they pull you over, pulling someone over a fix it ticket is not "no good reason". So your opinion is that police do not need to know or enforce the law and that citizens should be considered guilty until proven innocent? It's my opinion that police pulling someone over a broken light, either to enforce a ticket or to warn the driver, is not egregious, nor out of the norm.
He was neither enforcing a ticket nor warning the driver because there was nothing to enforce or warn about. It's not rocket science.
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On April 11 2015 06:37 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 06:36 wei2coolman wrote:On April 11 2015 06:28 Jormundr wrote:On April 11 2015 06:25 wei2coolman wrote:On April 11 2015 06:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 11 2015 06:16 wei2coolman wrote:
pulled over for no good reason? please, even my white as fuck friends get pulled over for fix-it tickets on their vehicles.
the guy had a broken taillight+ child support payment, he wasn't pulled over for "no good reason". First it was during the day so it wasn't even his tail light, it would be his brake light. He had two working brake lights, 1 more than actually required by law. So the reason he pulled him over, asked for identification, and patted down the passenger, wasn't even a violation of any law. The child support payments obviously had nothing to do with why he was pulled over, although I'm not surprised to hear them brought up as if they were relevant. police almost always do a license look up when they pull you over, pulling someone over a fix it ticket is not "no good reason". So your opinion is that police do not need to know or enforce the law and that citizens should be considered guilty until proven innocent? It's my opinion that police pulling someone over a broken light, either to enforce a ticket or to warn the driver, is not egregious, nor out of the norm. He was neither enforcing a ticket nor warning the driver because there was nothing to enforce or warn about. It's not rocket science.
broken taillight isn't enforceable or warnable?I know you guys want to play the bleeding heart social liberals, but plz.
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On April 11 2015 06:38 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 06:37 Jormundr wrote:On April 11 2015 06:36 wei2coolman wrote:On April 11 2015 06:28 Jormundr wrote:On April 11 2015 06:25 wei2coolman wrote:On April 11 2015 06:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 11 2015 06:16 wei2coolman wrote:
pulled over for no good reason? please, even my white as fuck friends get pulled over for fix-it tickets on their vehicles.
the guy had a broken taillight+ child support payment, he wasn't pulled over for "no good reason". First it was during the day so it wasn't even his tail light, it would be his brake light. He had two working brake lights, 1 more than actually required by law. So the reason he pulled him over, asked for identification, and patted down the passenger, wasn't even a violation of any law. The child support payments obviously had nothing to do with why he was pulled over, although I'm not surprised to hear them brought up as if they were relevant. police almost always do a license look up when they pull you over, pulling someone over a fix it ticket is not "no good reason". So your opinion is that police do not need to know or enforce the law and that citizens should be considered guilty until proven innocent? It's my opinion that police pulling someone over a broken light, either to enforce a ticket or to warn the driver, is not egregious, nor out of the norm. He was neither enforcing a ticket nor warning the driver because there was nothing to enforce or warn about. It's not rocket science. broken taillight isn't enforceable or warnable?I know you guys want to play the bleeding heart social liberals, but plz.
Good lord... It's not a tail light, it's a brake light. SC requires your vehicle has 1 count it 1 working brake light. The officer admits he pulled him over for a non functioning '3rd tail light', it's clearly bullshit.
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