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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
April 05 2015 18:57 GMT
#36261
And that's irrelevant. I don't want racist police officers even if they are willing to risk their lives on the job.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
April 05 2015 19:07 GMT
#36262
That's fine. It doesn't disprove what I said though, that they really might deserve the awards they received.
Who called in the fleet?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-05 19:48:47
April 05 2015 19:45 GMT
#36263
On April 06 2015 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2015 00:32 oneofthem wrote:
why isn't the casual and flippant joke itself a part of behavior? how do you tell if someone is being serious?

cuz no fun allowed.

seriously, by most modern definition of racism, all comedians are racists, and sexist, cuz jokes.

Yes because going to a comedy show and working in a professional environment are the exact same thing. My co-workers and I enjoy off color humor just like everyone else, but it doesn't happen at the office.

Also, I question the judgment of anyone who sends off color jokes by email or text. You wouldn't but that in a letter or journal, so I don't like why email and personal texts are somehow a good idea.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
April 05 2015 20:04 GMT
#36264
On April 06 2015 04:45 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2015 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 06 2015 00:32 oneofthem wrote:
why isn't the casual and flippant joke itself a part of behavior? how do you tell if someone is being serious?

cuz no fun allowed.

seriously, by most modern definition of racism, all comedians are racists, and sexist, cuz jokes.

Yes because going to a comedy show and working in a professional environment are the exact same thing. My co-workers and I enjoy off color humor just like everyone else, but it doesn't happen at the office.

Also, I question the judgment of anyone who sends off color jokes by email or text. You wouldn't but that in a letter or journal, so I don't like why email and personal texts are somehow a good idea.

If they were sent on their personal emails or phones, it's no different than an off-color joke in person.

I agree it's got no place at the office or on office-owned electronic devices.
Who called in the fleet?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 05 2015 20:04 GMT
#36265
Three months into what allies once confidently described as a “shock and awe” drive to overcome his rivals and dominate the Republican presidential field, Jeb Bush’s early campaigning looks like the juggernaut that wasn’t.

He is grappling with the Republican Party’s prickly and demanding ideological blocs, particularly evangelical leaders and pro-Israel hawks. He is struggling to win over grass-roots activists in Iowa and New Hampshire, states he has visited only a handful of times. And Mr. Bush’s undisputed advantage — the millions of dollars streaming rapidly into his political organization — may not be enough to knock out other contenders.

For all the Republican “bundlers” who have signed up to raise money for Mr. Bush, others remain uncommitted or are hedging their bets by aiding more than one candidate. Some are privately chafing at what they view as the Bush camp’s presumption of their loyalty.

Other wealthy donors, mindful of their power to reshape the Republican race with “super PAC” donations, have been more direct: The casino magnate Sheldon Adelson recently made what two people briefed on it described as an “animated” call to one of Mr. Bush’s top supporters after former Secretary of State James A. Baker III, a Bush adviser, criticized Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel in a speech in March.

It is a far cry, party officials, activists and donors said, from the early success of George W. Bush, Mr. Bush’s brother, in securing the 2000 Republican presidential nomination.

For the Bush family, inevitability is not what it used to be. “There hasn’t been a coalescing around him like there was for his brother in 1998 and 1999,” said Ed Martin, who led the Missouri Republican Party until February and is now president of the Eagle Forum, the conservative group founded by Phyllis Schlafly. “I just don’t have a sense among big donors and Republican leaders that this is Jeb’s to lose.”

Aides have assured worried supporters that Mr. Bush, a former Florida governor, will spend more time on the stump, honing his message, cultivating grass-roots enthusiasm and winning over local leaders and ordinary Republican voters.


Source
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 05 2015 20:15 GMT
#36266
On April 06 2015 05:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Three months into what allies once confidently described as a “shock and awe” drive to overcome his rivals and dominate the Republican presidential field, Jeb Bush’s early campaigning looks like the juggernaut that wasn’t.

He is grappling with the Republican Party’s prickly and demanding ideological blocs, particularly evangelical leaders and pro-Israel hawks. He is struggling to win over grass-roots activists in Iowa and New Hampshire, states he has visited only a handful of times. And Mr. Bush’s undisputed advantage — the millions of dollars streaming rapidly into his political organization — may not be enough to knock out other contenders.

For all the Republican “bundlers” who have signed up to raise money for Mr. Bush, others remain uncommitted or are hedging their bets by aiding more than one candidate. Some are privately chafing at what they view as the Bush camp’s presumption of their loyalty.

Other wealthy donors, mindful of their power to reshape the Republican race with “super PAC” donations, have been more direct: The casino magnate Sheldon Adelson recently made what two people briefed on it described as an “animated” call to one of Mr. Bush’s top supporters after former Secretary of State James A. Baker III, a Bush adviser, criticized Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel in a speech in March.

It is a far cry, party officials, activists and donors said, from the early success of George W. Bush, Mr. Bush’s brother, in securing the 2000 Republican presidential nomination.

For the Bush family, inevitability is not what it used to be. “There hasn’t been a coalescing around him like there was for his brother in 1998 and 1999,” said Ed Martin, who led the Missouri Republican Party until February and is now president of the Eagle Forum, the conservative group founded by Phyllis Schlafly. “I just don’t have a sense among big donors and Republican leaders that this is Jeb’s to lose.”

Aides have assured worried supporters that Mr. Bush, a former Florida governor, will spend more time on the stump, honing his message, cultivating grass-roots enthusiasm and winning over local leaders and ordinary Republican voters.


Source


I'll buy that the the road to the nomination is a little harder because of PAC's, but this is the New York Times. They're blatantly ignoring that his competition is a joke.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-05 20:26:20
April 05 2015 20:25 GMT
#36267
On April 06 2015 05:04 Millitron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2015 04:45 Plansix wrote:
On April 06 2015 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 06 2015 00:32 oneofthem wrote:
why isn't the casual and flippant joke itself a part of behavior? how do you tell if someone is being serious?

cuz no fun allowed.

seriously, by most modern definition of racism, all comedians are racists, and sexist, cuz jokes.

Yes because going to a comedy show and working in a professional environment are the exact same thing. My co-workers and I enjoy off color humor just like everyone else, but it doesn't happen at the office.

Also, I question the judgment of anyone who sends off color jokes by email or text. You wouldn't but that in a letter or journal, so I don't like why email and personal texts are somehow a good idea.

If they were sent on their personal emails or phones, it's no different than an off-color joke in person.

I agree it's got no place at the office or on office-owned electronic devices.

It takes a special kind of stupid write things down that could get you fired and send them to other people so they no long control the all copies of what you sent. Personal phone or otherwise. It is amazingly stupid.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-05 21:30:16
April 05 2015 20:30 GMT
#36268
On April 06 2015 05:25 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2015 05:04 Millitron wrote:
On April 06 2015 04:45 Plansix wrote:
On April 06 2015 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 06 2015 00:32 oneofthem wrote:
why isn't the casual and flippant joke itself a part of behavior? how do you tell if someone is being serious?

cuz no fun allowed.

seriously, by most modern definition of racism, all comedians are racists, and sexist, cuz jokes.

Yes because going to a comedy show and working in a professional environment are the exact same thing. My co-workers and I enjoy off color humor just like everyone else, but it doesn't happen at the office.

Also, I question the judgment of anyone who sends off color jokes by email or text. You wouldn't but that in a letter or journal, so I don't like why email and personal texts are somehow a good idea.

If they were sent on their personal emails or phones, it's no different than an off-color joke in person.

I agree it's got no place at the office or on office-owned electronic devices.

It takes a special kind of stupid write things down that could get you fired and send them to other people so they no long control the all copies of what you sent. Personal phone or otherwise. It is amazingly stupid.

Ok, yeah I agree its pretty foolish. Since it was personal correspondence, I don't really think its inappropriate, but it's definitely not smart.

Maybe instead of getting up in arms about cops being racist, we should be up in arms that they'd be stupid enough to get caught being racist.
Who called in the fleet?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 05 2015 22:32 GMT
#36269
The number of Americans who view Israel as an ally of the United States has sharply decreased, according to a new poll published Thursday.

Only 54% of Americans polled said that Israel is their country's ally, a decline from 68% in 2014 and 74% in 2012.

Rasmussen Reports, who conducted the poll, said Israel had "tumbled down the list."

By contrast, 86% and 84% see Canada and Britain respectfully as the US's allies.

When broken down along party political lines, 76% of Republicans view Israel an ally of the US compared to only 45% of Democrats and 47% of Independents.

Strikingly, Democrats by a 10-point margin now see Mexico as a better ally than Israel.

The poll was conducted by Rasmussen Reports on March 29-30, and surveyed 800 American adults.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24134 Posts
April 05 2015 22:34 GMT
#36270
When broken down along party political lines, 76% of Republicans view Israel an ally of the US compared to only 45% of Democrats and 47% of Independents.


Interesting to see independents so far from Republicans there.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
April 05 2015 23:01 GMT
#36271
On April 06 2015 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
When broken down along party political lines, 76% of Republicans view Israel an ally of the US compared to only 45% of Democrats and 47% of Independents.


Interesting to see independents so far from Republicans there.

Its probably the bible belt causing that. Probably not many of them are Independent.
Who called in the fleet?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
April 05 2015 23:55 GMT
#36272
Those articles don't mention how the Saudis did in that Rasmussen poll, I'd quite like to hear how they did.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 06 2015 01:11 GMT
#36273
On April 06 2015 05:30 Millitron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2015 05:25 Plansix wrote:
On April 06 2015 05:04 Millitron wrote:
On April 06 2015 04:45 Plansix wrote:
On April 06 2015 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 06 2015 00:32 oneofthem wrote:
why isn't the casual and flippant joke itself a part of behavior? how do you tell if someone is being serious?

cuz no fun allowed.

seriously, by most modern definition of racism, all comedians are racists, and sexist, cuz jokes.

Yes because going to a comedy show and working in a professional environment are the exact same thing. My co-workers and I enjoy off color humor just like everyone else, but it doesn't happen at the office.

Also, I question the judgment of anyone who sends off color jokes by email or text. You wouldn't but that in a letter or journal, so I don't like why email and personal texts are somehow a good idea.

If they were sent on their personal emails or phones, it's no different than an off-color joke in person.

I agree it's got no place at the office or on office-owned electronic devices.

It takes a special kind of stupid write things down that could get you fired and send them to other people so they no long control the all copies of what you sent. Personal phone or otherwise. It is amazingly stupid.

Ok, yeah I agree its pretty foolish. Since it was personal correspondence, I don't really think its inappropriate, but it's definitely not smart.

Maybe instead of getting up in arms about cops being racist, we should be up in arms that they'd be stupid enough to get caught being racist.

why? cops being smart enough to hide their racism is even more dangerous.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
April 06 2015 01:12 GMT
#36274
On April 06 2015 07:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
The number of Americans who view Israel as an ally of the United States has sharply decreased, according to a new poll published Thursday.

Only 54% of Americans polled said that Israel is their country's ally, a decline from 68% in 2014 and 74% in 2012.

Rasmussen Reports, who conducted the poll, said Israel had "tumbled down the list."

By contrast, 86% and 84% see Canada and Britain respectfully as the US's allies.

When broken down along party political lines, 76% of Republicans view Israel an ally of the US compared to only 45% of Democrats and 47% of Independents.

Strikingly, Democrats by a 10-point margin now see Mexico as a better ally than Israel.

The poll was conducted by Rasmussen Reports on March 29-30, and surveyed 800 American adults.


Source


Wow, the magnitude of that shift is huge. It's not often you see perceptions change that quickly.

Honestly, it's probably Netanyahu that fucked that up real good. It's interesting that domestic politics can force a politician to sabotage his nation's relationship with it's most important long-term ally (which seems pretty bad for the long-term interests of said politician's nation).
I await the reminiscent nerd chills I will get when I hear a Korean broadcaster yell "WEEAAAAVVVVVUUUHHH" while watching Dota
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
April 06 2015 01:23 GMT
#36275
On April 06 2015 10:11 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2015 05:30 Millitron wrote:
On April 06 2015 05:25 Plansix wrote:
On April 06 2015 05:04 Millitron wrote:
On April 06 2015 04:45 Plansix wrote:
On April 06 2015 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 06 2015 00:32 oneofthem wrote:
why isn't the casual and flippant joke itself a part of behavior? how do you tell if someone is being serious?

cuz no fun allowed.

seriously, by most modern definition of racism, all comedians are racists, and sexist, cuz jokes.

Yes because going to a comedy show and working in a professional environment are the exact same thing. My co-workers and I enjoy off color humor just like everyone else, but it doesn't happen at the office.

Also, I question the judgment of anyone who sends off color jokes by email or text. You wouldn't but that in a letter or journal, so I don't like why email and personal texts are somehow a good idea.

If they were sent on their personal emails or phones, it's no different than an off-color joke in person.

I agree it's got no place at the office or on office-owned electronic devices.

It takes a special kind of stupid write things down that could get you fired and send them to other people so they no long control the all copies of what you sent. Personal phone or otherwise. It is amazingly stupid.

Ok, yeah I agree its pretty foolish. Since it was personal correspondence, I don't really think its inappropriate, but it's definitely not smart.

Maybe instead of getting up in arms about cops being racist, we should be up in arms that they'd be stupid enough to get caught being racist.

why? cops being smart enough to hide their racism is even more dangerous.

'tis was a joke
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 06 2015 01:26 GMT
#36276
On April 06 2015 10:23 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2015 10:11 oneofthem wrote:
On April 06 2015 05:30 Millitron wrote:
On April 06 2015 05:25 Plansix wrote:
On April 06 2015 05:04 Millitron wrote:
On April 06 2015 04:45 Plansix wrote:
On April 06 2015 03:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 06 2015 00:32 oneofthem wrote:
why isn't the casual and flippant joke itself a part of behavior? how do you tell if someone is being serious?

cuz no fun allowed.

seriously, by most modern definition of racism, all comedians are racists, and sexist, cuz jokes.

Yes because going to a comedy show and working in a professional environment are the exact same thing. My co-workers and I enjoy off color humor just like everyone else, but it doesn't happen at the office.

Also, I question the judgment of anyone who sends off color jokes by email or text. You wouldn't but that in a letter or journal, so I don't like why email and personal texts are somehow a good idea.

If they were sent on their personal emails or phones, it's no different than an off-color joke in person.

I agree it's got no place at the office or on office-owned electronic devices.

It takes a special kind of stupid write things down that could get you fired and send them to other people so they no long control the all copies of what you sent. Personal phone or otherwise. It is amazingly stupid.

Ok, yeah I agree its pretty foolish. Since it was personal correspondence, I don't really think its inappropriate, but it's definitely not smart.

Maybe instead of getting up in arms about cops being racist, we should be up in arms that they'd be stupid enough to get caught being racist.

why? cops being smart enough to hide their racism is even more dangerous.

'tis was a joke

no it was not.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
April 06 2015 01:29 GMT
#36277
I'm betting his left ball on it being a joke
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 06 2015 01:30 GMT
#36278
hoep you are a girl.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
April 06 2015 01:40 GMT
#36279
I'm not, that's why betting HIS balls and not mine. I'm not that crazy
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
April 06 2015 01:44 GMT
#36280
It was sarcasm, I think.
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