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On February 04 2015 11:00 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 10:45 Falling wrote:On February 04 2015 10:36 Mindcrime wrote:On February 03 2015 14:53 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 03 2015 14:25 GreenHorizons wrote:
What's with Christie and Rand Paul hopping on the vaccination crazy train? Seems especially weird after how Christie went all Outbreak on the woman who didn't have Ebola. I saw Rand Paul on CNBC and he wasn't anti-vaccine. but he was pro child-owning I haven't listened the Paul quote in question, but I suspect this is an uncharitable interpretation. There is a reasonable concern over state intrusion into child-rearing. It may be misapplied in the particular case of anti-vaccinations, but I feel like 'pro child-owning' is more snark/ gotcha then an actual point. Snark, sure, but it is absolutely what he said. Word for word: "The state doesn't own our children. Parents own the children." 2:08
Hm, well then poorly worded on the part of Paul, but the underlying sentiment of family trumping state in child-rearing isn't so odd, I don't think.
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yea i wouldnt read too much into that.
rand paul is still a bit of a whacko though.
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Hilary doing the world's most obvious thing ever by going on the attack. There's no way this vaccine thing ends up well for republicans.
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President Barack Obama is using his budget to take on some of the most loathed people in sports — team owners threatening to bolt town if taxpayers don’t help build a new stadium — and it could put Republicans in a tough spot.
The budget proposal released on Monday would eliminate tax benefits that make it easier for cities to raise money for new, luxurious sports facilities.
These tax breaks have funded billions in stadiums and arenas, including almost $1 billion of tax-exempt debt for the new Yankee Stadium and about $325 million of tax-exempt debt for the Dallas Cowboys’ $1.3 billion stadium.
Lawmakers routinely bless these deals to shield their cities and states from the national embarrassment of watching their teams move out of town.
Obama’s proposal is unlikely to become law, but it may be more designed to spark a political debate that would force Republicans to decide whether they want to stand up for a tax break that some conservatives deride as a corporate handout.
The issue is already causing headaches for Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who is mulling over a presidential bid, based on his conservative record.
Last week, he proposed issuing $220 million of state-backed debt for a new arena for the Milwaukee Bucks basketball team.
Source
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On February 04 2015 10:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote:On February 04 2015 03:38 JonnyBNoHo wrote:CNBC does non-scripted interviews, which tends to lead to a lot of derp comments. I wouldn't read into it too much. He said very firmly that he thinks vaccines are great. Calling him anti-vaccine sounds like going down the path of 'Obama is a muslim communist'. Anyways, from the CDC: + Show Spoiler +MMR vaccine side-effects
(Measles, Mumps, and Rubella)
What are the risks from MMR vaccine?
A vaccine, like any medicine, is capable of causing serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions.
The risk of MMR vaccine causing serious harm, or death, is extremely small.
Getting MMR vaccine is much safer than getting measles, mumps or rubella.
Most people who get MMR vaccine do not have any serious problems with it.
Mild Problems
Fever (up to 1 person out of 6)
Mild rash (about 1 person out of 20)
Swelling of glands in the cheeks or neck (about 1 person out of 75)
If these problems occur, it is usually within 7-12 days after the shot. They occur less often after the second dose.
Moderate Problems
Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)
Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)
Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)
Severe Problems (Very Rare)
Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)
Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, including:
Deafness
Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
Permanent brain damage
These are so rare that it is hard to tell whether they are caused by the vaccine. While 'vaccines cause autism' isn't proven, it's not fair to say that they're 100% safe either. the charge isn't that he's anti-vax but he is entertaining the anti-vax position, which is very very far from the CDC info you posted. Eh... in like one fragment of one sentence, sure. He tried to clarify his point today anyways: Show nested quote + "I did not say vaccines caused disorders, just that they were temporally related—I did not allege causation. I support vaccines, I receive them myself and I had all of my children vaccinated. In fact, today I received the booster shot for the vaccines I got when I went to Guatemala last year," Paul said in the statement. Link
dude's clearly backtracking.
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On February 04 2015 11:32 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 10:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 04 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote:On February 04 2015 03:38 JonnyBNoHo wrote:CNBC does non-scripted interviews, which tends to lead to a lot of derp comments. I wouldn't read into it too much. He said very firmly that he thinks vaccines are great. Calling him anti-vaccine sounds like going down the path of 'Obama is a muslim communist'. Anyways, from the CDC: + Show Spoiler +MMR vaccine side-effects
(Measles, Mumps, and Rubella)
What are the risks from MMR vaccine?
A vaccine, like any medicine, is capable of causing serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions.
The risk of MMR vaccine causing serious harm, or death, is extremely small.
Getting MMR vaccine is much safer than getting measles, mumps or rubella.
Most people who get MMR vaccine do not have any serious problems with it.
Mild Problems
Fever (up to 1 person out of 6)
Mild rash (about 1 person out of 20)
Swelling of glands in the cheeks or neck (about 1 person out of 75)
If these problems occur, it is usually within 7-12 days after the shot. They occur less often after the second dose.
Moderate Problems
Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)
Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)
Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)
Severe Problems (Very Rare)
Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)
Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, including:
Deafness
Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
Permanent brain damage
These are so rare that it is hard to tell whether they are caused by the vaccine. While 'vaccines cause autism' isn't proven, it's not fair to say that they're 100% safe either. the charge isn't that he's anti-vax but he is entertaining the anti-vax position, which is very very far from the CDC info you posted. Eh... in like one fragment of one sentence, sure. He tried to clarify his point today anyways: "I did not say vaccines caused disorders, just that they were temporally related—I did not allege causation. I support vaccines, I receive them myself and I had all of my children vaccinated. In fact, today I received the booster shot for the vaccines I got when I went to Guatemala last year," Paul said in the statement. Link dude's clearly backtracking.
LOL
"I was simply mentioning these two completely unrelated things one after another"
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A bill funding the Department of Homeland Security failed in the Senate Tuesday because it would block the president's executive action on deportations. The question now is, what will Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell try next?
The department runs out of money on Feb. 27. Texas senator and potential presidential candidate Ted Cruz insists DHS not get any money unless Republicans get to undo the president's immigration policies. That places McConnell in a dilemma — how does he placate Cruz and his allies while avoiding a shutdown of the agency?
Republican Cruz has vowed he will stop at nothing to block the president's executive action on immigration. And when you ask him exactly how he intends to do that, he says it's already in writing. Go look it up.
"I wrote a long op-ed two months ago, laying [out] precisely what we should do. We should use the power of confirmations and we should use the power of the purse," Cruz said as he slipped into an elevator at the Capitol.
His op-ed argues those are the two ways to defeat the president's executive action. Block all nominations, except those vital to national security. And deny funding for Obama's plan to defer deportations for some 5 million immigrants living here illegally.
Problem for Cruz is, he can't actually make either proposal happen.
"If you're a coalition of one or five, you can gum up the works for a little bit of time, but it's very hard to grind the Senate to a halt," said Sarah Binder of the Brookings Institution.
Source
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On February 04 2015 11:32 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 10:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 04 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote:On February 04 2015 03:38 JonnyBNoHo wrote:CNBC does non-scripted interviews, which tends to lead to a lot of derp comments. I wouldn't read into it too much. He said very firmly that he thinks vaccines are great. Calling him anti-vaccine sounds like going down the path of 'Obama is a muslim communist'. Anyways, from the CDC: + Show Spoiler +MMR vaccine side-effects
(Measles, Mumps, and Rubella)
What are the risks from MMR vaccine?
A vaccine, like any medicine, is capable of causing serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions.
The risk of MMR vaccine causing serious harm, or death, is extremely small.
Getting MMR vaccine is much safer than getting measles, mumps or rubella.
Most people who get MMR vaccine do not have any serious problems with it.
Mild Problems
Fever (up to 1 person out of 6)
Mild rash (about 1 person out of 20)
Swelling of glands in the cheeks or neck (about 1 person out of 75)
If these problems occur, it is usually within 7-12 days after the shot. They occur less often after the second dose.
Moderate Problems
Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)
Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)
Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)
Severe Problems (Very Rare)
Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)
Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, including:
Deafness
Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
Permanent brain damage
These are so rare that it is hard to tell whether they are caused by the vaccine. While 'vaccines cause autism' isn't proven, it's not fair to say that they're 100% safe either. the charge isn't that he's anti-vax but he is entertaining the anti-vax position, which is very very far from the CDC info you posted. Eh... in like one fragment of one sentence, sure. He tried to clarify his point today anyways: "I did not say vaccines caused disorders, just that they were temporally related—I did not allege causation. I support vaccines, I receive them myself and I had all of my children vaccinated. In fact, today I received the booster shot for the vaccines I got when I went to Guatemala last year," Paul said in the statement. Link dude's clearly backtracking.
Not really. Did you watch the interview? He said many times that vaccines are great. I expect better of you man.
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On February 04 2015 11:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 11:32 oneofthem wrote:On February 04 2015 10:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 04 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote:On February 04 2015 03:38 JonnyBNoHo wrote:CNBC does non-scripted interviews, which tends to lead to a lot of derp comments. I wouldn't read into it too much. He said very firmly that he thinks vaccines are great. Calling him anti-vaccine sounds like going down the path of 'Obama is a muslim communist'. Anyways, from the CDC: + Show Spoiler +MMR vaccine side-effects
(Measles, Mumps, and Rubella)
What are the risks from MMR vaccine?
A vaccine, like any medicine, is capable of causing serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions.
The risk of MMR vaccine causing serious harm, or death, is extremely small.
Getting MMR vaccine is much safer than getting measles, mumps or rubella.
Most people who get MMR vaccine do not have any serious problems with it.
Mild Problems
Fever (up to 1 person out of 6)
Mild rash (about 1 person out of 20)
Swelling of glands in the cheeks or neck (about 1 person out of 75)
If these problems occur, it is usually within 7-12 days after the shot. They occur less often after the second dose.
Moderate Problems
Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)
Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)
Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)
Severe Problems (Very Rare)
Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)
Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, including:
Deafness
Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
Permanent brain damage
These are so rare that it is hard to tell whether they are caused by the vaccine. While 'vaccines cause autism' isn't proven, it's not fair to say that they're 100% safe either. the charge isn't that he's anti-vax but he is entertaining the anti-vax position, which is very very far from the CDC info you posted. Eh... in like one fragment of one sentence, sure. He tried to clarify his point today anyways: "I did not say vaccines caused disorders, just that they were temporally related—I did not allege causation. I support vaccines, I receive them myself and I had all of my children vaccinated. In fact, today I received the booster shot for the vaccines I got when I went to Guatemala last year," Paul said in the statement. Link dude's clearly backtracking. Not really. Did you watch the interview? He said many times that vaccines are great. I expect better of you man.
Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders.
You are consistently refusing to recognize what he said about mental disorders.
I'll repost it:
"I have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines,"
Direct quote. Whether he says they are good or not is irrelevant to the point you are avoiding. "Many" tragic cases. He lied by saying he has heard of these cases because it's not real. How are you not getting this?
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On February 04 2015 11:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +A bill funding the Department of Homeland Security failed in the Senate Tuesday because it would block the president's executive action on deportations. The question now is, what will Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell try next?
The department runs out of money on Feb. 27. Texas senator and potential presidential candidate Ted Cruz insists DHS not get any money unless Republicans get to undo the president's immigration policies. That places McConnell in a dilemma — how does he placate Cruz and his allies while avoiding a shutdown of the agency?
Republican Cruz has vowed he will stop at nothing to block the president's executive action on immigration. And when you ask him exactly how he intends to do that, he says it's already in writing. Go look it up.
"I wrote a long op-ed two months ago, laying [out] precisely what we should do. We should use the power of confirmations and we should use the power of the purse," Cruz said as he slipped into an elevator at the Capitol.
His op-ed argues those are the two ways to defeat the president's executive action. Block all nominations, except those vital to national security. And deny funding for Obama's plan to defer deportations for some 5 million immigrants living here illegally.
Problem for Cruz is, he can't actually make either proposal happen.
"If you're a coalition of one or five, you can gum up the works for a little bit of time, but it's very hard to grind the Senate to a halt," said Sarah Binder of the Brookings Institution. Source
Congressional leadership has confirmations and the power of the purse. We've already heard McConnell surrender one of those options, not good. I don't see either house or senate stopping this, the response has just been too tepid. Republicans will suffer a big hit not delivering on campaign promises and the dearth of leadership will continue. Outside chance of renegade tea party types bailing on Boehner in big enough numbers to force him into action.
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On February 04 2015 11:14 Mohdoo wrote:
Hilary doing the world's most obvious thing ever by going on the attack. There's no way this vaccine thing ends up well for republicans.
While I understand Republicans trying to frame the argument as Gov't encroaching on parental rights, they could have easily of fought this exact same ideology under a different guise, such as education (home schooling, or religious schooling).
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On February 04 2015 11:46 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 11:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 04 2015 11:32 oneofthem wrote:On February 04 2015 10:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 04 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote:On February 04 2015 03:38 JonnyBNoHo wrote:CNBC does non-scripted interviews, which tends to lead to a lot of derp comments. I wouldn't read into it too much. He said very firmly that he thinks vaccines are great. Calling him anti-vaccine sounds like going down the path of 'Obama is a muslim communist'. Anyways, from the CDC: + Show Spoiler +MMR vaccine side-effects
(Measles, Mumps, and Rubella)
What are the risks from MMR vaccine?
A vaccine, like any medicine, is capable of causing serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions.
The risk of MMR vaccine causing serious harm, or death, is extremely small.
Getting MMR vaccine is much safer than getting measles, mumps or rubella.
Most people who get MMR vaccine do not have any serious problems with it.
Mild Problems
Fever (up to 1 person out of 6)
Mild rash (about 1 person out of 20)
Swelling of glands in the cheeks or neck (about 1 person out of 75)
If these problems occur, it is usually within 7-12 days after the shot. They occur less often after the second dose.
Moderate Problems
Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)
Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)
Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)
Severe Problems (Very Rare)
Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)
Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, including:
Deafness
Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
Permanent brain damage
These are so rare that it is hard to tell whether they are caused by the vaccine. While 'vaccines cause autism' isn't proven, it's not fair to say that they're 100% safe either. the charge isn't that he's anti-vax but he is entertaining the anti-vax position, which is very very far from the CDC info you posted. Eh... in like one fragment of one sentence, sure. He tried to clarify his point today anyways: "I did not say vaccines caused disorders, just that they were temporally related—I did not allege causation. I support vaccines, I receive them myself and I had all of my children vaccinated. In fact, today I received the booster shot for the vaccines I got when I went to Guatemala last year," Paul said in the statement. Link dude's clearly backtracking. Not really. Did you watch the interview? He said many times that vaccines are great. I expect better of you man. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. You are consistently refusing to recognize what he said about mental disorders. I'll repost it: "I have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines," Direct quote. Whether he says they are good or not is irrelevant to the point you are avoiding. "Many" tragic cases. He lied by saying he has heard of these cases because it's not real. How are you not getting this?
Nice tantrum bro 
I know what he said. Children developing mental disorders after vaccination is almost certainly a true statement, since vaccination happens at a young age and mental disorders often take time to either be noticed or manifest. There's also an implied causality there which he later pointed out isn't what he meant.
The guy made a poor reference and later corrected himself for it. That happens to everyone, and trying to take a dump on the guy over it is just trollish.
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Hey guys, Rand is a doctor.
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On February 04 2015 12:15 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 11:46 Mohdoo wrote:On February 04 2015 11:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 04 2015 11:32 oneofthem wrote:On February 04 2015 10:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 04 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote:On February 04 2015 03:38 JonnyBNoHo wrote:CNBC does non-scripted interviews, which tends to lead to a lot of derp comments. I wouldn't read into it too much. He said very firmly that he thinks vaccines are great. Calling him anti-vaccine sounds like going down the path of 'Obama is a muslim communist'. Anyways, from the CDC: + Show Spoiler +MMR vaccine side-effects
(Measles, Mumps, and Rubella)
What are the risks from MMR vaccine?
A vaccine, like any medicine, is capable of causing serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions.
The risk of MMR vaccine causing serious harm, or death, is extremely small.
Getting MMR vaccine is much safer than getting measles, mumps or rubella.
Most people who get MMR vaccine do not have any serious problems with it.
Mild Problems
Fever (up to 1 person out of 6)
Mild rash (about 1 person out of 20)
Swelling of glands in the cheeks or neck (about 1 person out of 75)
If these problems occur, it is usually within 7-12 days after the shot. They occur less often after the second dose.
Moderate Problems
Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)
Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)
Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)
Severe Problems (Very Rare)
Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)
Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, including:
Deafness
Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
Permanent brain damage
These are so rare that it is hard to tell whether they are caused by the vaccine. While 'vaccines cause autism' isn't proven, it's not fair to say that they're 100% safe either. the charge isn't that he's anti-vax but he is entertaining the anti-vax position, which is very very far from the CDC info you posted. Eh... in like one fragment of one sentence, sure. He tried to clarify his point today anyways: "I did not say vaccines caused disorders, just that they were temporally related—I did not allege causation. I support vaccines, I receive them myself and I had all of my children vaccinated. In fact, today I received the booster shot for the vaccines I got when I went to Guatemala last year," Paul said in the statement. Link dude's clearly backtracking. Not really. Did you watch the interview? He said many times that vaccines are great. I expect better of you man. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. You are consistently refusing to recognize what he said about mental disorders. I'll repost it: "I have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines," Direct quote. Whether he says they are good or not is irrelevant to the point you are avoiding. "Many" tragic cases. He lied by saying he has heard of these cases because it's not real. How are you not getting this? Nice tantrum bro I know what he said. Children developing mental disorders after vaccination is almost certainly a true statement, since vaccination happens at a young age and mental disorders often take time to either be noticed or manifest. There's also an implied causality there which he later pointed out isn't what he meant. The guy made a poor reference and later corrected himself for it. That happens to everyone, and trying to take a dump on the guy over it is just trollish.
Are you actually saying that you believe him when he says that wasn't what he originally meant? In what world would mentioning mental disorders ever have any relevance other than a causation relationship?
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On February 04 2015 12:40 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 12:15 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 04 2015 11:46 Mohdoo wrote:On February 04 2015 11:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 04 2015 11:32 oneofthem wrote:On February 04 2015 10:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 04 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote:On February 04 2015 03:38 JonnyBNoHo wrote:CNBC does non-scripted interviews, which tends to lead to a lot of derp comments. I wouldn't read into it too much. He said very firmly that he thinks vaccines are great. Calling him anti-vaccine sounds like going down the path of 'Obama is a muslim communist'. Anyways, from the CDC: + Show Spoiler +MMR vaccine side-effects
(Measles, Mumps, and Rubella)
What are the risks from MMR vaccine?
A vaccine, like any medicine, is capable of causing serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions.
The risk of MMR vaccine causing serious harm, or death, is extremely small.
Getting MMR vaccine is much safer than getting measles, mumps or rubella.
Most people who get MMR vaccine do not have any serious problems with it.
Mild Problems
Fever (up to 1 person out of 6)
Mild rash (about 1 person out of 20)
Swelling of glands in the cheeks or neck (about 1 person out of 75)
If these problems occur, it is usually within 7-12 days after the shot. They occur less often after the second dose.
Moderate Problems
Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)
Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)
Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)
Severe Problems (Very Rare)
Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)
Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, including:
Deafness
Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
Permanent brain damage
These are so rare that it is hard to tell whether they are caused by the vaccine. While 'vaccines cause autism' isn't proven, it's not fair to say that they're 100% safe either. the charge isn't that he's anti-vax but he is entertaining the anti-vax position, which is very very far from the CDC info you posted. Eh... in like one fragment of one sentence, sure. He tried to clarify his point today anyways: "I did not say vaccines caused disorders, just that they were temporally related—I did not allege causation. I support vaccines, I receive them myself and I had all of my children vaccinated. In fact, today I received the booster shot for the vaccines I got when I went to Guatemala last year," Paul said in the statement. Link dude's clearly backtracking. Not really. Did you watch the interview? He said many times that vaccines are great. I expect better of you man. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. You are consistently refusing to recognize what he said about mental disorders. I'll repost it: "I have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines," Direct quote. Whether he says they are good or not is irrelevant to the point you are avoiding. "Many" tragic cases. He lied by saying he has heard of these cases because it's not real. How are you not getting this? Nice tantrum bro I know what he said. Children developing mental disorders after vaccination is almost certainly a true statement, since vaccination happens at a young age and mental disorders often take time to either be noticed or manifest. There's also an implied causality there which he later pointed out isn't what he meant. The guy made a poor reference and later corrected himself for it. That happens to everyone, and trying to take a dump on the guy over it is just trollish. Are you actually saying that you believe him when he says that wasn't what he originally meant? In what world would mentioning mental disorders ever have any relevance other than a causation relationship?
It's quite obvious he meant it differently from the way you've interpreted and tortured it to look like.
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On February 04 2015 12:45 coverpunch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 12:40 Mohdoo wrote:On February 04 2015 12:15 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 04 2015 11:46 Mohdoo wrote:On February 04 2015 11:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 04 2015 11:32 oneofthem wrote:On February 04 2015 10:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 04 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote:On February 04 2015 03:38 JonnyBNoHo wrote:CNBC does non-scripted interviews, which tends to lead to a lot of derp comments. I wouldn't read into it too much. He said very firmly that he thinks vaccines are great. Calling him anti-vaccine sounds like going down the path of 'Obama is a muslim communist'. Anyways, from the CDC: + Show Spoiler +MMR vaccine side-effects
(Measles, Mumps, and Rubella)
What are the risks from MMR vaccine?
A vaccine, like any medicine, is capable of causing serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions.
The risk of MMR vaccine causing serious harm, or death, is extremely small.
Getting MMR vaccine is much safer than getting measles, mumps or rubella.
Most people who get MMR vaccine do not have any serious problems with it.
Mild Problems
Fever (up to 1 person out of 6)
Mild rash (about 1 person out of 20)
Swelling of glands in the cheeks or neck (about 1 person out of 75)
If these problems occur, it is usually within 7-12 days after the shot. They occur less often after the second dose.
Moderate Problems
Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)
Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)
Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)
Severe Problems (Very Rare)
Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)
Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, including:
Deafness
Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
Permanent brain damage
These are so rare that it is hard to tell whether they are caused by the vaccine. While 'vaccines cause autism' isn't proven, it's not fair to say that they're 100% safe either. the charge isn't that he's anti-vax but he is entertaining the anti-vax position, which is very very far from the CDC info you posted. Eh... in like one fragment of one sentence, sure. He tried to clarify his point today anyways: "I did not say vaccines caused disorders, just that they were temporally related—I did not allege causation. I support vaccines, I receive them myself and I had all of my children vaccinated. In fact, today I received the booster shot for the vaccines I got when I went to Guatemala last year," Paul said in the statement. Link dude's clearly backtracking. Not really. Did you watch the interview? He said many times that vaccines are great. I expect better of you man. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. You are consistently refusing to recognize what he said about mental disorders. I'll repost it: "I have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines," Direct quote. Whether he says they are good or not is irrelevant to the point you are avoiding. "Many" tragic cases. He lied by saying he has heard of these cases because it's not real. How are you not getting this? Nice tantrum bro I know what he said. Children developing mental disorders after vaccination is almost certainly a true statement, since vaccination happens at a young age and mental disorders often take time to either be noticed or manifest. There's also an implied causality there which he later pointed out isn't what he meant. The guy made a poor reference and later corrected himself for it. That happens to everyone, and trying to take a dump on the guy over it is just trollish. Are you actually saying that you believe him when he says that wasn't what he originally meant? In what world would mentioning mental disorders ever have any relevance other than a causation relationship? It's quite obvious he meant it differently from the way you've interpreted and tortured it to look like.
So what exactly is it you think he meant?
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On February 04 2015 12:45 coverpunch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 12:40 Mohdoo wrote:On February 04 2015 12:15 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 04 2015 11:46 Mohdoo wrote:On February 04 2015 11:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 04 2015 11:32 oneofthem wrote:On February 04 2015 10:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 04 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote:On February 04 2015 03:38 JonnyBNoHo wrote:CNBC does non-scripted interviews, which tends to lead to a lot of derp comments. I wouldn't read into it too much. He said very firmly that he thinks vaccines are great. Calling him anti-vaccine sounds like going down the path of 'Obama is a muslim communist'. Anyways, from the CDC: + Show Spoiler +MMR vaccine side-effects
(Measles, Mumps, and Rubella)
What are the risks from MMR vaccine?
A vaccine, like any medicine, is capable of causing serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions.
The risk of MMR vaccine causing serious harm, or death, is extremely small.
Getting MMR vaccine is much safer than getting measles, mumps or rubella.
Most people who get MMR vaccine do not have any serious problems with it.
Mild Problems
Fever (up to 1 person out of 6)
Mild rash (about 1 person out of 20)
Swelling of glands in the cheeks or neck (about 1 person out of 75)
If these problems occur, it is usually within 7-12 days after the shot. They occur less often after the second dose.
Moderate Problems
Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)
Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)
Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)
Severe Problems (Very Rare)
Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)
Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, including:
Deafness
Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
Permanent brain damage
These are so rare that it is hard to tell whether they are caused by the vaccine. While 'vaccines cause autism' isn't proven, it's not fair to say that they're 100% safe either. the charge isn't that he's anti-vax but he is entertaining the anti-vax position, which is very very far from the CDC info you posted. Eh... in like one fragment of one sentence, sure. He tried to clarify his point today anyways: "I did not say vaccines caused disorders, just that they were temporally related—I did not allege causation. I support vaccines, I receive them myself and I had all of my children vaccinated. In fact, today I received the booster shot for the vaccines I got when I went to Guatemala last year," Paul said in the statement. Link dude's clearly backtracking. Not really. Did you watch the interview? He said many times that vaccines are great. I expect better of you man. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. You are consistently refusing to recognize what he said about mental disorders. I'll repost it: "I have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines," Direct quote. Whether he says they are good or not is irrelevant to the point you are avoiding. "Many" tragic cases. He lied by saying he has heard of these cases because it's not real. How are you not getting this? Nice tantrum bro I know what he said. Children developing mental disorders after vaccination is almost certainly a true statement, since vaccination happens at a young age and mental disorders often take time to either be noticed or manifest. There's also an implied causality there which he later pointed out isn't what he meant. The guy made a poor reference and later corrected himself for it. That happens to everyone, and trying to take a dump on the guy over it is just trollish. Are you actually saying that you believe him when he says that wasn't what he originally meant? In what world would mentioning mental disorders ever have any relevance other than a causation relationship? It's quite obvious he meant it differently from the way you've interpreted and tortured it to look like.
Not sure if serious.
If this was the case he could have just as well mentioned "i've heard many stories of children who got vaccinated that wear shoes."
see how silly that sounds? the obvious implication in his statement was vaccination could lead to mental disorder. Obviously he's trying to step back cuz of the public blowback at the anti-vaccination crowd.
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that 'i didn't mean causation' bit is just hilariously obvious backpedaling you guys must not be serious.
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haha he called you a troll having a tantrum
obv johnny is using the strongest arguments in the book just give up
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On February 04 2015 12:40 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 12:15 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 04 2015 11:46 Mohdoo wrote:On February 04 2015 11:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 04 2015 11:32 oneofthem wrote:On February 04 2015 10:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 04 2015 04:19 oneofthem wrote:On February 04 2015 03:38 JonnyBNoHo wrote:CNBC does non-scripted interviews, which tends to lead to a lot of derp comments. I wouldn't read into it too much. He said very firmly that he thinks vaccines are great. Calling him anti-vaccine sounds like going down the path of 'Obama is a muslim communist'. Anyways, from the CDC: + Show Spoiler +MMR vaccine side-effects
(Measles, Mumps, and Rubella)
What are the risks from MMR vaccine?
A vaccine, like any medicine, is capable of causing serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions.
The risk of MMR vaccine causing serious harm, or death, is extremely small.
Getting MMR vaccine is much safer than getting measles, mumps or rubella.
Most people who get MMR vaccine do not have any serious problems with it.
Mild Problems
Fever (up to 1 person out of 6)
Mild rash (about 1 person out of 20)
Swelling of glands in the cheeks or neck (about 1 person out of 75)
If these problems occur, it is usually within 7-12 days after the shot. They occur less often after the second dose.
Moderate Problems
Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)
Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)
Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)
Severe Problems (Very Rare)
Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)
Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, including:
Deafness
Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
Permanent brain damage
These are so rare that it is hard to tell whether they are caused by the vaccine. While 'vaccines cause autism' isn't proven, it's not fair to say that they're 100% safe either. the charge isn't that he's anti-vax but he is entertaining the anti-vax position, which is very very far from the CDC info you posted. Eh... in like one fragment of one sentence, sure. He tried to clarify his point today anyways: "I did not say vaccines caused disorders, just that they were temporally related—I did not allege causation. I support vaccines, I receive them myself and I had all of my children vaccinated. In fact, today I received the booster shot for the vaccines I got when I went to Guatemala last year," Paul said in the statement. Link dude's clearly backtracking. Not really. Did you watch the interview? He said many times that vaccines are great. I expect better of you man. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. Mental disorders. You are consistently refusing to recognize what he said about mental disorders. I'll repost it: "I have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines," Direct quote. Whether he says they are good or not is irrelevant to the point you are avoiding. "Many" tragic cases. He lied by saying he has heard of these cases because it's not real. How are you not getting this? Nice tantrum bro I know what he said. Children developing mental disorders after vaccination is almost certainly a true statement, since vaccination happens at a young age and mental disorders often take time to either be noticed or manifest. There's also an implied causality there which he later pointed out isn't what he meant. The guy made a poor reference and later corrected himself for it. That happens to everyone, and trying to take a dump on the guy over it is just trollish. Are you actually saying that you believe him when he says that wasn't what he originally meant? In what world would mentioning mental disorders ever have any relevance other than a causation relationship?
He's acknowledging other people's concerns more than anything else. Right after he made that comment he put his hands up and clarified that he wasn't saying that vaccines are bad.
Here's Obama on the campaign trail in 2008:
"We've seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it's connected to the vaccines. This person included. [Points to someone in the audience.] The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it. We can't afford to junk our vaccine system, we have to figure out what's happening." --Barack Obama, Pennsylvania Rally, April 21, 2008.
Will you be just as uncharitable to Obama?
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