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Andrew Cuomo Meets With Admitted Former Crack Dealer Jay-Z to Discuss Police Policy
When you need advice on a subject, you go to an expert.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D-N.Y.) did just that when he had a policy meeting on the subject of how cops enforce the laws with hip-hop mogul Jay Z — who earned most of his expertise in crime as a crack dealer.
In addition to his rap boasts about drug dealing, his criminal justice experience includes being charged with stabbing people and bashing them on their heads with bottles at his favorite city nightclubs.
Sorry, what are you complaining about? I couldn't tell what the two guests were saying while they were yelling. Was it something in there?
It's the painting of Jay-Z as nothing more than a violent 'former crack dealer' that is ridiculous. Fox wouldn't introduce Ted Nugent as "Self-proclaimed child rapist...Ted Nugent"...? Although Nugent hasn't ever really admitted to thinking his pedophilia (or incest) was wrong...
On December 14 2014 08:12 WhiteDog wrote: There are better icone than Jay-Z tho. The only thing he has for him is that he made money.
He does a lot of work in the community and around the world. He and his foundation have paid for hundreds of students to go to college all over the country, he's donated millions, etc...
That being said, yes there are other choices, but its not as if he spoke with Jay-Z exclusively.
Andrew Cuomo Meets With Admitted Former Crack Dealer Jay-Z to Discuss Police Policy
When you need advice on a subject, you go to an expert.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D-N.Y.) did just that when he had a policy meeting on the subject of how cops enforce the laws with hip-hop mogul Jay Z — who earned most of his expertise in crime as a crack dealer.
In addition to his rap boasts about drug dealing, his criminal justice experience includes being charged with stabbing people and bashing them on their heads with bottles at his favorite city nightclubs.
Sorry, what are you complaining about? I couldn't tell what the two guests were saying while they were yelling. Was it something in there?
It's the painting of Jay-Z as nothing more than a violent 'former crack dealer' that is ridiculous. Fox wouldn't introduce Ted Nugent as "Self-proclaimed child rapist...Ted Nugent"...? Although Nugent hasn't ever really admitted to thinking his pedophilia (or incest) was wrong...
The same type of racial/political hypocrisy can be demonstrated with the treatment of Common vs Nugent.
I think you're trying way too hard to make race an issue. It's a bit weird to hire JayZ for basically a photo OP on policing when he sings about breaking the law. If he were white, it would be just as weird. I'm sure you can find videos of whites being introduced with their criminal history in focus, or blacks without the focus falling there.
nah, identifying blacks as 'from the hood' is very common and not limited to fox. go look at the msg boards of nypd etc. it is choke full of stuff talking about 'can't remove the hood from some people' commentary.
and obviously that's a very racialized way of looking at people.
Andrew Cuomo Meets With Admitted Former Crack Dealer Jay-Z to Discuss Police Policy
When you need advice on a subject, you go to an expert.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D-N.Y.) did just that when he had a policy meeting on the subject of how cops enforce the laws with hip-hop mogul Jay Z — who earned most of his expertise in crime as a crack dealer.
In addition to his rap boasts about drug dealing, his criminal justice experience includes being charged with stabbing people and bashing them on their heads with bottles at his favorite city nightclubs.
Sorry, what are you complaining about? I couldn't tell what the two guests were saying while they were yelling. Was it something in there?
It's the painting of Jay-Z as nothing more than a violent 'former crack dealer' that is ridiculous. Fox wouldn't introduce Ted Nugent as "Self-proclaimed child rapist...Ted Nugent"...? Although Nugent hasn't ever really admitted to thinking his pedophilia (or incest) was wrong...
The same type of racial/political hypocrisy can be demonstrated with the treatment of Common vs Nugent.
I think you're trying way too hard to make race an issue. It's a bit weird to hire JayZ for basically a photo OP on policing when he sings about breaking the law. If he were white, it would be just as weird. I'm sure you can find videos of whites being introduced with their criminal history in focus, or blacks without the focus falling there.
Just because something isn't exclusively a race issue doesn't mean race doesn't play an important role. What do you mean "hire"? He raps about a lot of things. He raps about what he did to get where he is. He doesn't rap about currently breaking the law. Selling illicit substances built/maintained a lot of white fortunes too. They just tend to not talk about it.
Also come on... Hannity uses Mark Furman all the time for racially charged subjects without mentioning this tidbit...
"It is important to understand that, as a result of these charges, this plea and this sentence, Mark Fuhrman is now a convicted felon and will forever be branded a liar," said California Atty. Gen. Dan Lungren.
"By pleading to a felony, Mr. Fuhrman will never be a police officer in the State of California again," Lungren added. "He is also now the ultimate impeachable witness--a convicted perjurer."
...he committed perjury when he said he hadn't uttered a racial epithet in the previous decade.
Andrew Cuomo Meets With Admitted Former Crack Dealer Jay-Z to Discuss Police Policy
When you need advice on a subject, you go to an expert.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D-N.Y.) did just that when he had a policy meeting on the subject of how cops enforce the laws with hip-hop mogul Jay Z — who earned most of his expertise in crime as a crack dealer.
In addition to his rap boasts about drug dealing, his criminal justice experience includes being charged with stabbing people and bashing them on their heads with bottles at his favorite city nightclubs.
Sorry, what are you complaining about? I couldn't tell what the two guests were saying while they were yelling. Was it something in there?
It's the painting of Jay-Z as nothing more than a violent 'former crack dealer' that is ridiculous. Fox wouldn't introduce Ted Nugent as "Self-proclaimed child rapist...Ted Nugent"...? Although Nugent hasn't ever really admitted to thinking his pedophilia (or incest) was wrong...
The same type of racial/political hypocrisy can be demonstrated with the treatment of Common vs Nugent.
I think you're trying way too hard to make race an issue. It's a bit weird to hire JayZ for basically a photo OP on policing when he sings about breaking the law. If he were white, it would be just as weird. I'm sure you can find videos of whites being introduced with their criminal history in focus, or blacks without the focus falling there.
I agree with Jonny here. They have a problem with Jay-Z, a rapper who got rich from songs glorifying violence and crime and drugs, becoming a point person to discuss improving the police with the governor of New York. The article makes no reference to his race or his origins from "the hood". In the video, they also do not make reference to his race or origin.
A month ago, Fox labeled Eminem and Bruce Springsteen their fools of the week for having crude lyrics and anti-war messages during Veterans Day performances. That article is far more insulting to the white performers than GH's was to a black performer.
The american problem with F-Bombs still seems really funny to me :p. Especially when you compare it to British TV where it is... Very common? I mean, in german television slurs and certain words are also not used regulary, but "peeping" the stuff is just beyond stupid.
I don't know, is having your entertainers restrain from using such words too often an infringement on freespek? I highly doubt they would use these "words" as often if not for the outrage they create...
Andrew Cuomo Meets With Admitted Former Crack Dealer Jay-Z to Discuss Police Policy
When you need advice on a subject, you go to an expert.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D-N.Y.) did just that when he had a policy meeting on the subject of how cops enforce the laws with hip-hop mogul Jay Z — who earned most of his expertise in crime as a crack dealer.
In addition to his rap boasts about drug dealing, his criminal justice experience includes being charged with stabbing people and bashing them on their heads with bottles at his favorite city nightclubs.
Sorry, what are you complaining about? I couldn't tell what the two guests were saying while they were yelling. Was it something in there?
It's the painting of Jay-Z as nothing more than a violent 'former crack dealer' that is ridiculous. Fox wouldn't introduce Ted Nugent as "Self-proclaimed child rapist...Ted Nugent"...? Although Nugent hasn't ever really admitted to thinking his pedophilia (or incest) was wrong...
The same type of racial/political hypocrisy can be demonstrated with the treatment of Common vs Nugent.
I think you're trying way too hard to make race an issue. It's a bit weird to hire JayZ for basically a photo OP on policing when he sings about breaking the law. If he were white, it would be just as weird. I'm sure you can find videos of whites being introduced with their criminal history in focus, or blacks without the focus falling there.
I agree with Jonny here. They have a problem with Jay-Z, a rapper who got rich from songs glorifying violence and crime and drugs, becoming a point person to discuss improving the police with the governor of New York. The article makes no reference to his race or his origins from "the hood". In the video, they also do not make reference to his race or origin.
A month ago, Fox labeled Eminem and Bruce Springsteen their fools of the week for having crude lyrics and anti-war messages during Veterans Day performances. That article is far more insulting to the white performers than GH's was to a black performer.
Well no one ever accused Fox of giving people, who disagree with them politically, preferential treatment. I don't doubt plenty, if not most of the motivation behind such descriptions is political hypocrisy, but plenty of people notice the racial hues also. Being blind to them doesn't mean they aren't there. Dealing with the fact that it is largely white people who are privileged to get to make the final determination on whether something was racist or racial against a non-white person is no easy task. Remember Jim Crow laws weren't 'racist'... until they were...
Andrew Cuomo Meets With Admitted Former Crack Dealer Jay-Z to Discuss Police Policy
When you need advice on a subject, you go to an expert.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D-N.Y.) did just that when he had a policy meeting on the subject of how cops enforce the laws with hip-hop mogul Jay Z — who earned most of his expertise in crime as a crack dealer.
In addition to his rap boasts about drug dealing, his criminal justice experience includes being charged with stabbing people and bashing them on their heads with bottles at his favorite city nightclubs.
Sorry, what are you complaining about? I couldn't tell what the two guests were saying while they were yelling. Was it something in there?
It's the painting of Jay-Z as nothing more than a violent 'former crack dealer' that is ridiculous. Fox wouldn't introduce Ted Nugent as "Self-proclaimed child rapist...Ted Nugent"...? Although Nugent hasn't ever really admitted to thinking his pedophilia (or incest) was wrong...
The same type of racial/political hypocrisy can be demonstrated with the treatment of Common vs Nugent.
I think you're trying way too hard to make race an issue. It's a bit weird to hire JayZ for basically a photo OP on policing when he sings about breaking the law. If he were white, it would be just as weird. I'm sure you can find videos of whites being introduced with their criminal history in focus, or blacks without the focus falling there.
I agree with Jonny here. They have a problem with Jay-Z, a rapper who got rich from songs glorifying violence and crime and drugs, becoming a point person to discuss improving the police with the governor of New York. The article makes no reference to his race or his origins from "the hood". In the video, they also do not make reference to his race or origin.
A month ago, Fox labeled Eminem and Bruce Springsteen their fools of the week for having crude lyrics and anti-war messages during Veterans Day performances. That article is far more insulting to the white performers than GH's was to a black performer.
Well no one ever accused Fox of giving people, who disagree with them politically, preferential treatment. I don't doubt plenty, if not most of the motivation behind such descriptions is political hypocrisy, but plenty of people notice the racial hues also. Being blind to them doesn't mean they aren't there. Dealing with the fact that it is largely white people who are privileged to get to make the final determination on whether something was racist or racial against a non-white person is no easy task. Remember Jim Crow laws weren't 'racist'... until they were...
But your argument is that the racial hues are for the intended audience, but I scrolled through the Fox comments and they're generally anti-Democratic and anti-liberal and anti-crackhead, but almost nobody makes hay out of the fact that Jay Z is black or grew up in a hood as a reason why this is a bad idea. The commenters seem generally supportive of the Fox argument that it doesn't make sense to let a rich performer who glorifies violence and crime be treated as an expert by the governor of New York to address police activities.
Opposition articles also limit the offense to the fact that Fox News dismissed Jay Z as a crackhead (as opposed to a highly successful performer) rather than saying they are being racist. After a brief Google search, you're the only one who seems to see racial hues here.
On December 14 2014 09:53 Velr wrote: The american problem with F-Bombs still seems really funny to me :p. Especially when you compare it to British TV where it is... Very common? I mean, in german television slurs and certain words are also not used regulary, but "peeping" the stuff is just beyond stupid.
I don't know, is having your entertainers restrain from using such words too often an infringement on freespek? I highly doubt they would use these "words" as often if not for the outrage they create...
Nah, it's fine because free speech goes both ways and it's not an unlimited right. You're allowed to use the F-word and other people are allowed to oppose its usage and say they don't like it. Continuing to use it despite knowing that it offends people is a sign of disrespect and an unwillingness to cooperate, which is why it is generally frowned upon by society. You'll be thrown out of a courtroom or a bank or a school or most jobs for using profanity for precisely that reason, that it signals disrespect rather than because it is profane.
Andrew Cuomo Meets With Admitted Former Crack Dealer Jay-Z to Discuss Police Policy
When you need advice on a subject, you go to an expert.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D-N.Y.) did just that when he had a policy meeting on the subject of how cops enforce the laws with hip-hop mogul Jay Z — who earned most of his expertise in crime as a crack dealer.
In addition to his rap boasts about drug dealing, his criminal justice experience includes being charged with stabbing people and bashing them on their heads with bottles at his favorite city nightclubs.
Sorry, what are you complaining about? I couldn't tell what the two guests were saying while they were yelling. Was it something in there?
It's the painting of Jay-Z as nothing more than a violent 'former crack dealer' that is ridiculous. Fox wouldn't introduce Ted Nugent as "Self-proclaimed child rapist...Ted Nugent"...? Although Nugent hasn't ever really admitted to thinking his pedophilia (or incest) was wrong...
The same type of racial/political hypocrisy can be demonstrated with the treatment of Common vs Nugent.
I think you're trying way too hard to make race an issue. It's a bit weird to hire JayZ for basically a photo OP on policing when he sings about breaking the law. If he were white, it would be just as weird. I'm sure you can find videos of whites being introduced with their criminal history in focus, or blacks without the focus falling there.
I agree with Jonny here. They have a problem with Jay-Z, a rapper who got rich from songs glorifying violence and crime and drugs, becoming a point person to discuss improving the police with the governor of New York. The article makes no reference to his race or his origins from "the hood". In the video, they also do not make reference to his race or origin.
A month ago, Fox labeled Eminem and Bruce Springsteen their fools of the week for having crude lyrics and anti-war messages during Veterans Day performances. That article is far more insulting to the white performers than GH's was to a black performer.
Well no one ever accused Fox of giving people, who disagree with them politically, preferential treatment. I don't doubt plenty, if not most of the motivation behind such descriptions is political hypocrisy, but plenty of people notice the racial hues also. Being blind to them doesn't mean they aren't there. Dealing with the fact that it is largely white people who are privileged to get to make the final determination on whether something was racist or racial against a non-white person is no easy task. Remember Jim Crow laws weren't 'racist'... until they were...
But your argument is that the racial hues are for the intended audience, but I scrolled through the Fox comments and they're generally anti-Democratic and anti-liberal and anti-crackhead, but almost nobody makes hay out of the fact that Jay Z is black or grew up in a hood as a reason why this is a bad idea. The commenters seem generally supportive of the Fox argument that it doesn't make sense to let a rich performer who glorifies violence and crime be treated as an expert by the governor of New York to address police activities.
Opposition articles also limit the offense to the fact that Fox News dismissed Jay Z as a crackhead (as opposed to a highly successful performer) rather than saying they are being racist. After a brief Google search, you're the only one who seems to see racial hues here.
Well your summation is part of the problem in a nutshell. The ability to say and do racist things behind the shield of it being 'really about something else' and the thought that just because someone doesn't have racist intentions, that what they say and do can't be racist, is one of the hardest aspects of the problem to deal with.
By pointing out that what someone did or said was racist (whether it's true or not) one usually immediately loses those who stop listening as soon as the term is used (rightly or not). So lots of writers chose to focus on specifically what fox did (reduced him to a Crack dealer, despite his accomplishments and contributions), rather than the racial discrimination of the act meant to appeal to their audiences prejudices.
But plenty of people picked up on the racial hues...
But the hues were mostly picked up by individuals, as opposed to major news outlets. In a nation with a long history of denying the most blatant of racism of being 'racist', I don't have any hopes that the more nuanced racism of today is going to be demonstrated and accepted here anytime soon.
Hell I couldn't even get people here to agree on what the word "racism' even means in America. Let alone when it is happening.
But, when I see something, I'm going to say something.
The ability to see or hear racist things when none exist is also part of the problem. Is there any other liberal here who would like to classify the offending clip as a sign of racism? It's impressive that the entirety of the right-leaning population is able to hide it so well! It takes the political sleuths over at the DailyKos to find it. The people actually discussing what was said are just masters of deception. There is a secret Republican website where everyone goes to discuss the best tactics for hiding racism and disowning those who let it out of the bag! I'd tell you what it is but then we'd have to change it's address. The top thread there right now is " He does it again- what to do about Bill O'Reilly."
On December 14 2014 12:16 Introvert wrote: The ability to see or hear racist things when none exist is also part of the problem. Is there any other liberal here who would like to classify the offending clip as a sign of racism? It's impressive that the entirety of the right-leaning population is able to hide it so well! It takes the political sleuths over at the DailyKos to find it. The people actually discussing what was said are just masters of deception. There is a secret Republican website where everyone goes to discuss the best tactics for hiding racism and disowning those who let it out of the bag! I'd tell you what it is but then we'd have to change it's address. The top thread there right now is " He does it again- what to do about Bill O'Reilly."
I agree that some people do hear and see racism where there is none sometimes (by using also I presume you accept that people say and do racist things unintentionally or without realizing/thinking it was racist). Definitively calling it "racism" requires a common understanding of the word which this thread does not possess (In the vein of the importance of distinguishing prejudice, discrimination, and racism from each other). But someone has already pointed out how it appealed to racial prejudices.
Your 'secret republican website' prattle is just random noise...
On December 14 2014 12:30 Introvert wrote: That's the point. The claim that what he said was racist is as valuable as the background noise on an old antenna TV.
Interesting, no one else in this thread understands what racism is. That's funny, lol.
I didn't say "no one else in this thread understands what racism is" I said that we don't have a common understanding of what the word means.
As in what the significance in the difference between " prejudice, discrimination, and racism" is and why it matters.
A federally recognized Indian tribe has filed a lawsuit to block construction of a solar energy facility that will replace 4,000 acres of ancestral homelands in the Mojave Desert with reflective photovoltaic panels.
The Colorado River Indian Tribes’ lawsuit claims the U.S. Bureau of Land Management’s environmental impact statement for the project failed to adequately take into account its effects on the area’s ecosystem, cultural resources, groundwater and the Colorado River.
he tribal group with sovereignty over a 245,000-acre reservation near the work site also claimed that the BLM violated federal law by authorizing construction of Florida-based NextEra Energy Resources’ Blythe II project without first holding “government-to-government” consultations.
The lawsuit aims to delay or permanently enjoin the BLM from “permitting ground disturbing activities” within the project site and from issuing any further notice to proceed until the agency complies with the National Historic Preservation Act, the National Environmental Policy Act and the Federal Lands Policy and Management Act.
In an interview, David Harper, a spokesman for the tribal group’s Mojave Elders Committee, insisted, “We are not against solar power. We are against our ancestors' remains, funerary objects and cultural artifacts being dug up and carted away from their resting places.”
BLM spokesman Steven Razo declined comment, saying, “We just got the lawsuit. We’re reviewing it.”
On December 14 2014 12:16 Introvert wrote: The ability to see or hear racist things when none exist is also part of the problem. Is there any other liberal here who would like to classify the offending clip as a sign of racism? It's impressive that the entirety of the right-leaning population is able to hide it so well! It takes the political sleuths over at the DailyKos to find it. The people actually discussing what was said are just masters of deception. There is a secret Republican website where everyone goes to discuss the best tactics for hiding racism and disowning those who let it out of the bag! I'd tell you what it is but then we'd have to change it's address. The top thread there right now is " He does it again- what to do about Bill O'Reilly."
Whether GH has a point or not, it's odd that you would post this. Do you really not understand how ridiculous your post is? I don't really like using the word "ignorant" since it's been largely corrupted through vulgar usage, but it's the mote juste here. You might think you are scoring points with your absurd exaggeration of GH's argument, but all it really does is underscore the fact that you have no fucking clue what you are even arguing against because you are emphasizing exactly all of the points that GH would agree are absurd while being completely oblivious to the points he is trying to make.
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