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On November 26 2014 02:47 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 02:41 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:20 Plansix wrote:On November 26 2014 02:17 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:13 Ym1r wrote:
It's like people forget your fist is a weapon too, sure you probably wouldn't be able to kill somebody with one punch, but you can knock them out, then I don't know... maybe take the cop's gun after that and shoot him, or maybe take his head and smash it into the concrete, or many other things. And through the superhuman powers that being black gives you, you can do all of this from 30 feet away and after having been shot! 20 feet is considered lethal range with a knife and it can be assumed that you can be tackled just as easily. It was established that the office did not feel he could overpower brown in a physical confrontation. Also, he did not know if he hit brown with the first couple of shots. And no, I don't think the office can eyeball the difference between 20-30 feet directly after a struggle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill So what you are saying is he had already started sprinting full speed from 50 feet away because 20 feet are needed to even react, makes perfect sense! In fact, I would say Michael Brown was even more dangerous from that distance because F=ma and with his mass and that much time to accelerate he is basically a black death train! More distance does not mean greater acceleration. If you look at speed graphs most sprinters hit their max speed around first 40 meters, max acceleration is easily within first 20 meters.
50 feet = 15.24 meters (says google, I wouldn't know). Even when you nitpick an obviously ironical point you manage to stumble, it's quite amazing ^^
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Did people just forget that 50cent took 9 9mm rounds into his body, and lived?
It's not insanity to suggest that Brown continued charging forwards despite initial volley of shots.
On November 26 2014 02:56 silynxer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 02:47 wei2coolman wrote:On November 26 2014 02:41 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:20 Plansix wrote:On November 26 2014 02:17 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:13 Ym1r wrote:
It's like people forget your fist is a weapon too, sure you probably wouldn't be able to kill somebody with one punch, but you can knock them out, then I don't know... maybe take the cop's gun after that and shoot him, or maybe take his head and smash it into the concrete, or many other things. And through the superhuman powers that being black gives you, you can do all of this from 30 feet away and after having been shot! 20 feet is considered lethal range with a knife and it can be assumed that you can be tackled just as easily. It was established that the office did not feel he could overpower brown in a physical confrontation. Also, he did not know if he hit brown with the first couple of shots. And no, I don't think the office can eyeball the difference between 20-30 feet directly after a struggle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill So what you are saying is he had already started sprinting full speed from 50 feet away because 20 feet are needed to even react, makes perfect sense! In fact, I would say Michael Brown was even more dangerous from that distance because F=ma and with his mass and that much time to accelerate he is basically a black death train! More distance does not mean greater acceleration. If you look at speed graphs most sprinters hit their max speed around first 40 meters, max acceleration is easily within first 20 meters. 50 feet = 15.24 meters (says google, I wouldn't know). Even when you nitpick an obviously ironical point you manage to stumble, it's quite amazing ^^
Except, you know.. If you read the transcript you would know that Brown was within 30ft of Wilson, and Wilson had backed up while firing to compensate for the charge, in which Brown fell within 8 to 10 ft of Wilson. But, you know... Reading is hard.
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On November 26 2014 02:51 Jaaaaasper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 02:48 Sub40APM wrote:On November 26 2014 02:34 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 26 2014 02:29 wei2coolman wrote:On November 26 2014 02:17 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:13 Ym1r wrote:
It's like people forget your fist is a weapon too, sure you probably wouldn't be able to kill somebody with one punch, but you can knock them out, then I don't know... maybe take the cop's gun after that and shoot him, or maybe take his head and smash it into the concrete, or many other things. And through the superhuman powers that being black gives you, you can do all of this from 30 feet away and after having been shot! Tueller drill. 21 ft is enough distance in which the average male can close the gap before shot is fired. Considering witness accounts that Brown continued charging after the initial volley, stopped, the continued the charge which was the second volley. Also people who keep saying 'why did he have to shoot so many times?' Need to learn about stopping power, adrenaline, and correct fire arm usage before talking. Nah man, small and medium caliber handguns are just as good as the larger calibers or a rifle at putting someone down with a single shot, and single shots usually are good enough. https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/take-stop-attacker-one-round-typically-doesnt/http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-powerhttp://shootingthebull.net/blog/shoot-until-the-threat-stops/Oh, well I guess they aren't. Everyone should read that last link in particular, some crazy stories linked to in it about people taking bullet after bullet (from a handgun) to some very vital areas and still going, and some stories of people who were actually killed with one shot from a handgun. I didnt realize you moonlighted as a ballistics expert. Between you and wei2cool as a physical combat expert I am shocked neither were called to the grand jury, here we have to leaders in their respective field and everything. Maybe read the links he posted that were discussions by fire arms experts.... When the facts are against you, and people aren't buying your narrative, fall back to personal attacks. Internet debating 010.
3 random links from websites pushing a particular narrative are not particularly convincing. Well, to me anyway, obviously I dont enjoy the white privilege of a quick 30 minute google into becoming a ballistics and physics expert so I am probably missing on. White on bro, white on.
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So a fight has broken out at the Brown family press conference. Of course Al Sharpton needed some air time as well.
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On November 26 2014 02:56 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 02:42 wei2coolman wrote:On November 26 2014 02:37 ZenithM wrote:On November 26 2014 02:29 wei2coolman wrote:On November 26 2014 02:17 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:13 Ym1r wrote:
It's like people forget your fist is a weapon too, sure you probably wouldn't be able to kill somebody with one punch, but you can knock them out, then I don't know... maybe take the cop's gun after that and shoot him, or maybe take his head and smash it into the concrete, or many other things. And through the superhuman powers that being black gives you, you can do all of this from 30 feet away and after having been shot! Tueller drill. 21 ft is enough distance in which the average male can close the gap before shot is fired. Considering witness accounts that Brown continued charging after the initial volley, stopped, the continued the charge which was the second volley seems to fit under proper response Also people who keep saying 'why did he have to shoot so many times?' Need to learn about stopping power, adrenaline, and correct fire arm usage before talking. Tueller drill distance concerns someone with a holstered gun, not when you already have your gun out and were already shooting at the guy's back when he turns around. Except the convenient fact that forensic evidence does not back this up. Yeah, I know, I read all that stuff, I mispoke. Still, he had his gun out in his hands, that was my point and it remains. Tueller drill distance is completely irrelevant.
That was only brought up because someone made a dumb comment about brown being 30 feet away, which is not a factor at all since he charged. Twice.
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On November 26 2014 02:53 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 02:48 Sub40APM wrote:On November 26 2014 02:34 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 26 2014 02:29 wei2coolman wrote:On November 26 2014 02:17 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:13 Ym1r wrote:
It's like people forget your fist is a weapon too, sure you probably wouldn't be able to kill somebody with one punch, but you can knock them out, then I don't know... maybe take the cop's gun after that and shoot him, or maybe take his head and smash it into the concrete, or many other things. And through the superhuman powers that being black gives you, you can do all of this from 30 feet away and after having been shot! Tueller drill. 21 ft is enough distance in which the average male can close the gap before shot is fired. Considering witness accounts that Brown continued charging after the initial volley, stopped, the continued the charge which was the second volley. Also people who keep saying 'why did he have to shoot so many times?' Need to learn about stopping power, adrenaline, and correct fire arm usage before talking. Nah man, small and medium caliber handguns are just as good as the larger calibers or a rifle at putting someone down with a single shot, and single shots usually are good enough. https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/take-stop-attacker-one-round-typically-doesnt/http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-powerhttp://shootingthebull.net/blog/shoot-until-the-threat-stops/Oh, well I guess they aren't. Everyone should read that last link in particular, some crazy stories linked to in it about people taking bullet after bullet (from a handgun) to some very vital areas and still going, and some stories of people who were actually killed with one shot from a handgun. I didnt realize you moonlighted as a ballistics expert. Between you and wei2cool as a physical combat expert I am shocked neither were called to the grand jury, here we have to leaders in their respective field and everything. I can read. That makes me an expert at reading. I'm also pretty good at understanding what I read. Handguns are not a guarantee of stopping someone with some small number of shots, and aren't guaranteed to force you to reload 3 times to incapacitate someone either. All depends on the skill of the shooter, a bunch of other circumstances, and a fair bit of chance.
Yes. If only there was some kind of process where these facts could be I dont know, judged, by a jury of some kind of peers, after a careful advocacy on the part of two well educated professional.
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On November 26 2014 02:58 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 02:51 Jaaaaasper wrote:On November 26 2014 02:48 Sub40APM wrote:On November 26 2014 02:34 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 26 2014 02:29 wei2coolman wrote:On November 26 2014 02:17 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:13 Ym1r wrote:
It's like people forget your fist is a weapon too, sure you probably wouldn't be able to kill somebody with one punch, but you can knock them out, then I don't know... maybe take the cop's gun after that and shoot him, or maybe take his head and smash it into the concrete, or many other things. And through the superhuman powers that being black gives you, you can do all of this from 30 feet away and after having been shot! Tueller drill. 21 ft is enough distance in which the average male can close the gap before shot is fired. Considering witness accounts that Brown continued charging after the initial volley, stopped, the continued the charge which was the second volley. Also people who keep saying 'why did he have to shoot so many times?' Need to learn about stopping power, adrenaline, and correct fire arm usage before talking. Nah man, small and medium caliber handguns are just as good as the larger calibers or a rifle at putting someone down with a single shot, and single shots usually are good enough. https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/take-stop-attacker-one-round-typically-doesnt/http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-powerhttp://shootingthebull.net/blog/shoot-until-the-threat-stops/Oh, well I guess they aren't. Everyone should read that last link in particular, some crazy stories linked to in it about people taking bullet after bullet (from a handgun) to some very vital areas and still going, and some stories of people who were actually killed with one shot from a handgun. I didnt realize you moonlighted as a ballistics expert. Between you and wei2cool as a physical combat expert I am shocked neither were called to the grand jury, here we have to leaders in their respective field and everything. Maybe read the links he posted that were discussions by fire arms experts.... When the facts are against you, and people aren't buying your narrative, fall back to personal attacks. Internet debating 010. 3 random links from websites pushing a particular narrative are not particularly convincing. Well, to me anyway, obviously I dont enjoy the white privilege of a quick 30 minute google into becoming a ballistics and physics expert so I am probably missing on. White on bro, white on.
On November 26 2014 02:51 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Maybe read the links he posted that were discussions by fire arms experts.... When the facts are against you, and people aren't buying your narrative, fall back to personal attacks. Internet debating 010.
On November 26 2014 02:59 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 02:53 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 26 2014 02:48 Sub40APM wrote:On November 26 2014 02:34 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 26 2014 02:29 wei2coolman wrote:On November 26 2014 02:17 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:13 Ym1r wrote:
It's like people forget your fist is a weapon too, sure you probably wouldn't be able to kill somebody with one punch, but you can knock them out, then I don't know... maybe take the cop's gun after that and shoot him, or maybe take his head and smash it into the concrete, or many other things. And through the superhuman powers that being black gives you, you can do all of this from 30 feet away and after having been shot! Tueller drill. 21 ft is enough distance in which the average male can close the gap before shot is fired. Considering witness accounts that Brown continued charging after the initial volley, stopped, the continued the charge which was the second volley. Also people who keep saying 'why did he have to shoot so many times?' Need to learn about stopping power, adrenaline, and correct fire arm usage before talking. Nah man, small and medium caliber handguns are just as good as the larger calibers or a rifle at putting someone down with a single shot, and single shots usually are good enough. https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/take-stop-attacker-one-round-typically-doesnt/http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-powerhttp://shootingthebull.net/blog/shoot-until-the-threat-stops/Oh, well I guess they aren't. Everyone should read that last link in particular, some crazy stories linked to in it about people taking bullet after bullet (from a handgun) to some very vital areas and still going, and some stories of people who were actually killed with one shot from a handgun. I didnt realize you moonlighted as a ballistics expert. Between you and wei2cool as a physical combat expert I am shocked neither were called to the grand jury, here we have to leaders in their respective field and everything. I can read. That makes me an expert at reading. I'm also pretty good at understanding what I read. Handguns are not a guarantee of stopping someone with some small number of shots, and aren't guaranteed to force you to reload 3 times to incapacitate someone either. All depends on the skill of the shooter, a bunch of other circumstances, and a fair bit of chance. Yes. If only there was some kind of process where these facts could be I dont know, judged, by a jury of some kind of peers, after a careful advocacy on the part of two well educated professional.
Coulda sworn that just happened.
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On November 26 2014 02:58 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 02:51 Jaaaaasper wrote:On November 26 2014 02:48 Sub40APM wrote:On November 26 2014 02:34 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 26 2014 02:29 wei2coolman wrote:On November 26 2014 02:17 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:13 Ym1r wrote:
It's like people forget your fist is a weapon too, sure you probably wouldn't be able to kill somebody with one punch, but you can knock them out, then I don't know... maybe take the cop's gun after that and shoot him, or maybe take his head and smash it into the concrete, or many other things. And through the superhuman powers that being black gives you, you can do all of this from 30 feet away and after having been shot! Tueller drill. 21 ft is enough distance in which the average male can close the gap before shot is fired. Considering witness accounts that Brown continued charging after the initial volley, stopped, the continued the charge which was the second volley. Also people who keep saying 'why did he have to shoot so many times?' Need to learn about stopping power, adrenaline, and correct fire arm usage before talking. Nah man, small and medium caliber handguns are just as good as the larger calibers or a rifle at putting someone down with a single shot, and single shots usually are good enough. https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/take-stop-attacker-one-round-typically-doesnt/http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-powerhttp://shootingthebull.net/blog/shoot-until-the-threat-stops/Oh, well I guess they aren't. Everyone should read that last link in particular, some crazy stories linked to in it about people taking bullet after bullet (from a handgun) to some very vital areas and still going, and some stories of people who were actually killed with one shot from a handgun. I didnt realize you moonlighted as a ballistics expert. Between you and wei2cool as a physical combat expert I am shocked neither were called to the grand jury, here we have to leaders in their respective field and everything. Maybe read the links he posted that were discussions by fire arms experts.... When the facts are against you, and people aren't buying your narrative, fall back to personal attacks. Internet debating 010. 3 random links from websites pushing a particular narrative are not particularly convincing. Well, to me anyway, obviously I dont enjoy the white privilege of a quick 30 minute google into becoming a ballistics and physics expert so I am probably missing on. White on bro, white on.
Your ability to debate is unparalleled. It takes some true skill to bring up no valid points and drag white privilege out of nowhere. 0/10 - shit post, not even funny.
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On November 26 2014 02:58 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 02:51 Jaaaaasper wrote:On November 26 2014 02:48 Sub40APM wrote:On November 26 2014 02:34 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 26 2014 02:29 wei2coolman wrote:On November 26 2014 02:17 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:13 Ym1r wrote:
It's like people forget your fist is a weapon too, sure you probably wouldn't be able to kill somebody with one punch, but you can knock them out, then I don't know... maybe take the cop's gun after that and shoot him, or maybe take his head and smash it into the concrete, or many other things. And through the superhuman powers that being black gives you, you can do all of this from 30 feet away and after having been shot! Tueller drill. 21 ft is enough distance in which the average male can close the gap before shot is fired. Considering witness accounts that Brown continued charging after the initial volley, stopped, the continued the charge which was the second volley. Also people who keep saying 'why did he have to shoot so many times?' Need to learn about stopping power, adrenaline, and correct fire arm usage before talking. Nah man, small and medium caliber handguns are just as good as the larger calibers or a rifle at putting someone down with a single shot, and single shots usually are good enough. https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/take-stop-attacker-one-round-typically-doesnt/http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-powerhttp://shootingthebull.net/blog/shoot-until-the-threat-stops/Oh, well I guess they aren't. Everyone should read that last link in particular, some crazy stories linked to in it about people taking bullet after bullet (from a handgun) to some very vital areas and still going, and some stories of people who were actually killed with one shot from a handgun. I didnt realize you moonlighted as a ballistics expert. Between you and wei2cool as a physical combat expert I am shocked neither were called to the grand jury, here we have to leaders in their respective field and everything. Maybe read the links he posted that were discussions by fire arms experts.... When the facts are against you, and people aren't buying your narrative, fall back to personal attacks. Internet debating 010. 3 random links from websites pushing a particular narrative are not particularly convincing. Well, to me anyway, obviously I dont enjoy the white privilege of a quick 30 minute google into becoming a ballistics and physics expert so I am probably missing on. White on bro, white on.
I mean... do you even handle firearms? stopping power has always been a big talking point in handgun and caliber selection among firearms enthusiast, LEO, and military. Tons of confirmed combat incidents in which people continue moving after eating small calibers into their body.
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Btw guys, a lot of accounts speak of Wilson shooting in Brown's back as he's fleeing. Obviously I know the grand jury is king and knows all the fact and whatnot, but it's still weird to me that Brown would turn around after beginning to flee (because he was already shot at twice near the car). Why would he do that? To kill an armed cop, while being himself unarmed at a 30 feet distance?
Wilson says in his testimony that he had never seen that reaction before. No shit. That's a bit light. And convenient too.
And I know forensics proved that he wasn't hit in the back. Quite different from shot in the back though.
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On November 26 2014 02:58 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 02:51 Jaaaaasper wrote:On November 26 2014 02:48 Sub40APM wrote:On November 26 2014 02:34 DeepElemBlues wrote:On November 26 2014 02:29 wei2coolman wrote:On November 26 2014 02:17 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:13 Ym1r wrote:
It's like people forget your fist is a weapon too, sure you probably wouldn't be able to kill somebody with one punch, but you can knock them out, then I don't know... maybe take the cop's gun after that and shoot him, or maybe take his head and smash it into the concrete, or many other things. And through the superhuman powers that being black gives you, you can do all of this from 30 feet away and after having been shot! Tueller drill. 21 ft is enough distance in which the average male can close the gap before shot is fired. Considering witness accounts that Brown continued charging after the initial volley, stopped, the continued the charge which was the second volley. Also people who keep saying 'why did he have to shoot so many times?' Need to learn about stopping power, adrenaline, and correct fire arm usage before talking. Nah man, small and medium caliber handguns are just as good as the larger calibers or a rifle at putting someone down with a single shot, and single shots usually are good enough. https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/take-stop-attacker-one-round-typically-doesnt/http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-powerhttp://shootingthebull.net/blog/shoot-until-the-threat-stops/Oh, well I guess they aren't. Everyone should read that last link in particular, some crazy stories linked to in it about people taking bullet after bullet (from a handgun) to some very vital areas and still going, and some stories of people who were actually killed with one shot from a handgun. I didnt realize you moonlighted as a ballistics expert. Between you and wei2cool as a physical combat expert I am shocked neither were called to the grand jury, here we have to leaders in their respective field and everything. Maybe read the links he posted that were discussions by fire arms experts.... When the facts are against you, and people aren't buying your narrative, fall back to personal attacks. Internet debating 010. 3 random links from websites pushing a particular narrative are not particularly convincing. Well, to me anyway, obviously I dont enjoy the white privilege of a quick 30 minute google into becoming a ballistics and physics expert so I am probably missing on. White on bro, white on.
I guess posting the links isn't enough, fine, I'll quote what I considered to be the most important parts, the reason I posted the links.
(These links are contained in the "Shooting the Bull" link):
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/woman-hiding-kids-shoots-intruder/nTm7s/ - hit 5 times in the face and the neck, not incapacitated
http://www.firearmstalk.com/North-Dakota-man-ends-robbery-in-3-seconds-has-gunfight-in-his-own-living-room.html - hit with three .38 caliber bullets, not incapacitated
http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/ - HIT FOURTEEN TIMES WITH .45 ACP ROUNDS, NOT INCAPACITATED UNTIL SHOT IN THE HEAD 3 TIMES (died at the hospital, not at the scene)
https://www.swatmag.com/articles/finish_the_fight - Survived 5 hits to the chest with a Ruger .357 magnum, killed the cop with a lucky shot from his own much smaller .22 derringer.
http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/articles/2010/04/jacksonville-florida-01-26-2008.aspx - both the cop and the suspect were shot multiple times (the cop with .40 ammo, the suspect with .45). 7 times the cop was hit. 7 times the suspect was hit. both kept shooting until the suspect was hit in the head.
Obviously I don't enjoy the privilege of being able to make racist comments about "white privilege" and racist taunts to "white on" the way I guess you do.
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On November 26 2014 02:56 wei2coolman wrote:Did people just forget that 50cent took 9 9mm rounds into his body, and lived? It's not insanity to suggest that Brown continued charging forwards despite initial volley of shots. Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 02:56 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:47 wei2coolman wrote:On November 26 2014 02:41 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:20 Plansix wrote:On November 26 2014 02:17 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:13 Ym1r wrote:
It's like people forget your fist is a weapon too, sure you probably wouldn't be able to kill somebody with one punch, but you can knock them out, then I don't know... maybe take the cop's gun after that and shoot him, or maybe take his head and smash it into the concrete, or many other things. And through the superhuman powers that being black gives you, you can do all of this from 30 feet away and after having been shot! 20 feet is considered lethal range with a knife and it can be assumed that you can be tackled just as easily. It was established that the office did not feel he could overpower brown in a physical confrontation. Also, he did not know if he hit brown with the first couple of shots. And no, I don't think the office can eyeball the difference between 20-30 feet directly after a struggle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill So what you are saying is he had already started sprinting full speed from 50 feet away because 20 feet are needed to even react, makes perfect sense! In fact, I would say Michael Brown was even more dangerous from that distance because F=ma and with his mass and that much time to accelerate he is basically a black death train! More distance does not mean greater acceleration. If you look at speed graphs most sprinters hit their max speed around first 40 meters, max acceleration is easily within first 20 meters. 50 feet = 15.24 meters (says google, I wouldn't know). Even when you nitpick an obviously ironical point you manage to stumble, it's quite amazing ^^ Except, you know.. If you read the transcript you would know that Brown was within 30ft of Wilson, and Wilson had backed up while firing to compensate for the charge, in which Brown fell within 8 to 10 ft of Wilson. But, you know... Reading is hard. Could you kindly direct me to the relevant part of the thousands of pages of transscripts (that are non searchable if I heard correctly)? How were these distances determined?
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Query: is anyone here against mandatory body-cams for all officers?
I'm for it; I think a lot of people are; I'm just wondering if there's anyone against it.
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On November 26 2014 03:09 silynxer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 02:56 wei2coolman wrote:Did people just forget that 50cent took 9 9mm rounds into his body, and lived? It's not insanity to suggest that Brown continued charging forwards despite initial volley of shots. On November 26 2014 02:56 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:47 wei2coolman wrote:On November 26 2014 02:41 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:20 Plansix wrote:On November 26 2014 02:17 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:13 Ym1r wrote:
It's like people forget your fist is a weapon too, sure you probably wouldn't be able to kill somebody with one punch, but you can knock them out, then I don't know... maybe take the cop's gun after that and shoot him, or maybe take his head and smash it into the concrete, or many other things. And through the superhuman powers that being black gives you, you can do all of this from 30 feet away and after having been shot! 20 feet is considered lethal range with a knife and it can be assumed that you can be tackled just as easily. It was established that the office did not feel he could overpower brown in a physical confrontation. Also, he did not know if he hit brown with the first couple of shots. And no, I don't think the office can eyeball the difference between 20-30 feet directly after a struggle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill So what you are saying is he had already started sprinting full speed from 50 feet away because 20 feet are needed to even react, makes perfect sense! In fact, I would say Michael Brown was even more dangerous from that distance because F=ma and with his mass and that much time to accelerate he is basically a black death train! More distance does not mean greater acceleration. If you look at speed graphs most sprinters hit their max speed around first 40 meters, max acceleration is easily within first 20 meters. 50 feet = 15.24 meters (says google, I wouldn't know). Even when you nitpick an obviously ironical point you manage to stumble, it's quite amazing ^^ Except, you know.. If you read the transcript you would know that Brown was within 30ft of Wilson, and Wilson had backed up while firing to compensate for the charge, in which Brown fell within 8 to 10 ft of Wilson. But, you know... Reading is hard. Could you kindly direct me to the relevant part of the thousands of pages of transscripts (that are non searchable if I heard correctly)? How were these distances determined?
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2014/11/us/ferguson-grand-jury-docs/index.html
transcripts have been released
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On November 26 2014 03:10 zlefin wrote:
Query: is anyone here against mandatory body-cams for all officers?
I'm for it; I think a lot of people are; I'm just wondering if there's anyone against it.
I don't think anyone here is against it. Especially Wilson.
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On November 26 2014 03:09 silynxer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 02:56 wei2coolman wrote:Did people just forget that 50cent took 9 9mm rounds into his body, and lived? It's not insanity to suggest that Brown continued charging forwards despite initial volley of shots. On November 26 2014 02:56 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:47 wei2coolman wrote:On November 26 2014 02:41 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:20 Plansix wrote:On November 26 2014 02:17 silynxer wrote:On November 26 2014 02:13 Ym1r wrote:
It's like people forget your fist is a weapon too, sure you probably wouldn't be able to kill somebody with one punch, but you can knock them out, then I don't know... maybe take the cop's gun after that and shoot him, or maybe take his head and smash it into the concrete, or many other things. And through the superhuman powers that being black gives you, you can do all of this from 30 feet away and after having been shot! 20 feet is considered lethal range with a knife and it can be assumed that you can be tackled just as easily. It was established that the office did not feel he could overpower brown in a physical confrontation. Also, he did not know if he hit brown with the first couple of shots. And no, I don't think the office can eyeball the difference between 20-30 feet directly after a struggle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill So what you are saying is he had already started sprinting full speed from 50 feet away because 20 feet are needed to even react, makes perfect sense! In fact, I would say Michael Brown was even more dangerous from that distance because F=ma and with his mass and that much time to accelerate he is basically a black death train! More distance does not mean greater acceleration. If you look at speed graphs most sprinters hit their max speed around first 40 meters, max acceleration is easily within first 20 meters. 50 feet = 15.24 meters (says google, I wouldn't know). Even when you nitpick an obviously ironical point you manage to stumble, it's quite amazing ^^ Except, you know.. If you read the transcript you would know that Brown was within 30ft of Wilson, and Wilson had backed up while firing to compensate for the charge, in which Brown fell within 8 to 10 ft of Wilson. But, you know... Reading is hard. Could you kindly direct me to the relevant part of the thousands of pages of transscripts (that are non searchable if I heard correctly)? How were these distances determined?
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/11/24/ferguson-assets/grand-jury-testimony.pdf
Searchable pdf of the grand jury proceedings. Still 4799 pages so even with the search function that's a lot of stuff to go through.
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Cameras on all police officers. Including random drug tests, and mandatory drug tests after incidents and no more paid with leave. Also a special non police prosecutor for every state.
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On November 26 2014 03:10 zlefin wrote:
Query: is anyone here against mandatory body-cams for all officers?
I'm for it; I think a lot of people are; I'm just wondering if there's anyone against it.
They are fine as long as they are turned on during arrests and other calls, not all the time. I am never in support of anyone being recorded 100% of the time while they are working(aka, sitting in the patrol car with their partner, talking about their family).
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On November 26 2014 03:12 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Cameras on all police officers. Including random drug tests, and mandatory drug tests after incidents and no more paid with leave. Also a special non police prosecutor for every state.
There are no "police prosecutors," DA's offices aren't part of police departments.
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