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Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
November 19 2014 00:46 GMT
#28761
On November 18 2014 16:49 Velr wrote:
But it makes him a Nationalist?

Which is basically a facist.. so...


Not really. Nationalism is the belief in the validity of nation-states as the correct way for humans to politically organize. Sometimes the "nation" part of nation state is taken to refer to a common culture. There are people within that who take it a step further and say that their nation is better or whatever, but the basic principle of national self-determination is accepted by the vast majority of people in modern society.

To give rough terms to illustrate the spectrum (and countries with each point of view about themselves):

0
A should rule over B because they can best provide essential protections and services to the B people.
PRChina, Most African countries

1
A and B should share a state despite different cultures, due to shared ideals, values, history or cultural ties.
UK, US, India (mainstream)

2
B should be independent from A, because the B people deserve to rule themselves and desire self determination.
Tibet, Catalonia, Quebec seperatists

3-4
B must be independent of A and have an exclusively B culture, perhaps "educating" or expelling differing cultural groups
Extremists of above groups, Indian/Pakistani extremists, Various anti-immigrant hardliners opposed to "multiculturalism", Imperial Spain

5
B must rule over the other, lesser, non-B people.
Imperial Japan, everyone playing Paradox games

6
B must wipe out the non-B people.
Nazi Germany, everyone playing Civilization/Starcraft
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 19 2014 00:59 GMT
#28762
On November 19 2014 09:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
HA! Keystone Pipeline fails to get 60 votes in the Senate!

That's because the Senate democrats are a bunch of morons. Delaying and obstructing the Keystone Pipeline is indefensibly stupid.
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
November 19 2014 02:02 GMT
#28763
Keystone No voters.

Baldwin (D-WI)
Blumenthal (D-CT)
Booker (D-NJ)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Coons (D-DE)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Harkin (D-IA)
Heinrich (D-NM)
Hirono (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kaine (D-VA)
King (I-ME)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Markey (D-MA)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murphy (D-CT)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schatz (D-HI)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Warren (D-MA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8745 Posts
November 19 2014 02:05 GMT
#28764
haha looks like dems found what's left of their balls.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-19 02:11:08
November 19 2014 02:07 GMT
#28765
Who on that list is gone? Udall in Colorado. Rockefeller in WVA.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23957 Posts
November 19 2014 02:26 GMT
#28766
On November 19 2014 11:07 RCMDVA wrote:
Who on that list is gone? Udall in Colorado. Rockefeller in WVA.


How about the yes's? Particularly the dems or a link would be cool?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
November 19 2014 02:33 GMT
#28767
On November 19 2014 11:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2014 11:07 RCMDVA wrote:
Who on that list is gone? Udall in Colorado. Rockefeller in WVA.


How about the yes's? Particularly the dems or a link would be cool?


http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=2&vote=00280

xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 19 2014 02:37 GMT
#28768
On November 19 2014 11:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2014 11:07 RCMDVA wrote:
Who on that list is gone? Udall in Colorado. Rockefeller in WVA.


How about the yes's? Particularly the dems or a link would be cool?

In this instance, asking who voted yes is like asking who doesn't have herpes --- a far less interesting inquiry.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23957 Posts
November 19 2014 05:32 GMT
#28769
[image loading]

Source


House Republicans selected a new roster of committee chairmen on Tuesday for the 114th Congress starting in January.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) won the most contested opening this year, a four-way race on Tuesday to become the powerful House Oversight Committee chairman next year, succeeding term-limited chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.).

Notably, none of the new House committee chairs are women. Current House Administration Committee Chairwoman Candice Miller (R-Mich.) remains the only female on the roster of panel leaders, which was announced earlier.


Source
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-19 06:05:41
November 19 2014 05:51 GMT
#28770
Guess which one Nancy Pelosi inserted as ranking member of the Veterans Affairs Committee.


http://www.timwalz.org/meet-tim




http://corrinebrown.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6:biography&catid=5&Itemid=18

GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23957 Posts
November 19 2014 06:18 GMT
#28771
On November 19 2014 14:51 RCMDVA wrote:
Guess which one Nancy Pelosi inserted as ranking member of the Veterans Affairs Committee.


http://www.timwalz.org/meet-tim

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCX8wgXD2JA



http://corrinebrown.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6:biography&catid=5&Itemid=18

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgbBP9Em00A



Additionally, the Congresswoman has served on the House Veterans Affairs Committee since first coming to Congress over twenty years ago, and has been fighting for the benefits that veterans were promised. She has also worked closely with the Department of Veterans Affairs to provide new and improved medical facilities around the state, and is extremely proud to have served as a chief advocate for passing the largest increase in the VA budget in its history. One of Congresswoman Brown’s proudest moments came when she was able to obtain recognition for the first African American Marines who trained at Montford Point.


Seem like solid creds to me?

After 24 years in the Army National Guard, Command Sergeant Major Walz retired from the 1-125th Field Artillery Battalion in the spring of 2005. Prior to retiring, Walz served overseas with his battalion in support of Operation Enduring Freedom.

On November 7, 2006 Tim Walz won election to the United States House of Representatives.


Give the guy some time geeze.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
November 19 2014 17:19 GMT
#28772
I wish they would have let the Keystone vote actually happen. This 60 vote shit is stupid regardless of which side.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 19 2014 17:30 GMT
#28773
funny how infrastructure with lobbying support gets so much play while those that do not are neglected
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
November 19 2014 17:34 GMT
#28774
It's easier to see how oil makes money than it is to consider how important stuff like roads are
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-19 18:09:08
November 19 2014 18:07 GMT
#28775
On November 20 2014 02:34 farvacola wrote:
It's easier to see how oil makes money than it is to consider how important stuff like roads are

Frankly, you're not going to find many conservatives objecting to road and other core infrastructure expansion projects. That's something that large numbers of conservatives will almost always fund. It's always liberals -- particularly green groups -- that get in the way.

EDIT: And I like this movement towards privatizing portions of highways and adding toll lanes in exchange for getting private money to maintain and expand the subject road.
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-19 18:27:33
November 19 2014 18:09 GMT
#28776
Nancy Pelosi goes Cersi Lannister on the Command Sergeant Major. Might as well call him Ser Barristan Selmy Walz.






GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23957 Posts
November 19 2014 18:45 GMT
#28777
On November 20 2014 03:09 RCMDVA wrote:
Nancy Pelosi goes Cersi Lannister on the Command Sergeant Major. Might as well call him Ser Barristan Selmy Walz.




Show nested quote +
https://twitter.com/PaulRieckhoff/status/535119344121184256


Well I wouldn't be for taking the guy off the committee altogether unless the legislation he's working on with the republican chair has something in it that doesn't make sense(looked fine at first glance). But to be fair that's still a rumor (him getting taken off, not him working on a law with the republican chair [who coincidentally used to be a democrat).

Just for context lets look at Who the Republicans passed over when they chose their committee chair and co chair for the Veterans Committee.

Brad has served in the U.S. Army Reserve since 1998, currently holding the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. In 2005-06, he served a tour in Iraq as a combat surgeon, and was awarded a Bronze Star and Combat Action Badge for his service. During his time in Congress, Brad is fulfilling his Reserve duties by treating patients at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda.


Source
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23957 Posts
November 19 2014 19:27 GMT
#28778
No wonder they close the comment section on these so fast.

President Obama will announce Thursday in a primetime TV speech the executive actions he will take to change U.S. immigration law.

Making good on his recent vow to use executive authority that sidesteps Congress, the president will announce steps to protect roughly 5 million illegal immigrants from deportation.

Obama will make his announcement from the White House at 8 p.m. EST, then travel to Las Vegas to promote the plan Friday.

The president will go ahead with his plan despite widespread opposition from Capitol Hill Republicans, who have asked him to wait until next year when the GOP controls the House and Senate to try to reform the country’s broken immigration system.

"What I'm going to be laying out is the things that I can do with my lawful authority as president to make the system better, even as I continue to work with Congress and encourage them to get a bipartisan, comprehensive bill that can solve the entire problem," Obama said via Facebook.


[image loading]

Source
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
November 19 2014 19:40 GMT
#28779
On November 20 2014 04:27 GreenHorizons wrote:
No wonder they close the comment section on these so fast.

Show nested quote +
President Obama will announce Thursday in a primetime TV speech the executive actions he will take to change U.S. immigration law.

Making good on his recent vow to use executive authority that sidesteps Congress, the president will announce steps to protect roughly 5 million illegal immigrants from deportation.

Obama will make his announcement from the White House at 8 p.m. EST, then travel to Las Vegas to promote the plan Friday.

The president will go ahead with his plan despite widespread opposition from Capitol Hill Republicans, who have asked him to wait until next year when the GOP controls the House and Senate to try to reform the country’s broken immigration system.

"What I'm going to be laying out is the things that I can do with my lawful authority as president to make the system better, even as I continue to work with Congress and encourage them to get a bipartisan, comprehensive bill that can solve the entire problem," Obama said via Facebook.


[image loading]

Source

That can't be real. As we all know, the internet is reserved for enlightened discourse.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4951 Posts
November 19 2014 19:57 GMT
#28780
I didn't see any liberal comments there! Clearly left> right.

When Obama announces though I will have some posting the numerous examples from years past of him saying he can't do this and "it's my job to enforce the laws" or "I'm not emperor."

Guess he found the missing authority hidden somewhere in his desk.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
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