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On August 20 2014 05:40 radiatoren wrote: Another man killed in St. Louis. I am a bit surprised by the police again mentioning theft as if it has any effect on the murder: [quote]NBC news
Not as problematic as the other murder, but usually the first shots are taken to disarm the attacker in such situations. Shoot to kill is a last resort.
We've been over this. Shooting-to-wound is not a thing smart people do.
If someone is worth shooting, they're worth shooting center of mass. If you don't need to stop him at all costs, you don't need to shoot him, period.
So your telling me the only answer the US police has to a man with a knife is death? And you wonder why the police is hated so much lol.
It is if he charges someone with a gun. I'd shoot, too.
Are you a trained and qualified policeman with a variaty of tools at your disposal? No your not. And I stand by my question. Is the only answer the US police has to a man with a knife to kill him?
No, but that's besides the point. I'm licensed to carry firearms. I'm allowed to shoot someone that is threatening me with the risk of imminent death or great bodily harm. If some guy with a knife charges me, I'm shooting him with the intent of making him stop -- which probably means killing him. The rule is basically the same for cops.
Shoot to his leg?
Not very easy to hit, doesn't guarantee that the danger is over and may very well kill them anyway due to blood loss. If you shoot, aim for center mass.
Finnish polices first have to shoot warning shot and next aim to legs. Bullet in both legs and you can't do anything. And everytime police fires his pistol there will be investigation was it necessary. If it wasnt police goes to court and gets punished. Im 99% sure it's same in Sweden?
I posted the same rules pretty much applying to the Netherlands and got called an idiot for it. America just doesn't understand that there are more options then killing.
Somehow, it's OK for a trained professional who is given the legal authority to kill someone to succumb to fear and other basic emotions and just unload several shots into someone's chest (regardless of whether he is ACTUALLY under a life threat or not), almost guaranteeing their death, instead of actually being trained (like the professionals they are) to use their weapon sparingly and in a neutralizing, but non-life-threatening, manner.
Law enforcement in this country is despicable and people give them a free pass way, way too much.
On August 20 2014 23:25 Wolfstan wrote: Black mothers need to encourage their children to get into business/STEM/Trades programs. Black fathers need to be there period. Black teens need to choose school over crack. Black communities need to encourage excellence rather than be a lobster pit of thugs and mediocrity.
so in other words.. "why the fuck don't they just stop being poor?" Great advice! The first thing that needs to happen is that the top-down racism in governmental institution stops. If your father is in prison for 10 years because he smoked some pot do you think the kids first reaction is "what an awesome country, I better apply for that physics scholarship right away!"
"choose school over crack" yeah I guess every crack smoking teen at one point in there lives made a pro and contra list about it and came to the concious decision that crack smoking is the way to go.
Are we seriously going over this "Shoot to wound" shit again? If you've resorted to a gun, it's because you've decided lethal force is necessary, if you didn't think it was necessary to kill someone you'd use a tool that isn't specifically designed to kill a motherfucker. More than that, shooting to wound is inaccurate and dangerous to everyone.Arms and legs are at the edge of a persons profile by definition and are moving all the time, you risk missing your target and hurting an innocent bystander if you try to pull some Hollywood shit. Especially if you aim for the arms, but I'm assuming you all recognize that much at least. Aiming for the leg means aiming for the shin, because if you hit someone in the thing they ARE going to bleed out because that's what deep wounds to your thigh do given it's a huge artery hotspot. But let's assume you've somehow managed to hit him in the sweet spot that won't make him bleed to death more painfully than a shot to the center mass would've, his arms are still free to fuck someone up. Whether that means drawing a potential weapon you didn't know he had or just trying to Clegane your skull in when you try to close in on him to actually make the arrest, it's still dangerous. And that's the crux of it. Guns are drawn when the officer thinks their, or someone else's, life is in danger. What you are asking for is for them to risk their lives for the sake of their aggressor.
On August 21 2014 00:23 RockIronrod wrote: Are we seriously going over this "Shoot to wound" shit again? If you've resorted to a gun, it's because you've decided lethal force is necessary, if you didn't think it was necessary to kill someone you'd use a tool that isn't specifically designed to kill a motherfucker. More than that, shooting to wound is inaccurate and dangerous to everyone.Arms and legs are at the edge of a persons profile by definition and are moving all the time, you risk missing your target and hurting an innocent bystander if you try to pull some Hollywood shit. Especially if you aim for the arms, but I'm assuming you all recognize that much at least. Aiming for the leg means aiming for the shin, because if you hit someone in the thing they ARE going to bleed out because that's what deep wounds to your thigh do given it's a huge artery hotspot. But let's assume you've somehow managed to hit him in the sweet spot that won't make him bleed to death more painfully than a shot to the center mass would've, his arms are still free to fuck someone up. Whether that means drawing a potential weapon you didn't know he had or just trying to Clegane your skull in when you try to close in on him to actually make the arrest, it's still dangerous. And that's the crux of it. Guns are drawn when the officer thinks their, or someone else's, life is in danger. What you are asking for is for them to risk their lives for the sake of their aggressor.
That's exactly what I'm asking for. When you are legally allowed to kill someone, you should be held to a higher standard, especially since we can't trust that you are shooting someone that is actually guilty of anything.
On August 20 2014 23:25 Wolfstan wrote: Black mothers need to encourage their children to get into business/STEM/Trades programs. Black fathers need to be there period. Black teens need to choose school over crack. Black communities need to encourage excellence rather than be a lobster pit of thugs and mediocrity.
so in other words.. "why the fuck don't they just stop being poor?" Great advice! The first thing that needs to happen is that the top-down racism in governmental institution stops. If your father is in prison for 10 years because he smoked some pot do you think the kids first reaction is "what an awesome country, I better apply for that physics scholarship right away!"
"choose school over crack" yeah I guess every crack smoking teen at one point in there lives made a pro and contra list about it and came to the concious decision that crack smoking is the way to go.
The top down racism is being reduced as the old white dudes die off. Also the rise of exceptional black people give less of a reason for the new generation to be racist.
Yes, they need to stop being poor. Wealthy, educated individuals are less likely to be criminals, more healthy and productive, why would we encourage them that being poor is OK?
The crack smoking teen should choose school over crack, I can't think of many cases where the pro/con would lead to the crack choice.
On August 21 2014 00:23 RockIronrod wrote: Are we seriously going over this "Shoot to wound" shit again? If you've resorted to a gun, it's because you've decided lethal force is necessary, if you didn't think it was necessary to kill someone you'd use a tool that isn't specifically designed to kill a motherfucker. More than that, shooting to wound is inaccurate and dangerous to everyone.Arms and legs are at the edge of a persons profile by definition and are moving all the time, you risk missing your target and hurting an innocent bystander if you try to pull some Hollywood shit. Especially if you aim for the arms, but I'm assuming you all recognize that much at least. Aiming for the leg means aiming for the shin, because if you hit someone in the thing they ARE going to bleed out because that's what deep wounds to your thigh do given it's a huge artery hotspot. But let's assume you've somehow managed to hit him in the sweet spot that won't make him bleed to death more painfully than a shot to the center mass would've, his arms are still free to fuck someone up. Whether that means drawing a potential weapon you didn't know he had or just trying to Clegane your skull in when you try to close in on him to actually make the arrest, it's still dangerous. And that's the crux of it. Guns are drawn when the officer thinks their, or someone else's, life is in danger. What you are asking for is for them to risk their lives for the sake of their aggressor.
That's exactly what I'm asking for. When you are legally allowed to kill someone, you should be held to a higher standard, especially since we can't trust that you are shooting someone that is actually guilty of anything.
I hate to break the news to you but there are 330,000,000 Americans who are legally allowed to use deadly force.
On August 20 2014 23:25 Wolfstan wrote: Black mothers need to encourage their children to get into business/STEM/Trades programs. Black fathers need to be there period. Black teens need to choose school over crack. Black communities need to encourage excellence rather than be a lobster pit of thugs and mediocrity.
so in other words.. "why the fuck don't they just stop being poor?" Great advice! The first thing that needs to happen is that the top-down racism in governmental institution stops. If your father is in prison for 10 years because he smoked some pot do you think the kids first reaction is "what an awesome country, I better apply for that physics scholarship right away!"
"choose school over crack" yeah I guess every crack smoking teen at one point in there lives made a pro and contra list about it and came to the concious decision that crack smoking is the way to go.
The top down racism is being reduced as the old white dudes die off. Also the rise of exceptional black people give less of a reason for the new generation to be racist.
Yes, they need to stop being poor. Wealthy, educated individuals are less likely to be criminals, more healthy and productive, why would we encourage them that being poor is OK?
The crack smoking teen should choose school over crack, I can't think of many cases where the pro/con would lead to the crack choice.
Because they don't, that was my point. You don't choose to be poor, you don't choose to be a heroin addict, you simply become one. And no, racism doesn't die off, it's as bad as ever. Not only in the US.
The legal situation and a black president don't matter. At the moment a white militarized police force in Ferguson is locking up and killing black people. That's the reality of things.
Choose school over crack lol that's like a slogan from back when people actually believed school was a tool for emancipation and not a tool for reproduction, cultural violence and social classification.
On August 20 2014 23:25 Wolfstan wrote: Black mothers need to encourage their children to get into business/STEM/Trades programs. Black fathers need to be there period. Black teens need to choose school over crack. Black communities need to encourage excellence rather than be a lobster pit of thugs and mediocrity.
so in other words.. "why the fuck don't they just stop being poor?" Great advice! The first thing that needs to happen is that the top-down racism in governmental institution stops. If your father is in prison for 10 years because he smoked some pot do you think the kids first reaction is "what an awesome country, I better apply for that physics scholarship right away!"
"choose school over crack" yeah I guess every crack smoking teen at one point in there lives made a pro and contra list about it and came to the concious decision that crack smoking is the way to go.
The top down racism is being reduced as the old white dudes die off. Also the rise of exceptional black people give less of a reason for the new generation to be racist.
Yes, they need to stop being poor. Wealthy, educated individuals are less likely to be criminals, more healthy and productive, why would we encourage them that being poor is OK?
The crack smoking teen should choose school over crack, I can't think of many cases where the pro/con would lead to the crack choice.
Because they don't, that was my point. You don't choose to be poor, you don't choose to be a heroin addict, you simply become one. And no, racism doesn't die off, it's as bad as ever. Not only in the US.
The legal situation and a black president don't matter. At the moment a white militarized police force in Ferguson is locking up and killing black people. That's the reality of things.
You DO choose to become a heroin addict. The moment you try heroin, you are accepting that becoming an addict is a possibility.
On August 20 2014 23:25 Wolfstan wrote: Black mothers need to encourage their children to get into business/STEM/Trades programs. Black fathers need to be there period. Black teens need to choose school over crack. Black communities need to encourage excellence rather than be a lobster pit of thugs and mediocrity.
so in other words.. "why the fuck don't they just stop being poor?" Great advice! The first thing that needs to happen is that the top-down racism in governmental institution stops. If your father is in prison for 10 years because he smoked some pot do you think the kids first reaction is "what an awesome country, I better apply for that physics scholarship right away!"
"choose school over crack" yeah I guess every crack smoking teen at one point in there lives made a pro and contra list about it and came to the concious decision that crack smoking is the way to go.
The top down racism is being reduced as the old white dudes die off. Also the rise of exceptional black people give less of a reason for the new generation to be racist.
Yes, they need to stop being poor. Wealthy, educated individuals are less likely to be criminals, more healthy and productive, why would we encourage them that being poor is OK?
The crack smoking teen should choose school over crack, I can't think of many cases where the pro/con would lead to the crack choice.
Because they don't, that was my point. You don't choose to be poor, you don't choose to be a heroin addict, you simply become one. And no, racism doesn't die off, it's as bad as ever. Not only in the US.
The legal situation and a black president don't matter. At the moment a white militarized police force in Ferguson is locking up and killing black people. That's the reality of things.
Please. They're not indiscriminately killing black people. They're shooting obvious criminals WHO ARE ATTACKING COPS. We need to get real and drop this "every life is precious" horseshit. Empathize with the victims all you want regarding how they came to be criminals. It doesn't change the fact that they became criminals and created the very circumstances that led to their being shot. The cops are just doing their job. Focusing on the cops is focusing on the back end of the problem. You're no where near the root cause of why things went back to begin with in each circumstance.
On August 20 2014 23:25 Wolfstan wrote: Black mothers need to encourage their children to get into business/STEM/Trades programs. Black fathers need to be there period. Black teens need to choose school over crack. Black communities need to encourage excellence rather than be a lobster pit of thugs and mediocrity.
so in other words.. "why the fuck don't they just stop being poor?" Great advice! The first thing that needs to happen is that the top-down racism in governmental institution stops. If your father is in prison for 10 years because he smoked some pot do you think the kids first reaction is "what an awesome country, I better apply for that physics scholarship right away!"
"choose school over crack" yeah I guess every crack smoking teen at one point in there lives made a pro and contra list about it and came to the concious decision that crack smoking is the way to go.
The top down racism is being reduced as the old white dudes die off. Also the rise of exceptional black people give less of a reason for the new generation to be racist.
Yes, they need to stop being poor. Wealthy, educated individuals are less likely to be criminals, more healthy and productive, why would we encourage them that being poor is OK?
The crack smoking teen should choose school over crack, I can't think of many cases where the pro/con would lead to the crack choice.
Because they don't, that was my point. You don't choose to be poor, you don't choose to be a heroin addict, you simply become one. And no, racism doesn't die off, it's as bad as ever. Not only in the US.
The legal situation and a black president don't matter. At the moment a white militarized police force in Ferguson is locking up and killing black people. That's the reality of things.
Please. They're not indiscriminately killing black people. They're shooting obvious criminals WHO ARE ATTACKING COPS. We need to get real and drop this "every life is precious" horseshit. Empathize with the victims all you want regarding how they came to be criminals. It doesn't change the fact that they became criminals and created the very circumstances that led to their being shot. The cops are just doing their job. Focusing on the cops is focusing on the back end of the problem. You're no where near the root cause of why things went back to begin with in each circumstance.
You heard it from xdaunt first All black people who get shot are criminals. Because all black people are criminals, and all criminals get shot. Don't worry about it, nothing to see here folks.
On August 20 2014 23:25 Wolfstan wrote: Black mothers need to encourage their children to get into business/STEM/Trades programs. Black fathers need to be there period. Black teens need to choose school over crack. Black communities need to encourage excellence rather than be a lobster pit of thugs and mediocrity.
so in other words.. "why the fuck don't they just stop being poor?" Great advice! The first thing that needs to happen is that the top-down racism in governmental institution stops. If your father is in prison for 10 years because he smoked some pot do you think the kids first reaction is "what an awesome country, I better apply for that physics scholarship right away!"
"choose school over crack" yeah I guess every crack smoking teen at one point in there lives made a pro and contra list about it and came to the concious decision that crack smoking is the way to go.
The top down racism is being reduced as the old white dudes die off. Also the rise of exceptional black people give less of a reason for the new generation to be racist.
Yes, they need to stop being poor. Wealthy, educated individuals are less likely to be criminals, more healthy and productive, why would we encourage them that being poor is OK?
The crack smoking teen should choose school over crack, I can't think of many cases where the pro/con would lead to the crack choice.
Because they don't, that was my point. You don't choose to be poor, you don't choose to be a heroin addict, you simply become one. And no, racism doesn't die off, it's as bad as ever. Not only in the US.
The legal situation and a black president don't matter. At the moment a white militarized police force in Ferguson is locking up and killing black people. That's the reality of things.
I think you are confused, you can't choose to be white or black. You can choose to be wealthy or poor, a drug addict or not. It's incredibly racist to think being black is synonymous with being poor or a junkie. Assuming no duress, coercion or manipulation, being a junkie is definitely a choice. The cases where a person leaves the house, gets to the sidewalk and becomes a crackhead through no fault of their own are very rare.
The racism is not as bad as ever, people like Donald Sterling will be gone soon, where no matter the accomplishments of the individual, they will never rise above the colour of their skin. Our generation, black and white, have grown up with the likes of Obama, Will Smith and Oprah to look up to as role models and judge based on their accomplishments, not their skin colour.
On August 20 2014 23:25 Wolfstan wrote: Black mothers need to encourage their children to get into business/STEM/Trades programs. Black fathers need to be there period. Black teens need to choose school over crack. Black communities need to encourage excellence rather than be a lobster pit of thugs and mediocrity.
so in other words.. "why the fuck don't they just stop being poor?" Great advice! The first thing that needs to happen is that the top-down racism in governmental institution stops. If your father is in prison for 10 years because he smoked some pot do you think the kids first reaction is "what an awesome country, I better apply for that physics scholarship right away!"
"choose school over crack" yeah I guess every crack smoking teen at one point in there lives made a pro and contra list about it and came to the concious decision that crack smoking is the way to go.
The top down racism is being reduced as the old white dudes die off. Also the rise of exceptional black people give less of a reason for the new generation to be racist.
Yes, they need to stop being poor. Wealthy, educated individuals are less likely to be criminals, more healthy and productive, why would we encourage them that being poor is OK?
The crack smoking teen should choose school over crack, I can't think of many cases where the pro/con would lead to the crack choice.
Because they don't, that was my point. You don't choose to be poor, you don't choose to be a heroin addict, you simply become one. And no, racism doesn't die off, it's as bad as ever. Not only in the US.
The legal situation and a black president don't matter. At the moment a white militarized police force in Ferguson is locking up and killing black people. That's the reality of things.
Please. They're not indiscriminately killing black people. They're shooting obvious criminals WHO ARE ATTACKING COPS. We need to get real and drop this "every life is precious" horseshit. Empathize with the victims all you want regarding how they came to be criminals. It doesn't change the fact that they became criminals and created the very circumstances that led to their being shot. The cops are just doing their job. Focusing on the cops is focusing on the back end of the problem. You're no where near the root cause of why things went back to begin with in each circumstance.
As if talking about the current situation blacks face without talking about the historical context is getting at the 'root cause'.
People get attacked everyday without resorting to shooting someone. It's not that they have no legal right it's that they NEED to be more judicious when firing their weapons. Besides the anger isn't JUST at the cops shooting, choking, and tazing people (sometimes completely innocent). It's the undeniable racist policing along with a whole host of other institutionalized racism that has Ferguson (and much of the nation) so fed up.
On August 20 2014 23:25 Wolfstan wrote: Black mothers need to encourage their children to get into business/STEM/Trades programs. Black fathers need to be there period. Black teens need to choose school over crack. Black communities need to encourage excellence rather than be a lobster pit of thugs and mediocrity.
so in other words.. "why the fuck don't they just stop being poor?" Great advice! The first thing that needs to happen is that the top-down racism in governmental institution stops. If your father is in prison for 10 years because he smoked some pot do you think the kids first reaction is "what an awesome country, I better apply for that physics scholarship right away!"
"choose school over crack" yeah I guess every crack smoking teen at one point in there lives made a pro and contra list about it and came to the concious decision that crack smoking is the way to go.
The top down racism is being reduced as the old white dudes die off. Also the rise of exceptional black people give less of a reason for the new generation to be racist.
Yes, they need to stop being poor. Wealthy, educated individuals are less likely to be criminals, more healthy and productive, why would we encourage them that being poor is OK?
The crack smoking teen should choose school over crack, I can't think of many cases where the pro/con would lead to the crack choice.
Because they don't, that was my point. You don't choose to be poor, you don't choose to be a heroin addict, you simply become one. And no, racism doesn't die off, it's as bad as ever. Not only in the US.
The legal situation and a black president don't matter. At the moment a white militarized police force in Ferguson is locking up and killing black people. That's the reality of things.
Please. They're not indiscriminately killing black people. They're shooting obvious criminals WHO ARE ATTACKING COPS. We need to get real and drop this "every life is precious" horseshit. Empathize with the victims all you want regarding how they came to be criminals. It doesn't change the fact that they became criminals and created the very circumstances that led to their being shot. The cops are just doing their job. Focusing on the cops is focusing on the back end of the problem. You're no where near the root cause of why things went back to begin with in each circumstance.
You heard it from xdaunt first All black people who get shot are criminals. Because all black people are criminals, and all criminals get shot. Don't worry about it, nothing to see here folks.
I'd love to hear you argue why the latest two people who were shot weren't criminals.
On August 20 2014 23:25 Wolfstan wrote: Black mothers need to encourage their children to get into business/STEM/Trades programs. Black fathers need to be there period. Black teens need to choose school over crack. Black communities need to encourage excellence rather than be a lobster pit of thugs and mediocrity.
so in other words.. "why the fuck don't they just stop being poor?" Great advice! The first thing that needs to happen is that the top-down racism in governmental institution stops. If your father is in prison for 10 years because he smoked some pot do you think the kids first reaction is "what an awesome country, I better apply for that physics scholarship right away!"
"choose school over crack" yeah I guess every crack smoking teen at one point in there lives made a pro and contra list about it and came to the concious decision that crack smoking is the way to go.
The top down racism is being reduced as the old white dudes die off. Also the rise of exceptional black people give less of a reason for the new generation to be racist.
Yes, they need to stop being poor. Wealthy, educated individuals are less likely to be criminals, more healthy and productive, why would we encourage them that being poor is OK?
The crack smoking teen should choose school over crack, I can't think of many cases where the pro/con would lead to the crack choice.
Because they don't, that was my point. You don't choose to be poor, you don't choose to be a heroin addict, you simply become one. And no, racism doesn't die off, it's as bad as ever. Not only in the US.
The legal situation and a black president don't matter. At the moment a white militarized police force in Ferguson is locking up and killing black people. That's the reality of things.
Please. They're not indiscriminately killing black people. They're shooting obvious criminals WHO ARE ATTACKING COPS. We need to get real and drop this "every life is precious" horseshit. Empathize with the victims all you want regarding how they came to be criminals. It doesn't change the fact that they became criminals and created the very circumstances that led to their being shot. The cops are just doing their job. Focusing on the cops is focusing on the back end of the problem. You're no where near the root cause of why things went back to begin with in each circumstance.
As if talking about the current situation blacks face without talking about the historical context is getting at the 'root cause'.
People get attacked everyday without resorting to shooting someone. It's not that they have no legal right it's that they NEED to be more judicious when firing their weapons. Besides the anger isn't JUST at the cops shooting, choking, and tazing people (sometimes completely innocent). It's the undeniable racist policing along with a whole host of other institutionalized racism that has Ferguson (and much of the nation) so fed up.
I'm not here to defend cops in general. There obviously are plenty of cops who are assholes. However, y'all need to pick your battles on what to protest. You're going to lose public support every time when you protest a cop shooting a criminal in self-defense.
On August 20 2014 23:25 Wolfstan wrote: Black mothers need to encourage their children to get into business/STEM/Trades programs. Black fathers need to be there period. Black teens need to choose school over crack. Black communities need to encourage excellence rather than be a lobster pit of thugs and mediocrity.
so in other words.. "why the fuck don't they just stop being poor?" Great advice! The first thing that needs to happen is that the top-down racism in governmental institution stops. If your father is in prison for 10 years because he smoked some pot do you think the kids first reaction is "what an awesome country, I better apply for that physics scholarship right away!"
"choose school over crack" yeah I guess every crack smoking teen at one point in there lives made a pro and contra list about it and came to the concious decision that crack smoking is the way to go.
The top down racism is being reduced as the old white dudes die off. Also the rise of exceptional black people give less of a reason for the new generation to be racist.
Yes, they need to stop being poor. Wealthy, educated individuals are less likely to be criminals, more healthy and productive, why would we encourage them that being poor is OK?
The crack smoking teen should choose school over crack, I can't think of many cases where the pro/con would lead to the crack choice.
Because they don't, that was my point. You don't choose to be poor, you don't choose to be a heroin addict, you simply become one. And no, racism doesn't die off, it's as bad as ever. Not only in the US.
The legal situation and a black president don't matter. At the moment a white militarized police force in Ferguson is locking up and killing black people. That's the reality of things.
Please. They're not indiscriminately killing black people. They're shooting obvious criminals WHO ARE ATTACKING COPS. We need to get real and drop this "every life is precious" horseshit. Empathize with the victims all you want regarding how they came to be criminals. It doesn't change the fact that they became criminals and created the very circumstances that led to their being shot. The cops are just doing their job. Focusing on the cops is focusing on the back end of the problem. You're no where near the root cause of why things went back to begin with in each circumstance.
You heard it from xdaunt first All black people who get shot are criminals. Because all black people are criminals, and all criminals get shot. Don't worry about it, nothing to see here folks.
I'd love to hear you argue why the latest two people who were shot weren't criminals.
Good luck.
Id love to hear you explain how stealing a coke deserves the death penalty
On August 20 2014 23:25 Wolfstan wrote: Black mothers need to encourage their children to get into business/STEM/Trades programs. Black fathers need to be there period. Black teens need to choose school over crack. Black communities need to encourage excellence rather than be a lobster pit of thugs and mediocrity.
so in other words.. "why the fuck don't they just stop being poor?" Great advice! The first thing that needs to happen is that the top-down racism in governmental institution stops. If your father is in prison for 10 years because he smoked some pot do you think the kids first reaction is "what an awesome country, I better apply for that physics scholarship right away!"
"choose school over crack" yeah I guess every crack smoking teen at one point in there lives made a pro and contra list about it and came to the concious decision that crack smoking is the way to go.
The top down racism is being reduced as the old white dudes die off. Also the rise of exceptional black people give less of a reason for the new generation to be racist.
Yes, they need to stop being poor. Wealthy, educated individuals are less likely to be criminals, more healthy and productive, why would we encourage them that being poor is OK?
The crack smoking teen should choose school over crack, I can't think of many cases where the pro/con would lead to the crack choice.
Because they don't, that was my point. You don't choose to be poor, you don't choose to be a heroin addict, you simply become one. And no, racism doesn't die off, it's as bad as ever. Not only in the US.
The legal situation and a black president don't matter. At the moment a white militarized police force in Ferguson is locking up and killing black people. That's the reality of things.
Please. They're not indiscriminately killing black people. They're shooting obvious criminals WHO ARE ATTACKING COPS. We need to get real and drop this "every life is precious" horseshit. Empathize with the victims all you want regarding how they came to be criminals. It doesn't change the fact that they became criminals and created the very circumstances that led to their being shot. The cops are just doing their job. Focusing on the cops is focusing on the back end of the problem. You're no where near the root cause of why things went back to begin with in each circumstance.
You heard it from xdaunt first All black people who get shot are criminals. Because all black people are criminals, and all criminals get shot. Don't worry about it, nothing to see here folks.
I'd love to hear you argue why the latest two people who were shot weren't criminals.
Good luck.
Id love to hear you explain how stealing a coke deserves the death penalty
Good luck
Stealing a coke doesn't. Attacking a cop will understandably earn you a bullet every time.
On August 20 2014 23:25 Wolfstan wrote: Black mothers need to encourage their children to get into business/STEM/Trades programs. Black fathers need to be there period. Black teens need to choose school over crack. Black communities need to encourage excellence rather than be a lobster pit of thugs and mediocrity.
so in other words.. "why the fuck don't they just stop being poor?" Great advice! The first thing that needs to happen is that the top-down racism in governmental institution stops. If your father is in prison for 10 years because he smoked some pot do you think the kids first reaction is "what an awesome country, I better apply for that physics scholarship right away!"
"choose school over crack" yeah I guess every crack smoking teen at one point in there lives made a pro and contra list about it and came to the concious decision that crack smoking is the way to go.
The top down racism is being reduced as the old white dudes die off. Also the rise of exceptional black people give less of a reason for the new generation to be racist.
Yes, they need to stop being poor. Wealthy, educated individuals are less likely to be criminals, more healthy and productive, why would we encourage them that being poor is OK?
The crack smoking teen should choose school over crack, I can't think of many cases where the pro/con would lead to the crack choice.
Because they don't, that was my point. You don't choose to be poor, you don't choose to be a heroin addict, you simply become one. And no, racism doesn't die off, it's as bad as ever. Not only in the US.
The legal situation and a black president don't matter. At the moment a white militarized police force in Ferguson is locking up and killing black people. That's the reality of things.
Please. They're not indiscriminately killing black people. They're shooting obvious criminals WHO ARE ATTACKING COPS. We need to get real and drop this "every life is precious" horseshit. Empathize with the victims all you want regarding how they came to be criminals. It doesn't change the fact that they became criminals and created the very circumstances that led to their being shot. The cops are just doing their job. Focusing on the cops is focusing on the back end of the problem. You're no where near the root cause of why things went back to begin with in each circumstance.
You heard it from xdaunt first All black people who get shot are criminals. Because all black people are criminals, and all criminals get shot. Don't worry about it, nothing to see here folks.
I'd love to hear you argue why the latest two people who were shot weren't criminals.
Good luck.
Id love to hear you explain how stealing a coke deserves the death penalty
Good luck
Stealing a coke doesn't. Attacking a cop will understandably earn you a bullet every time.
Attacking a cop doesn't get you a bullet every time. Of course if you are a minority your chances of getting shot skyrocket.
Based on your logic the cops should/could of shot this guy who clearly got more violent than anyone says Michael did..
They should of shot these protesters too, aggressively yelling at cops, refusing to obey, and even assaulting an officer at one point....
But yeah let's keep defending the type of people who are so careless and ignorant they end up throwing a flashbang in a babies crib (putting him in a medically induced coma) for an alleged $50 drug deal... Oh yeah then they refuse to pay for the nearly $1 million hospital bill.
As soon as good officers start turning in these crooked cops (without being motivated by facing charges themselves) I'll start believing they exist in any significant number. But so long as they stay silent while these abuses transpire I don't believe it.
On August 21 2014 01:55 Wolfstan wrote: I think you are confused, you can't choose to be white or black. You can choose to be wealthy or poor, a drug addict or not.
I wonder why not everyone chooses to be really rich then! The 19th century called, they want their definition of personal freedom back.
It's not like a lot of them don't even have the money in the first place to get education, healthcare, or as if a lot of them don't even grew up in functional families, I guess they're all just incredibly bad at decision-making.
And yes, most people are born wealthy or poor. Some individuals are self made millionaires or billionaires,great for them, but most people will end up in a similar position as their parents.
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