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On July 02 2014 05:42 MstrJinbo wrote:It's a 401k plan. Following the paper trail on where the money ends up is a fun exercise for reporters but not something most people think about. It's probably plausible Hobby Lobby just didn't know.
They also buy and sell billions of stuff produced in China. As we all know China is especially opressive when it comes to child policies and religious freedom. But maybe Hobby Lobby doesn't know! Someone better tell them!
(btw. China had more than 330 mil. abortions over the last 4 decades)
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On July 02 2014 05:42 MstrJinbo wrote:It's a 401k plan. Following the paper trail on where the money ends up is a fun exercise for reporters but not something most people think about. It's probably plausible Hobby Lobby just didn't know.
They have at least known for months, that is not even close to being a legitimate explanation, particularly at this point.
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On July 02 2014 05:46 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 05:42 MstrJinbo wrote:It's a 401k plan. Following the paper trail on where the money ends up is a fun exercise for reporters but not something most people think about. It's probably plausible Hobby Lobby just didn't know. They also buy and sell billions of stuff produced in China. As we all know China is especially opressive when it comes to child policies and religious freedom. But maybe Hobby Lobby doesn't know! Someone better tell them!
Meh, I don't what your fixation is on proving hypocracy is all about. But ok you win, everybody with an iphone is supporting human rights abuses in china. You happy?
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On July 02 2014 05:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 05:42 MstrJinbo wrote:It's a 401k plan. Following the paper trail on where the money ends up is a fun exercise for reporters but not something most people think about. It's probably plausible Hobby Lobby just didn't know. They have at least known for months, that is not even close to being a legitimate explanation, particularly at this point.
It's 401K money so Hobby Lobby may not view it as their own money being used to fund those things.
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On July 02 2014 05:53 MstrJinbo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 05:46 Nyxisto wrote:On July 02 2014 05:42 MstrJinbo wrote:It's a 401k plan. Following the paper trail on where the money ends up is a fun exercise for reporters but not something most people think about. It's probably plausible Hobby Lobby just didn't know. They also buy and sell billions of stuff produced in China. As we all know China is especially opressive when it comes to child policies and religious freedom. But maybe Hobby Lobby doesn't know! Someone better tell them! Meh, I don't what your fixation is on proving hypocracy is all about. But ok you win, everybody with an iphone is supporting human rights abuses in china. You happy?
Apple does try to get suppliers to comply with labor standards, fwiw.
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Also Apple does not tell their employees how they have to spend their healthcare based on religious values, so I don't see how the comparison is relevant
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On July 02 2014 05:55 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 05:53 MstrJinbo wrote:On July 02 2014 05:46 Nyxisto wrote:On July 02 2014 05:42 MstrJinbo wrote:It's a 401k plan. Following the paper trail on where the money ends up is a fun exercise for reporters but not something most people think about. It's probably plausible Hobby Lobby just didn't know. They also buy and sell billions of stuff produced in China. As we all know China is especially opressive when it comes to child policies and religious freedom. But maybe Hobby Lobby doesn't know! Someone better tell them! Meh, I don't what your fixation is on proving hypocracy is all about. But ok you win, everybody with an iphone is supporting human rights abuses in china. You happy? Apple does try to get suppliers to comply with labor standards, fwiw.
Yeah. They should get some credit for that. For the most part I think it is unfair to demonize doing business in china with everything bad that happens there. Apple handles the issue as well as anyone.
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On July 02 2014 05:55 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 05:53 MstrJinbo wrote:On July 02 2014 05:46 Nyxisto wrote:On July 02 2014 05:42 MstrJinbo wrote:It's a 401k plan. Following the paper trail on where the money ends up is a fun exercise for reporters but not something most people think about. It's probably plausible Hobby Lobby just didn't know. They also buy and sell billions of stuff produced in China. As we all know China is especially opressive when it comes to child policies and religious freedom. But maybe Hobby Lobby doesn't know! Someone better tell them! Meh, I don't what your fixation is on proving hypocracy is all about. But ok you win, everybody with an iphone is supporting human rights abuses in china. You happy? Apple does try to get suppliers to comply with labor standards, fwiw.
also apple engaged in a wage fixing cartel to fuck their workers.
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On July 02 2014 06:31 nunez wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 05:55 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On July 02 2014 05:53 MstrJinbo wrote:On July 02 2014 05:46 Nyxisto wrote:On July 02 2014 05:42 MstrJinbo wrote:It's a 401k plan. Following the paper trail on where the money ends up is a fun exercise for reporters but not something most people think about. It's probably plausible Hobby Lobby just didn't know. They also buy and sell billions of stuff produced in China. As we all know China is especially opressive when it comes to child policies and religious freedom. But maybe Hobby Lobby doesn't know! Someone better tell them! Meh, I don't what your fixation is on proving hypocracy is all about. But ok you win, everybody with an iphone is supporting human rights abuses in china. You happy? Apple does try to get suppliers to comply with labor standards, fwiw. also apple engaged in a wage fixing cartel to fuck their workers.
If you're not trying to fuck over your workers you're basically a communist.
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On July 02 2014 06:31 nunez wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 05:55 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On July 02 2014 05:53 MstrJinbo wrote:On July 02 2014 05:46 Nyxisto wrote:On July 02 2014 05:42 MstrJinbo wrote:It's a 401k plan. Following the paper trail on where the money ends up is a fun exercise for reporters but not something most people think about. It's probably plausible Hobby Lobby just didn't know. They also buy and sell billions of stuff produced in China. As we all know China is especially opressive when it comes to child policies and religious freedom. But maybe Hobby Lobby doesn't know! Someone better tell them! Meh, I don't what your fixation is on proving hypocracy is all about. But ok you win, everybody with an iphone is supporting human rights abuses in china. You happy? Apple does try to get suppliers to comply with labor standards, fwiw. also apple engaged in a wage fixing cartel to fuck their workers.
Those tech companies were caught and punished iirc.
Ironically many on the left wish those same tech workers were fucked even harder.
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On July 02 2014 07:12 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 06:31 nunez wrote:On July 02 2014 05:55 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On July 02 2014 05:53 MstrJinbo wrote:On July 02 2014 05:46 Nyxisto wrote:On July 02 2014 05:42 MstrJinbo wrote:It's a 401k plan. Following the paper trail on where the money ends up is a fun exercise for reporters but not something most people think about. It's probably plausible Hobby Lobby just didn't know. They also buy and sell billions of stuff produced in China. As we all know China is especially opressive when it comes to child policies and religious freedom. But maybe Hobby Lobby doesn't know! Someone better tell them! Meh, I don't what your fixation is on proving hypocracy is all about. But ok you win, everybody with an iphone is supporting human rights abuses in china. You happy? Apple does try to get suppliers to comply with labor standards, fwiw. also apple engaged in a wage fixing cartel to fuck their workers. Those tech companies were caught and punished iirc. Ironically many on the left wish those same tech workers were fucked even harder.
You don't recall correctly... Unless you count getting caught stealing (wage theft/whatever you want to call it) then agreeing to give most of the money back minus legal fees for the person who has been forced to file suit (~10-30%) while maintaining you never stole it in the first place as being "punished". Not to mention all they have to do is not write it in E-mails like noobs and they can just go right back to doing it, except now they know exactly what not to do if they don't want to get caught.
Plenty of people who may have been affected by situations like this often never join the suit so they don't get calculated in the payoff and corporations and the people who decided to do whatever needed 'settling' still get to pocket those ill gotten gains. Let alone if they just never get provably caught.
But yeah, I suppose if that's your idea of a punishment, you do recall correctly...
I'm sure there are a lot of people in prison who would of loved to just given back what they took after they got caught and have a lawyer write up a plea that said they never did anything wrong.
If that's punishment we could be saving a lot of money on prisons. Even more if we work it the same way for possession. Just give it up and you never have to admit to having it in the first place.
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Things are getting ever weirder in Mississippi.
The latest broadside in the tea party's long-shot effort to overturn Sen. Thad Cochran's (R-MS) primary runoff win over state Sen. Chris McDaniel (R) is a claim by an obscure conservative blogger that Cochran's campaign bought African-Americans' votes at $15 a pop.
The claim is centered on a report by blogger Charles C. Johnson, who reported at his website GotNews.com that African-American activist Stevie Fielder brought "hundreds or even thousands" of African-Americans to vote for Cochran. Johnson alleges that Fielder motivated the voters by calling McDaniel a racist. Johnson identifies Fielder as a pastor at the First Missionary Baptist Church in Meridian, Mississippi, located in Lauderdale County, but a deacon at the church told the Clarion-Ledger that Fielder is not a pastor there and is instead a "self-proclaimed minister."
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On July 02 2014 07:43 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 07:12 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On July 02 2014 06:31 nunez wrote:On July 02 2014 05:55 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On July 02 2014 05:53 MstrJinbo wrote:On July 02 2014 05:46 Nyxisto wrote:On July 02 2014 05:42 MstrJinbo wrote:It's a 401k plan. Following the paper trail on where the money ends up is a fun exercise for reporters but not something most people think about. It's probably plausible Hobby Lobby just didn't know. They also buy and sell billions of stuff produced in China. As we all know China is especially opressive when it comes to child policies and religious freedom. But maybe Hobby Lobby doesn't know! Someone better tell them! Meh, I don't what your fixation is on proving hypocracy is all about. But ok you win, everybody with an iphone is supporting human rights abuses in china. You happy? Apple does try to get suppliers to comply with labor standards, fwiw. also apple engaged in a wage fixing cartel to fuck their workers. Those tech companies were caught and punished iirc. Ironically many on the left wish those same tech workers were fucked even harder. You don't recall correctly... Unless you count getting caught stealing (wage theft/whatever you want to call it) then agreeing to give most of the money back minus legal fees for the person who has been forced to file suit (~10-30%) while maintaining you never stole it in the first place as being "punished". Not to mention all they have to do is not write it in E-mails like noobs and they can just go right back to doing it, except now they know exactly what not to do if they don't want to get caught. Plenty of people who may have been affected by situations like this often never join the suit so they don't get calculated in the payoff and corporations and the people who decided to do whatever needed 'settling' still get to pocket those ill gotten gains. Let alone if they just never get provably caught. But yeah, I suppose if that's your idea of a punishment, you do recall correctly... I'm sure there are a lot of people in prison who would of loved to just given back what they took after they got caught and have a lawyer write up a plea that said they never did anything wrong. If that's punishment we could be saving a lot of money on prisons. Even more if we work it the same way for possession. Just give it up and you never have to admit to having it in the first place.
Oh ok, so they've only been hit with civil suits so far. Thanks. I assume Obama's admin. will file criminal charges if they can get the evidence together.
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On July 01 2014 23:54 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 16:56 BillGates wrote:
Anyone else familiar with the Alex Jones radio show? Just found out that show few weeks ago and that guy is so well researched and knowledgeable, one of the rare Americans that actually knows which planet he is on.
I agree with 90% of his deep analysis and information, I think some of the details may be different and stuff, but the overall geo-strategy analysis is spot on.
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"Jones has been the center of many controversies, including his controversial statements about gun control in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. He has accused the U.S. government of being involved in the Oklahoma City bombing, the September 11 attacks, the filming of fake Moon landings to hide NASA's secret technology and the killing of "thousands of astronauts". He believes that government and big business have colluded to create a New World Order through "manufactured economic crises, sophisticated surveillance tech and—above all—inside-job terror attacks that fuel exploitable hysteria". Jones describes himself as a libertarian and a paleoconservative"
If Wikipedia didn't make all of this up that guy is probably the most ridiculous person in the United States.(along with the Republican lady two posts above) edit: Also, Hobby Lobby still covers Vasectomies and Viagra
As I said I may disagree with some of the finer points and details, but I think he is overall spot on. I mean from official documents that have been released through the courts and from official documents that have been declassified and shown in congress we know that the administration at the very least knew about 9/11 and terrorists planing on carrying out terrorism with planes and didn't do anything about it. We now know thanks to declassified documents that Saudi Arabia rulers funded and supported most, if not all of the terrorists on 9/11. And again 16 of the terrorists were Saudis and this was known from the start, yet they invaded 2 countries that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.
So now we have it in official documents through the courts and congress that 9/11 could and should have been prevented and that the administration knew about the attack in advance. Whether they allowed the attack to happen, whether they were incompetent, whether they were actively engaged in the attack, etc... doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things.
And there is a push as well to destroy the second amendment of the constitution, whether you believe in free speech and right to own and bear arms, its bad for someone to be trying to destroy the first or second amendment of the constitution, that is basically a reminder that the people have these inherit rights and the government isn't allowed to try and take them.
And the military industrial complex, the super rich and powerful, the political elite has used the minor and insignificant threat of terrorism(whether real or manufactured) to take away rights and spy and control on the US population and use that data and power for their own benefits, there is no doubt about that.
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On July 02 2014 09:18 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 07:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 02 2014 07:12 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On July 02 2014 06:31 nunez wrote:On July 02 2014 05:55 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On July 02 2014 05:53 MstrJinbo wrote:On July 02 2014 05:46 Nyxisto wrote:On July 02 2014 05:42 MstrJinbo wrote:It's a 401k plan. Following the paper trail on where the money ends up is a fun exercise for reporters but not something most people think about. It's probably plausible Hobby Lobby just didn't know. They also buy and sell billions of stuff produced in China. As we all know China is especially opressive when it comes to child policies and religious freedom. But maybe Hobby Lobby doesn't know! Someone better tell them! Meh, I don't what your fixation is on proving hypocracy is all about. But ok you win, everybody with an iphone is supporting human rights abuses in china. You happy? Apple does try to get suppliers to comply with labor standards, fwiw. also apple engaged in a wage fixing cartel to fuck their workers. Those tech companies were caught and punished iirc. Ironically many on the left wish those same tech workers were fucked even harder. You don't recall correctly... Unless you count getting caught stealing (wage theft/whatever you want to call it) then agreeing to give most of the money back minus legal fees for the person who has been forced to file suit (~10-30%) while maintaining you never stole it in the first place as being "punished". Not to mention all they have to do is not write it in E-mails like noobs and they can just go right back to doing it, except now they know exactly what not to do if they don't want to get caught. Plenty of people who may have been affected by situations like this often never join the suit so they don't get calculated in the payoff and corporations and the people who decided to do whatever needed 'settling' still get to pocket those ill gotten gains. Let alone if they just never get provably caught. But yeah, I suppose if that's your idea of a punishment, you do recall correctly... I'm sure there are a lot of people in prison who would of loved to just given back what they took after they got caught and have a lawyer write up a plea that said they never did anything wrong. If that's punishment we could be saving a lot of money on prisons. Even more if we work it the same way for possession. Just give it up and you never have to admit to having it in the first place. Oh ok, so they've only been hit with civil suits so far. Thanks. I assume Obama's admin. will file criminal charges if they can get the evidence together.
If they left enough for criminal charges anyone incriminated by said evidence should of already been fired/replaced just for incompetence alone. I mean first rule is don't get caught and if you get caught you better be able to make it go away with a settlement at or below how much you made off your shady deals.
Any O&G or Financial CEO knows that.
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Want to get in on the Colorado green rush? If you're a resident of the state, you finally can.
Starting Tuesday, for the first time, any adult Colorado resident can apply for a retail marijuana business license.
This marks a significant shift in the state's groundbreaking recreational marijuana laws, which first went into effect exactly six months ago on Jan. 1. Since then, only owners of medical marijuana businesses who were in "good standing" with the state have been allowed to apply for retail marijuana licenses. Now, any adult who has established residency in the state can apply for a marijuana business license.
"This is an obvious next step in the development of this legal industry," Mason Tvert, communications director at the Marijuana Policy Project and a key backer of Amendment 64, the measure that legalized marijuana for adult use in Colorado in 2012, told The Huffington Post. "New craft breweries and distilleries are frequently being established here in Colorado, and this is really no different. Existing marijuana businesses are demonstrating a commitment to following the laws and making this system work, and we expect new businesses to do the same. Colorado has demonstrated that regulating marijuana works."
The Denver Post's John Ingold first reported that as of mid-June, nearly 300 people had filed notices that they intend to apply for a retail marijuana license. It remains unclear how many of the applicants intend to start cultivation companies, how many are interested in opening storefronts and how many want to explore other aspects of the retail marijuana industry.
Natriece Bryant, spokeswoman for the Colorado Department of Revenue's Marijuana Enforcement Division -- the agency charged with regulating the state's burgeoning industry -- told HuffPost that a handful of applicants, including one for a retail marijuana cultivation business and two for retail marijuana testing facilities, have already moved on to the next stage of the approval process.
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On July 02 2014 14:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +Want to get in on the Colorado green rush? If you're a resident of the state, you finally can.
Starting Tuesday, for the first time, any adult Colorado resident can apply for a retail marijuana business license.
This marks a significant shift in the state's groundbreaking recreational marijuana laws, which first went into effect exactly six months ago on Jan. 1. Since then, only owners of medical marijuana businesses who were in "good standing" with the state have been allowed to apply for retail marijuana licenses. Now, any adult who has established residency in the state can apply for a marijuana business license.
"This is an obvious next step in the development of this legal industry," Mason Tvert, communications director at the Marijuana Policy Project and a key backer of Amendment 64, the measure that legalized marijuana for adult use in Colorado in 2012, told The Huffington Post. "New craft breweries and distilleries are frequently being established here in Colorado, and this is really no different. Existing marijuana businesses are demonstrating a commitment to following the laws and making this system work, and we expect new businesses to do the same. Colorado has demonstrated that regulating marijuana works."
The Denver Post's John Ingold first reported that as of mid-June, nearly 300 people had filed notices that they intend to apply for a retail marijuana license. It remains unclear how many of the applicants intend to start cultivation companies, how many are interested in opening storefronts and how many want to explore other aspects of the retail marijuana industry.
Natriece Bryant, spokeswoman for the Colorado Department of Revenue's Marijuana Enforcement Division -- the agency charged with regulating the state's burgeoning industry -- told HuffPost that a handful of applicants, including one for a retail marijuana cultivation business and two for retail marijuana testing facilities, have already moved on to the next stage of the approval process. Source
I hope that goes well there. If it does Washington is next!
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On July 01 2014 23:54 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 16:56 BillGates wrote:
Anyone else familiar with the Alex Jones radio show? Just found out that show few weeks ago and that guy is so well researched and knowledgeable, one of the rare Americans that actually knows which planet he is on.
I agree with 90% of his deep analysis and information, I think some of the details may be different and stuff, but the overall geo-strategy analysis is spot on.
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"Jones has been the center of many controversies, including his controversial statements about gun control in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. He has accused the U.S. government of being involved in the Oklahoma City bombing, the September 11 attacks, the filming of fake Moon landings to hide NASA's secret technology and the killing of "thousands of astronauts". He believes that government and big business have colluded to create a New World Order through "manufactured economic crises, sophisticated surveillance tech and—above all—inside-job terror attacks that fuel exploitable hysteria". Jones describes himself as a libertarian and a paleoconservative"
If Wikipedia didn't make all of this up that guy is probably the most ridiculous person in the United States.(along with the Republican lady two posts above) edit: Also, Hobby Lobby still covers Vasectomies and Viagra
To be fair, Christianity not only has no problems with cutting your dick, they encourage it!
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Was the Hobby Lobby case ever forced to go to mediation?
Looking at the stances of both sides; it seems like mediation would have been the best solution (difficult if people are trying to make a test case, but if the judge makes it clear that any party not taking mediation seriously is going to get ruled against).
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