EPTI hope that everyone who thinks TL people have "above average" intelligence, take a good look at this thread.
Terrorism and 9/11 - Page 2
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
I hope that everyone who thinks TL people have "above average" intelligence, take a good look at this thread. | ||
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On September 12 2012 04:00 GizmoPT wrote: you are the one living in a fabricated society think outside the box i simply like to know how stuff works and not simply accepting what im told Honestly though people who buy into the controlled demolition theories are quite dumb. | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
On September 12 2012 04:06 Shiragaku wrote: If I were you, I would put all that energy into trying to stop the wars caused by 9/11. to stop the wars you've to stop the cause.. tell the US and the UN to mind their own business and leave the other countries alone | ||
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
On September 12 2012 03:55 Noak wrote: Yeah the whole terror thing is being blown out of proportion by those who benefit from it, that much i think everyone can agree with. Anything less is just blind patriotism. The more suprising thing is how everyone was so suprised that it happened. Is the American people severly uninformed about their past and recent international actions? The betrayal of the United states to the al-Quaeda was obviously big enough to generate generations of pure hatred. For those who are clueless+ Show Spoiler + al-Quaeda was created and trained in Pakistan during the cold war to combat the Sovjet. When the war was over they were abandoned and USA went to support India who was having long time hostilities with Pakistan, obviously al-Quada went bonkers on the USA hate. (not the whole story but you can prolly read up on it somewhere). Well don't forget we, US, supplied and armed them against the Russians in Syria.. Anyway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods#Reaction US is a goody goody nation that won't consider the use of terror? | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On September 12 2012 04:07 zalz wrote: Tinfoils ruin everything. I hope that everyone who thinks TL people have "above average" intelligence, take a good look at this thread. Sadly I'm inclined to agree, that this thread even remains up is a huge discredit to the intellectual capacity of the forum. Such silly illogic at play. | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On September 12 2012 04:07 zalz wrote: Tinfoils ruin everything. I hope that everyone who thinks TL people have "above average" intelligence, take a good look at this thread. Well, the thing is, TL posts do have above average intelligence. . .it's just that average intelligence is. . .well, not great. | ||
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Murlox
France1699 Posts
This gave legitimacy to Bush and allowed him to go for oil. This made the WTC owner rich. This purged the CIA annoying files. I really don't believe any investigation will come and prove anything in the next decade, if ever. It's too big. One can't go and ultimately conclude the State was implied in killing its own citizens. I'm being very cynical though, and I do believe that's exactly what happened. A curious thing, in France, any public debate occuring on the matter can't... actually occur. The whole journalist crew will begin to call people name "theoristist, plotist" (don't know those words in english). They won't let them talk. I've seen basically every french public shows on that matter, and it's always like that : a big passionate mess, where the journalists suddenly become lawyers of the official version and will defend only that side with their very life it seems. Very interesting to look at. They won't even let the people they invited, talk. I find this, among the weird facts (and BS...) we've all heard about, to be a very curious reaction. No debate can occur in peace about that topic. And we're not even directly concerned by anything, we're in freaking France ! And the people invited are miles from implying anything, they just wanted to talk about their "doubts". Anyway, to me, this general reaction from the media does scream conspiracy. | ||
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LazerApe
Sweden206 Posts
On September 12 2012 04:10 NEEDZMOAR wrote: uuuugh.... so full of cake and cnady... how do you guys celebrate 9/11? I had choclate cake with raspberry sauce, delicous. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
On September 12 2012 04:12 Murlox wrote: My personal opinion on the matter is that the WTC incident was planned, staged by the US government and the owner of the towers, with the support of some media. This gave legitimacy to Bush and allowed him to go for oil. This made the WTC owner rich. This purged the CIA annoying files. I really don't believe any investigation will come and prove anything in the next decade, if ever. It's too big. One can't go and ultimately conclude the State was implied in killing its own citizens. I'm being very cynical though, and I do believe that's exactly what happened. A curious thing, in France, any public debate occuring on the matter can't... actually occur. The whole journalist crew will begin to call people name "theoristist, plotist" (don't know those words in english). They won't let them talk. I've seen basically every french public shows on that matter, and it's always like that : a big passionate mess, where the journalists always are on the official version side, and for some reason will try to enforce that view as if it was their own life or something. They won't let the people they invited, talk. I find this, among the weird facts (and BS...) we've all heard about, to be a very curious reaction. No debate can occur in peace about that topic. To me, this is exactly the behaviour of someone that has something to hide. ye dude dont question the mainstream media or you are a crazy dumb conspiracy theorist lol http://www.thedailysheeple.com/meet-amber-lyon-former-reporter-exposes-massive-censorship-at-cnn_092012 | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On September 12 2012 04:05 CaptainCrush wrote: What if you were one of those who was going to die in the bomb blast? I agree with the other guy, and to me, you seem like an ostrich sticking his head in the sand because he is afraid to acknowledge the evils that exist in this world. And to the others who insinuate that this whole thing was made up/ executed by America in order to further some other sort of agenda is damn-near the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life. if i was gonna die? well, i guess shit happens. everyone dies, so why on earth would i be so cowardly as to murder someone in some ridiculous attempt to prolong my own life? i think it is very foolish to let evil have it's way simply because you're afraid to die. i think that would be far more comparable to an ostrich sticking its head in the sand. | ||
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schmeebs
United States115 Posts
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DebtSC2
United States20 Posts
On September 12 2012 04:07 zalz wrote: Tinfoils ruin everything. I hope that everyone who thinks TL people have "above average" intelligence, take a good look at this thread. Right, obviously anyone that doesn't believe the 9/11 story issued by an administration financially supported by and composed of people who gained great wealth through the wars it was used to justify, anyone who doesn't blindly accept what that administration and what Popular Mechanics, a magazine primarily funded by advertisements bought by defense contractors, said, must be a COMPLETE IDIOT. I have a thrice-tested IQ of 145 and it's absolutely asinine to not question the official story of 9/11. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
You guys are the ones that is destroying the leftist movement (and libertarian to some extent) by yourself. Calling other people gullible and spoon fed when you guys seem to worship a cult like figure whether it is Peter Joseph or Ron Paul. I agree that the government benefited from 9/11 as well as most of the world. I agree it was predictable. I agree that it is used as propaganda. But for the love of god, please do not derail yourselves. | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On September 12 2012 04:14 sc2superfan101 wrote: if i was gonna die? well, i guess shit happens. everyone dies, so why on earth would i be so cowardly as to murder someone in some ridiculous attempt to prolong my own life? i think it is very foolish to let evil have it's way simply because you're afraid to die. i think that would be far more comparable to an ostrich sticking its head in the sand. This is a stupid argument, if instead of a nice mother and kids it was a fat rapist your decision would change? Well in the blas tthere could be hundreds of families just like that maybe its family day. Ends almost always should justify the means, if I had to kill 3 people to save thousands it wouldn't put past me although I would try to save the 3000 and the 3 if the decision came down to it I would do as needed. That being said if I could offer my own life in place, I may have some contemplating to do because I'm no hero but I think I would kill myself to save thousands of people but then the question arises what about hundreds? How much are you willing to sacrifice? I dunno it's all debatable personally I would though. On September 12 2012 04:18 Shiragaku wrote: Oh...so many Zeitgeist sheep... You guys are the ones that is destroying the leftist movement (and libertarian to some extent) by yourself. Calling other people gullible and spoon fed when you guys seem to worship a cult like figure whether it is Peter Joseph or Ron Paul. There are extremists on each side. All I want is for a justifiable investigation to be placed on 9/11. Do I think it was terrorists or do I think it was a bomb? I've seen enough arguments on each side to have no real correlated response to that but I want to say that I feel like it is odd that a justifiable look into the events has yet to come up. I think we're all educated enough to understand the 9/11 commission was not suficient in any way shape or form. So I guess I admit I am ignorant in to the matter but I think to many people "know" everything, whether it is that it was an inside job or the terrorists had to do it etc. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On September 12 2012 03:59 DeepElemBlues wrote: What giant influx of terrorism activities? Muslim terrorists are fighting Muslim governments more than they're fighting us these days. Also asymmetrical warfare targets military. Driving a two-ton truck full of high explosives into a market and blowing it up because it's a Shiite market or a Sunni market is not asymmetrical warfare or getting revenge on the occupiers, it's a war crime. http://www.tbd.com/blogs/capital-insider/2012/04/terrorism-from-africa-to-latin-america-a-growing-problem-15292.html Sounds like standard government boilerplate to me. South America has been a "growing" terrorism spot for the last ten years and it's never really grown into a real problem. Western Africa is a growing problem because the governments are (mostly) weak and that's the last place they have to run to, the Middle East and Pakistan and Afghanistan aren't the safest places to operate anymore. Eastern Africa was a growing problem until Ethiopia and Kenya and Uganda and the other countries with half-decent governments there started seriously fighting it. They used to do a lot of polling of Arabs / Muslims but they seem to not do so much recently: http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/terrorism-down-as-support-for-alqaeda-drops-report/2008/05/23/1211183060445.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism True facts, but the irony of this is the Mideast is becoming more and more Islamified. Even formerly strictly-secular Mideastern nations like Iraq and nowadays Egypt are becoming more and more socially and politically Islamic. If you want to find a strict secular country in the Mideast / N. Africa nowadays, you're pretty much looking at Tunisia, Lebanon (both small and relatively uninfluential nations), Turkey (which is somewhat aloof from Arab affairs), and Israel (which practically hates everyone in the Mideast and vice versa). The clincher is Egypt. Egypt is the media center of the Arab world, and even beyond. If the Muslim Brotherhood ever gains ACTUAL power (the military still holds most of it) and does what they like with political influence and media, you can color the Mideast one big Islamofascist bulwark.. although it's already heading in that direction. | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On September 12 2012 04:19 NeMeSiS3 wrote: This is a stupid argument, if instead of a nice mother and kids it was a fat rapist your decision would change? Well in the blas tthere could be hundreds of families just like that maybe its family day. Ends almost always should justify the means, if I had to kill 3 people to save thousands it wouldn't put past me although I would try to save the 3000 and the 3 if the decision came down to it I would do as needed. That being said if I could offer my own life in place, I may have some contemplating to do because I'm no hero but I think I would kill myself to save thousands of people but then the question arises what about hundreds? How much are you willing to sacrifice? I dunno it's all debatable personally I would though. 1) i would never trust a terrorist, so even if it was a "fat rapist", i wouldn't be putting blood on my hands. 2) even "fat rapists" don't deserve to be murdered in cold blood. furthermore, the ends NEVER justify the means, in my opinion (and in the opinion of most of human society). to capitulate and murder one person in some misguided attempt to save thousands or millions would just prove that you can be used by any threat of violence. assuming such a ridiculous scenario actually existed, you would have taken all choice out of your actions. after you've killed a family, what if they ask you to kill another one? what if they ask you to blow up 1,000 people to save 1,000,000? what if we take a ridiculous scenario to its extreme and say that they've asked you to kill 49% of the population in order to save the other 51%? human lives and their value cannot be boiled down to a simple numbers game, which is why you will see thousands of people risking their lives to save 1 lost hiker. | ||
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Young Terran
United Kingdom265 Posts
On September 12 2012 04:04 NeMeSiS3 wrote: This is a really poor example but I couldn't think of a better one so I apologize for the offense this will surely bring but it is the best comparison I could make knowledge of history. A lot of people have condemned Germans (the people not the party) as horrible horrible people for allowing the NAZI party attempt to exterminate an entire race of people and not standing up against it but the people quite possibly didn't have all of the information, many stated they had no idea about the camps and when propaganda comes into play you get "Jews aren't human" "muslims are terrorists" it dehumanizes people. So no I'm not saying America or the West are on the same level as the Third Reich, but I am saying that it has comparable traits such as blind faith by the people etc. I mean hell I'm pretty pro-muslim in the sense I have no bias against them but after getting it drilled into my head for years I still get this "sense" everytime I see one in the back of my head and then I throw it aside and say in my head how I'm being a bigot. So kinda to close I think people follow blindly becaucse they're conditioned like a herd of cattle to do so, it isn't exactly their fault. Also "milgram experiment" look it up, people do crazy things when authority commands it. People do serious shit Yes but it is just depressing when i think about the things that go on in the world people say there wars in Afghanistan and iraq and what not but if you actually see whats going on its not a "War" at all its a slaughter i know this doesnt directly explain thigns about 9/11 but there all connected tbh. | ||
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